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We have many threads on DP about Clinton; this isn't one of them.

Why do you think Nunes is trump's lap dog as trump's surrogate and continues to refuse to share with Schiff what he has already shared with the trump/Bannon cabal ?

Thats the curious thing, isnt it? THE FBI said mrs. Clinton did break the law, and Obama admin chose not to prosecute.
Meanwhile, the FBI said there was nothing to this collusion story yet the Obama admin chose to double down on investigating it.
Why is that?
 
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Both Comey and Clapper have both said they saw no evidence of collusion. Nothing has changed.

Let me ask you something: Why did the Obama Admin continue to double down on investigation, even after the FBI said there was nothing to see?

Did you miss Monday with Comey and Rogers ?
 
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Hillary is not the topic of this thread and you are not the only trump/Bannon poster to stumble like this .

I am sorry. You had indicated elsewhere on this thread that you were an American first and a Democrat second.
 
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We have many threads on DP about Clinton; this isn't one of them.

Why do you think Nunes is trump's lap dog as trump's surrogate and continues to refuse to share with Schiff what he has already shared with the trump/Bannon cabal ?

Beats me. Why was Obama (Admin) still investigating Trump (campaign, transition) even after the FBI et.al was saying there there was nothing there?
 
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Beats me. Why was Obama (Admin) still investigating Trump (campaign, transition) even after the FBI et.al was saying there there was nothing there?

He (they) weren't. You think Obama ordered a private agency to watch Trump's transition team? This is why Trump is President. People like you believe anything. At least people who voted for Hillary disliked her.
 
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He (they) weren't. You think Obama ordered a private agency to watch Trump's transition team? This is why Trump is President. People like you believe anything. At least people who voted for Hillary disliked her.

Sorry-- but you cant have it both ways.
Either the Obama Administration was investigating the GOP candidate for president, and then the president elect, or it wasnt.
If the latter, then its time to move-- no collusion.
If it was (and it was), they damm well better have had their ducks in a row. Thus far, they havent shown that they have any ducks.
 
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You should pay attention to 2017 polls, not those from 2009 which are now meaningless.

1. 161 of 210 GOP amendments were passed into ACA. 2. Four GOP planks were included in ACA. 3. DEMs did not include the public option as a cave to GOPs.

GOPs purposely obstructed and sabotaged for 8 years. The new CBO score is much worse because of bribes to house members like the Buffalo Bribe. Concessions to the Freedom Circus will cost the Tuesday Group. The GOP civil war is back.

I believe USA Congressmen should vote for what's best for America, not their parochial interests for getting reelected. I wish the GOP nothing but the worst after their actions the last 8 years to hurt my country.

There will be a vote tomorrow.

Price's seat is up for grabs in your state .

Trump has said he wants the vote tomorrow and if it goes down to defeat, he is through with health care. Good. I hope it goes down to defeat so the Democrats can continue to own this albatross around their neck. As insurance companies pull out the the exchanges, there will be a bunch of states with no choice, some with just one and others with no insurance company at all. A fitting end for something the American people said they didn't want and was forced upon them only because it was a Democratic political agenda.

When the health law hurts about twice as many people that it helps, something the Democrats ignore completely as they don't care one iota. All they care about it their political agenda, not the American people.

https://www.aol.com/article/news/20...th-insurance-companies-is-completel/21714204/

With Aetna, Blue Cross, United pulling out of a lot of states along now with Humana, the writing is on the wall.

Aetna, UnitedHealth pulling out of Obamacare, leaving customers with fewer options - Washington Times


Competition from multiple insurers was supposed to be a key to the reforms, but customers in nearly 1,000 counties won’t have any choice of provider, the nonpartisan Kaiser Family Foundation estimated — affecting some 2.3 million people.

Then are now counties like Pina in Arizona which have no insurance company at all.
 
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Trump has said he wants the vote tomorrow and if it goes down to defeat, he is through with health care. Good. I hope it goes down to defeat so the Democrats can continue to own this albatross around their neck. As insurance companies pull out the the exchanges, there will be a bunch of states with no choice, some with just one and others with no insurance company at all. A fitting end for something the American people said they didn't want and was forced upon them only because it was a Democratic political agenda.

When the health law hurts about twice as many people that it helps, something the Democrats ignore completely as they don't care one iota. All they care about it their political agenda, not the American people.

How are those American people feeling about ACA right about now compared to trumpcare?

By all means, try blaming the minority party for GOPs not having a plan after opposing ACA for political reasons for 8 years.

I see you're ignoring the 161 GOP amendments and 4 GOP planks in ACA.

Since you want DEMs to suffer, you've shown your true GOP partisan colors.

The people who will suffer from GOP incompetence will be trump voters, as it should be.

I'm so glad to see GOPs fighting with each other and in trouble at home .
 
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Sorry-- but you cant have it both ways.
Either the Obama Administration was investigating the GOP candidate for president, and then the president elect, or it wasnt.
If the latter, then its time to move-- no collusion.
If it was (and it was), they damm well better have had their ducks in a row. Thus far, they havent shown that they have any ducks.

You feel for trump's tweets too ?
 
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You feel for trump's tweets too ?

Look--I understand the problem: The Obama Administration investigating the Republican candidate for president and subsequently the president elect, is, as VP Biden once said in another context, 'A big f###ing deal.'
 
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Deny ,deny ,deny ! :lol:

Yes, and you are doing it so well. But that's what you usually do. Like Trump, you can't make an honest statement and think pointing to the shiny object will cause the smart people to not see the lies and denial. I forgive you though. I don't think anything else is in your range of capabilities.
 
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Hillary is not the topic of this thread and you are not the only trump/Bannon poster to stumble like this .

No, your double standard and lies are. Trump as a private citizen is accused of having ties to Russia but Clinton violating the law doesn't concern you. Your hatred for Trump has you ignoring the Clinton ACTUAL violations to try and create one for Trump. Still waiting for the law that prevented a private citizen from meeting with a foreign government and what collusion could have possibly taken place?? How you coming on apologizing for claiming that Tillerson was not attending the NATO summit to go to Russia?
 
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How are those American people feeling about ACA right about now compared to trumpcare?

By all means, try blaming the minority party for GOPs not having a plan after opposing ACA for political reasons for 8 years.

I see you're ignoring the 161 GOP amendments and 4 GOP planks in ACA.

Since you want DEMs to suffer, you've shown your true GOP partisan colors.

The people who will suffer from GOP incompetence will be trump voters, as it should be.

I'm so glad to see GOPs fighting with each other and in trouble at home .

I have been anti-Obamacare from the get go. If you think that makes me a Republican, so be it. Since the American people originally said by a huge margin they didn't want this albatross and the Democrats told them to eat sand. Sure the Democrats deserved the results of the 2010 election. Obamacare was the elites in Washington D.C. telling the American people they knew what was best for them, that the American people were stupid and dumb and had no idea what was good or bad for them. Hence Obamacare.

For that I do think the Democrats deserve to suffer and suffer big time. I hope this repeal and replace goes down to defeat because the Republican Representatives don't march in lock step with their party and president, that they listen to the folks back home unlike the Democrats back in 2009 and 2010. The Democrats just goosed stepped to passage not caring one iota about how those they represented felt. A pure example of party over people.

You're going to have every Democrat voting against repeal and replace. If that is what the folks in every Democratic representative district wants, I'm fine with that. But if there are some districts where the people feel the other way, then the Democratic representative should vote for passage. I am sick and tired of all the loyalty to party, for the good of the party and not caring about what the people think or want or wish for. The same applies to the Republicans, each should vote for the people of their district, not for their political party or president. To heck with Trump.

And yes, I am still peeved to the max that our two major political parties nominated two candidates that over 60% of all Americans didn't want to be their next president. Like Obamacare, for me that is unforgiveable. We have this idiot Trump, this egotistical opportunist, this numb skull as president because the dumb butt cracked Democrats choose their nominee prior to the 2012 election.

The Democrats got what they deserve, a Trump presidency, the rest of us didn't. But don't worry, the Democrats because of Trump will win back the House in 2018 because the GOP was idiots in nominating this__________fill in the black with any derogatory word you wish. Heck, even though the numbers in the senate, those up for re-election say it is almost impossible for the Democrats to take it back, I would say they have a real shot at it. Personally, I want the Dems to win at least one of the chambers in 2018, which one is irrelevant. But we do need check and balance on which ever party holds the white house.

It also did my heart good at seeing Reid's nuclear option used against him and the Dems during the nomination process. 51 is a lot different than 60 in giving advice and consent. Now we have mob rule in the senate because of Reid's nuclear option. But that is exactly what the Democrats wanted.

I suppose the bottom line is I will always be anti-Obamacare because that was political party agenda triumphing the will of the people. But I would like to see tradition returned to the senate prior to Reid's use of the nuclear option. That will never happen, it will be expanded big time to where the senate becomes just like the House of Representatives, no minority party rights. I will also never forgive either political party for nominating whom they both did. If that makes me a Republican in your eyes, so be it. I have been called much worse. I do lean right in quite a lot of things, but left in others. But unlike most people on this site, I make up my mind on the issues one issue at a time and I don't let either political party or any president tell me what to think or what stance to take on the issues. Way too many do. I heard the term mind numb robots, that applies to the followers of both major political party.
 
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That's exactly what this almost certainly is, a counter PR move.

Any over under bets on how many wrong declarations the anti-Trumpers will need to believe and have discredited before they stop running to every Democrat dog whistle?
 
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He (they) weren't. You think Obama ordered a private agency to watch Trump's transition team? This is why Trump is President. People like you believe anything. At least people who voted for Hillary disliked her.

People who voted for Trump disliked him too. They just disliked Hillary more.
 
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I have been anti-Obamacare from the get go. If you think that makes me a Republican, so be it. Since the American people originally said by a huge margin they didn't want this albatross and the Democrats told them to eat sand. Sure the Democrats deserved the results of the 2010 election. Obamacare was the elites in Washington D.C. telling the American people they knew what was best for them, that the American people were stupid and dumb and had no idea what was good or bad for them. Hence Obamacare.

For that I do think the Democrats deserve to suffer and suffer big time. I hope this repeal and replace goes down to defeat because the Republican Representatives don't march in lock step with their party and president, that they listen to the folks back home unlike the Democrats back in 2009 and 2010. The Democrats just goosed stepped to passage not caring one iota about how those they represented felt. A pure example of party over people.

You're going to have every Democrat voting against repeal and replace. If that is what the folks in every Democratic representative district wants, I'm fine with that. But if there are some districts where the people feel the other way, then the Democratic representative should vote for passage. I am sick and tired of all the loyalty to party, for the good of the party and not caring about what the people think or want or wish for. The same applies to the Republicans, each should vote for the people of their district, not for their political party or president. To heck with Trump.

And yes, I am still peeved to the max that our two major political parties nominated two candidates that over 60% of all Americans didn't want to be their next president. Like Obamacare, for me that is unforgiveable. We have this idiot Trump, this egotistical opportunist, this numb skull as president because the dumb butt cracked Democrats choose their nominee prior to the 2012 election.

The Democrats got what they deserve, a Trump presidency, the rest of us didn't. But don't worry, the Democrats because of Trump will win back the House in 2018 because the GOP was idiots in nominating this__________fill in the black with any derogatory word you wish. Heck, even though the numbers in the senate, those up for re-election say it is almost impossible for the Democrats to take it back, I would say they have a real shot at it. Personally, I want the Dems to win at least one of the chambers in 2018, which one is irrelevant. But we do need check and balance on which ever party holds the white house.

It also did my heart good at seeing Reid's nuclear option used against him and the Dems during the nomination process. 51 is a lot different than 60 in giving advice and consent. Now we have mob rule in the senate because of Reid's nuclear option. But that is exactly what the Democrats wanted.

I suppose the bottom line is I will always be anti-Obamacare because that was political party agenda triumphing the will of the people. But I would like to see tradition returned to the senate prior to Reid's use of the nuclear option. That will never happen, it will be expanded big time to where the senate becomes just like the House of Representatives, no minority party rights. I will also never forgive either political party for nominating whom they both did. If that makes me a Republican in your eyes, so be it. I have been called much worse. I do lean right in quite a lot of things, but left in others. But unlike most people on this site, I make up my mind on the issues one issue at a time and I don't let either political party or any president tell me what to think or what stance to take on the issues. Way too many do. I heard the term mind numb robots, that applies to the followers of both major political party.

:applaud
 
Re: Schiff: There is now 'more than circumstantial evidence' of Trump-Russia collusio

If these ****ers have evidence that Trump manipulated the election, has ties to Russian money laundering, or committed a criminal act then it needs to come out right ****ing now. This trickle bull**** isn't helping anything.

IMO this is the best display ever of the crowd admiring the Emperor's New Clothes. The indoctrinated mob in action. Even after all these years, it's still amazing to watch. We are so damn brainwashed.
 
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Take a look at the events this week... Manafort, Comey's testimony, now Schiff. This is the lead up to the Trump administration taking a long walk off a short plank. :hitsfan:

Again more wishful thinking....You, and others need to cool your jets until more comes out.
 
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Any over under bets on how many wrong declarations the anti-Trumpers will need to believe and have discredited before they stop running to every Democrat dog whistle?

My God....might better ask us how many stars in the universe.
 
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Any over under bets on how many wrong declarations the anti-Trumpers will need to believe and have discredited before they stop running to every Democrat dog whistle?

No, but remember too that I think they will get their man, all they need is one good story to drive an impeachment. Remember too that the elite would much rather talk about getting rid of Trump than they would their failures that lead to Trump, almost no one is talking about that, not even here at DP.
 
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No, but remember too that I think they will get their man, all they need is one good story to drive an impeachment. Remember too that the elite would much rather talk about getting rid of Trump than they would their failures that lead to Trump, almost no on is talking about that, not even here at DP.

No, they would need solid evidence. Clinton was impeached because it was clear he lied under oath. Johnson violated a clear law on cabinet dismissals. The idea that impeachment only needs a juicy story flies in the face of history and the law.
 
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No, they would need solid evidence. Clinton was impeached because it was clear he lied under oath. Johnson violated a clear law on cabinet dismissals. The idea that impeachment only needs a juicy story flies in the face of history and the law.

Intel testifying would be like crime labs and "expert witnesses" testifying, and we all know how much they lie right?

"Solid evidence" can be and often is manufactured.
 
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