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House Intel chairman: Trump's personal communications may have been collected

austrianecon said:
Yes, Kobie, it's actually illegal for US Government to use that information against an American. FISA rules require any American caught up talking to a foreign nation to be written out of all reports of conversations by replacing them with terms like Person A or so on. Any action against an American for warrants has to come from regular courts.

It's why what happen to Michael Flynn is a crime. Or even any talking about Trump and associates involved with Russia because it violated terms of FISA.
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Wrong
https://lawfareblog.com/treatment-flynns-phone-calls-complies-fisa-minimization-procedures
 
Kobie said:
Your words, not mine.
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Using a FISA warrant to gather information on an American citizen is illegal. Why are you trying to argue that it isn't?
 
apdst said:
We know General Flynn was illegally surveilled.
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We also know Flynn was a foreign agent.....and heads up, the same is going to be said of Paul Manafort.
 
Kobie said:
That's not what apdst was claiming. He was somehow implying it makes the surveillance itself retroactively illegal. I'm aware of the proper redaction protocol from FISA reports; problem is, we simply don't know how the information got from point A to point B.
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I am not defending him.. but explaining it correctly. We know it came from NSA and got to FBI and Congress which means it went on high up.
 
apdst said:
IOW, you made that comment up to illustrate your opinion?
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I hadn't. The initial article had that verbatim. At least part of it is still there, though it does seem to have changed since previous. Perchance I should screen shot instead of just copy and paste.

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Ikari said:
I hadn't. The initial article had that verbatim. At least part of it is still there, though it does seem to have changed since previous. Perchance I should screen shot instead of just copy and paste.

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Sure! :lamo

It looks like you just flatout lied.
 
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apdst said:
Sure! :lamo

It looks like you just flatout lied.
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I hadn't, though you are free to believe as you like. It was a copy and paste job. I pasted the second quote, this is the first.

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Kobie said:
Why do you continue to spout such flagrant and obvious lies?
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He was illegally spied on. Beware of the people you read who has motives to defend this position of it was illegal. David Kris does a bait and switch on most of his arguments.
 
austrianecon said:
David Kris has long argued for EXPANSION of FISA against Americans. He has a wide interpretation of the law. In he was one that argued what NSA did with AT&T and other phone companies was legal. Notice if you read at the bottom of the article.. the rules are clearly laid out but he expands them to fit his view. Flynn was not an incumbent nor even picked for a position at the time of the conversations.
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If you think you have a case, I suggest you go represent Flynn. I'm sure after his being an agent for Turkey quiets down, you will find a sympathetic Judge....somewhere.
 
Ikari said:
I hadn't, though you are free to believe as you like. It was a copy and paste job.
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Just saying how it looks there, buddy. Pigeonholing sucks...don't it?
 
apdst said:
Sure! :lamo

It looks like you just flatout lied.
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So this is what I said

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This is what was written in the article

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Which is as I posted.

Going to apologize now?
 
Kobie said:
Why do you continue to spout such flagrant and obvious lies?
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Whether he was surveilled or not legally is immaterial to that fact that his name was unmasked illegally.

Actually a felony. My first guess would be Ben Rhodes. May he rest in federal prison if found guilty. May he be free to felonize again if not.
 
apdst said:
Just saying how it looks there, buddy. Pigeonholing sucks...don't it?
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No, it's as I had stated, perchance you should fact check before spouting off. Of course, so should Trump, lol.
 
Ikari said:
No, it's as I had stated, perchance you should fact check before spouting off. Of course, so should Trump, lol.
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Fact check something that doesn't exist? I'll have to try that sometime. :lamo
 
Ikari said:
So this is what I said

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This is what was written in the article

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Which is as I posted.

Going to apologize now?
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On the phrasing of the word wiretapping. Note this is the press's word and quoted later.

"the practice of connecting a listening device to a telephone line to secretly monitor a conversation."

Are there still rotary phones around? I would say no to that as well and be able to pass a lie detector.

That does not speak to those under the obama adminstration (wittingly or not) surveilling the campaign. Which is what happened.

The literalists are really getting killed over this.
 
apdst said:
Fact check something that doesn't exist? I'll have to try that sometime. :lamo
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I provided the screen shots that back up my quotes.

I get it, you tried to spout off without doublechecking first. I posted the screenshots that showed I wasn't lying. If you want to be a man about it, you'd admit you misspoke and jumped the gun. But hey, it's America, you don't have to be a man about it if you don't want to be. Whatever floats your boat.
 
apdst said:
You probably photoshopped it. You've already been caught in one lie. Why should we believe you, now?
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Stretching pretty far, it's all part of the original link, you can double check it if you'd like. I've done my due diligence. You can be a man and own up to your mistake, or you can keep scraping for excuses. Your call.
 
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