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Devin Nunes: Trump Communications ‘Incidentally’ Collected By Intelligence Agencies

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rocket88 said:
The timing makes this a much different story. Trump's original story is that Obama ordered it for political purposes. What we find out is that it was done legally and after the election.
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Read the Atlantic article I linked to a few posts up. We didn't really "find out" much of anything, actually.
 
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Beaudreaux said:
That's rich -- this coming from a guy that has never seen an action taken by any Democrat that he didn't like and didn't support completely. Pot meet kettle. Schiff's a hack.
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Nunes was a member of trump's transition team.

The fact he briefed trump about this shows a conflict of interest.
 
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Beaudreaux said:
I don't give a crap what Trump supporters say.
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Then why are you putting so much effort into talking about what Trump supporters are saying?
This thread is about Nunes and what he found out, and what he reported today. And yeah, since the guy that is the topic of the thread said the exact opposite of what you said... He said Trump wasn't wiretapped two days after Trump made that idiotic tweet, and he said it three times on the air that I saw just today.
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No, the thread is about what Nunes *SAYS* he found out. Just because he says something, that does not mean it is true.
 
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Cardinal said:
For the record, Nunes doesn't seem to be saying much of anything concrete at all. He says just enough to let Trump supporters think they heard a confirmation of Trump's claims without actually saying anything truly tangible. Attempting to shift the discussion from the revelation that the Trump campaign is under criminal investigation by the FBI seems to have been exclusively the purpose, which worked about as well as you can see.

Trump and Co. have a knack for distracting the public's attention away from a bad thing and toward a much worse thing instead, which invariably ends up making the first thing much, much worse.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...-nuness-bombshell-does-and-doesnt-say/520455/
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What I heard him say was pretty definitive:

1) there was data collected during normal and legal surveillance operations under FISA authority, and;
2) part of that data included intercepted conversations with Trump Transition Team members (he actually said twice today that I heard, that Trump was named in the unmasking along with others), and;
3) that someone (unknown who) authorized the names of US citizens to be "unmasked" in the transcripts, and;
4) the names and conversation data were included in Intelligence Reports circulated within the Executive Branch Intelligence Community (the IC we've been hearing about lately). and'
5) that same information with unmasked names and intercepted conversation data was provided to the White House staff, and possibly to the President (Obama at that time), and;
6) that this could very well be a violation of the 4th Amendment protections of those unmasked that had their names shared in the Intelligence Reports, and;
7) that this could also be a felony violation of the US Code.
 
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Beaudreaux said:
What I heard him say was pretty definitive:

1) there was data collected during normal and legal surveillance operations under FISA authority, and;
2) part of that data included intercepted conversations with Trump Transition Team members (he actually said twice today that I heard, that Trump was named in the unmasking along with others), and;
3) that someone (unknown who) authorized the names of US citizens to be "unmasked" in the transcripts, and;
4) the names and conversation data were included in Intelligence Reports circulated within the Executive Branch Intelligence Community (the IC we've been hearing about lately). and'
5) that same information with unmasked names and intercepted conversation data was provided to the White House staff, and possibly to the President (Obama at that time), and;
6) that this could very well be a violation of the 4th Amendment protections of those unmasked that had their names shared in the Intelligence Reports, and;
7) that this could also be a felony violation of the US Code.
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What Nunes says offers nothing of tangibility and isn't worth horse piss anyway. His actions in funneling intelligence to Trump in spite of being on the transition team, a chair of the House Intelligence Committee and sitting on an independent investigation means his credibility is shot to hell and back. The issue here isn't the validity of his worthless comments, but how quickly he's removed from his position and an independent counsel is assigned to take up the investigation into the Trump Campaign and Russia. The conflicts of interest and violations of ethics are mind blowing.
 
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sangha said:
Then why are you putting so much effort into talking about what Trump supporters are saying?
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That would be you talking about Trump supporters. Again, I was referring to Nunes.


sangha said:
No, the thread is about what Nunes *SAYS* he found out. Just because he says something, that does not mean it is true.
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You gotta be kidding me? The man gave two separate press conferences as well as gave a one on one interview with Jake Tapper on CNN that I saw, where he discussed this in more detail than I thought he probably should given the sources and methods and that this is (or was) classified, probably at TS/CSI. He's either freaking nuts for making up such an easily verifiable story if it's not true, or he's telling the truth. So technically, you're correct, that just because he says something doesn't make it true, but damn dude...
 
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Captain Adverse said:
1. Representative Schiff (not Senator).

2. Democrat alleging partisanship. :roll:

3. Does not deny the statement's of Representative Nune's other than to focus on "wiretapping" did not occur. Surveillance does not just include wiretapping.

4. FISA warrants are "lawful."

5. Incidental collection of American calls while "masked" can be "unmasked" and this does not mean this information was not leaked during the time we were hearing all these "leaks" people were crowing about over the first three months after Trump had been elected.

6. As he admits, an investigation will let us know what happened. I will wait to see.
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And Nunes said what he talked about today had nothing to do with the Russia investigation so Schiff is just pissed he got scooped and wasn't prepared to counter.
This is quite a show.
Remember Adam Schiff from Law & Order? He was the DA.
That was a great show too.
But that cast seemed to care about the law more than these jokers.
 
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sangha said:
Except for the fact that Trump supporters ARE saying that Nunes has proven that Trump WAS wiretapped.


But I guess it was silly of me to say that Trump supporters are saying that simply because Trump supporters are saying that. You really popped that bubble. :roll:
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Even Nunes admitted today that this does not change the findings of the FBI regarding the Trump tweets. So anybody who uses this to claim otherwise is simply LYING or mentally delusional.
 
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Cardinal said:
What Nunes says offers nothing of tangibility and isn't worth horse piss anyway. His actions in funneling intelligence to Trump in spite of being on the transition team, a chair of the House Intelligence Committee and sitting on an independent investigation means his credibility is shot to hell and back. The issue here isn't the validity of his worthless comments, but how quickly he's removed from his position and an independent counsel is assigned to take up the investigation into the Trump Campaign and Russia. The conflicts of interest and violations of ethics are mind blowing.
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Fine. No need to discuss this any further then, since it's not worth horse piss.

END OF THREAD.

































Oh, wait... Russia, Russia, Russia.

Now we can end it.
 
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Beaudreaux said:
That would be you talking about Trump supporters. Again, I was referring to Nunes.


You gotta be kidding me? The man gave two separate press conferences as well as gave a one on one interview with Jake Tapper on CNN that I saw, where he discussed this in more detail than I thought he probably should given the sources and methods and that this is (or was) classified, probably at TS/CSI. He's either freaking nuts for making up such an easily verifiable story if it's not true, or he's telling the truth. So technically, you're correct, that just because he says something doesn't make it true, but damn dude...
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Nunes was a member of trump's transition team

He is a trump supporter for crying out loud!
 
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The Democrat Party wants an "Independent Investigation" for one reason ... to drag this thing out forever.
 
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haymarket said:
Even Nunes admitted today that this does not change the findings of the FBI regarding the Trump tweets. So anybody who uses this to claim otherwise is simply LYING or mentally delusional.
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You and Cardinal keep saying people are trying to say Trump was right with his idiotic "wiretapping" tweet. Who is doing that? DP members? I haven't read every post in this thread, but by the way you two guys are harping on it, I'd of thought that every other post would be a "told you so" post by some Trump supporter, but I haven't seen them?

Oh, and by the way, Nunes said that Trump was wrong the second day after that idiotic tweet came out, and in a thread back then about it that asked what Trump should do, I said that he should apologize to Obama, apologize to the American people, and shut his damned twitter account off.
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
This needs to be outside of congress, independent of everything.
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There's no such animal. Everything and everyone is politicize.
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
Nunes was a member of trump's transition team

He is a trump supporter for crying out loud!
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For being a Trump supporter, he sure as hell unapologetically threw Trump straight under the bus right after Trump tweeted that Obama had wiretapped Trump Tower. The man has integrity. Show me where Schiff (chose him because he's Nunes counterpart on the Intel Committee) ever said anything similar about any of the actions that Obama took that were either overturned by the SCOTUS (many in 9-0 rulings) or when Obama executed US citizens without giving them a trial, or so on? Just one. There may be one or more. I just haven't ever heard one.
 
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Cardinal said:
What Nunes says offers nothing of tangibility and isn't worth horse piss anyway. His actions in funneling intelligence to Trump in spite of being on the transition team, a chair of the House Intelligence Committee and sitting on an independent investigation means his credibility is shot to hell and back. The issue here isn't the validity of his worthless comments, but how quickly he's removed from his position and an independent counsel is assigned to take up the investigation into the Trump Campaign and Russia. The conflicts of interest and violations of ethics are mind blowing.
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You sound like Rachel Maddow looked on election night.
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
Nunes was a member of trump's transition team.

The fact he briefed trump about this shows a conflict of interest.
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He did us a favor in showing who he really is loyal to and serves. Nunes takes us closer to a Select Committee or Special Prosecutor. And that is a very good thing.
 
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bubbabgone said:
The Democrat Party wants an "Independent Investigation" for one reason ... to drag this thing out forever.
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Greetings, bubba. :2wave:

:agree: Since high-ranking members of both parties are on the House Intelligence Committee, what good will it do to form another committee and call it "independent," which seems to be a waste of time, since all members already get the exact same information? :confused:
 
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polgara said:
Greetings, bubba. :2wave:

:agree: Since high-ranking members of both parties are on the House Intelligence Committee, what good will it do to form another committee and call it "independent," which seems to be a waste of time, since all members already get the exact same information? :confused:
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They could get someone from the outside like, oh I dunno, Eric Holder.
That/he is a joke.
 
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haymarket said:
He did us a favor in showing who he really is loyal to and serves. Nunes takes us closer to a Select Committee or Special Prosecutor. And that is a very good thing.
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When the Republican Chairman of the Senate Committee on Armed Services publicly states that Congress has now officially lost all credibility as a result of Nunes' actions, that should tell people that what Nunes did is more than casually outside the norms of acceptable behavior.
 
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bubbabgone said:
They could get someone from the outside like, oh I dunno, Eric Holder.
That/he is a joke.
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And I understood it as exactly that! :mrgreen: What I find interesting is that when Comey said that Hillary may have made "mistakes" in the handling of e-mail information, he felt it was "unintentional" and would not pursue it further, the shouts of glee from the Dems were deafening. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, though, they insist that there should be an "Independent Investigation" on the Russian story because of the possible involvement of Trump or his team interfering with the election - which has already been practically debunked - implying that the FBI is now suddenly incapable of doing its job! :cuckoo:
 
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Beaudreaux said:
That would be you talking about Trump supporters. Again, I was referring to Nunes.
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In the quote (below), you refer to what Trump supporters are saying
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Kinda pops that "Trumps supporters say that Trump *was* wiretapped" balloon, or at least it should.
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Note how you are denying that Trump supporters are saying that, even though they are


You gotta be kidding me? The man gave two separate press conferences as well as gave a one on one interview with Jake Tapper on CNN that I saw, where he discussed this in more detail than I thought he probably should given the sources and methods and that this is (or was) classified, probably at TS/CSI. He's either freaking nuts for making up such an easily verifiable story if it's not true, or he's telling the truth. So technically, you're correct, that just because he says something doesn't make it true, but damn dude...
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Not only am I technically correct, but there is a wealth of information that suggests he should not be believed

PS - Giving lots of details is what liars often do and giving press conferences is no sign of honesty. Both Clinton and Nixon gave plenty of press conferences and they were both frequent liars
 
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Beaudreaux said:
You and Cardinal keep saying people are trying to say Trump was right with his idiotic "wiretapping" tweet. Who is doing that? DP members? I haven't read every post in this thread, but by the way you two guys are harping on it, I'd of thought that every other post would be a "told you so" post by some Trump supporter, but I haven't seen them?
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How about the right wing media?
Nunes 'Unmasking' Report Vindicates Trump Claims on Surveillance - Breitbart

Not good enough?
How about The President?
Trump Says He Feels '''Somewhat''' Vindicated by

PS - see post 38
 
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