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House Intel chairman: Trump's personal communications may have been collected

sangha said:
I see you can not accept the fact that wiretapping a phone is different than recording a person-to-person conversation

I accept your surrender
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Idiot argument, as usual. Soo Trump used an outdated form of monitoring to indicate he and his associates were under surveillance. I'll bet there's no such thing as "wiretapping" literally, now. It's all done with far superior technology. But you keep pushing your stupidity if it makes you feel good.

As for surrender - you're right - I usually tire of your trolling about now.
 
Visbek said:
Long story short:

Target is a foreign citizen, and abroad = no warrant needed
Target is in the US = FISA warrant needed
American calls someone abroad = no warrant needed
American calls someone who is already a target with a FISA warrant = no warrant needed

The names of Americans are supposed to be sealed internally. There's a process for "unmasking" Americans caught by incidental collection.

When the time comes for this administration to leave, the exact same type of surveillance will be run on the incoming transition team.

It is entirely plausible Nunes is doing this to help Trump save face.
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Thanks much for the breakdown here, Visbek.

I've found your posts to be accurate and informative, enough so that for now I'll take this info at face value unless a reason comes to not.

Thanks again.
 
Chomsky said:
Sounds like Trump's team was caught in incidental communications, and Nunes is giving Trump fodder to spin his "wiretap" story.

The fact that Nune met privately with Bannon and Trump is extremely troubling to me, and smells badly. What did he share with them? Why did he go around the committee?

There's a reason the Trump communication was caught - it met some legal or suspicious parameter. Nunes in effect just informed the subjects of that collection how to avoid it, and perhaps revealed the data in it! WTF?
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Bannon was there? I missed that.
 
Chomsky said:
Exactly.

The real question is: What is Nunes doing here?
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I mean, being a ****ing, brown-nosing sycophant by the looks of it. Why, is there a credible, competing explanation?
 
Chomsky said:
From the messenger (Nunes) himself (in the OP):

"This is a normal, incidental collection, based on what I could collect," Nunes said. "This appears to be all legally collected foreign intelligence under" the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act."
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Oh NOW you'll believe Nunes?
 
Chomsky said:
Jesus!

Schiff is now saying the committee has to legally press the chairman (Nunes) to get the info he's privately holding and has given Trump! Nunes won't share his intelligence with the committee!

Marone!

If this ain't a cover-up, what is?

Seriously, what else could explain Nune's actions?

I'm at a loss!
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If Nunes has nothing to hide on the trump circle and himself, why would he not take Schiff with him?

Nunes is in a CD that isn't that safe.

No evidence to back up claims by comrade Nunes .
 
Ikari said:
House intel chairman: Trump personal communications may have been collected - CNNPolitics.com





Not quite a smoking gun, in fact, it's rather vague and doesn't speak to the wiretapping claim Trump has been backing down from the past week. But it's possible, that maybe, a little of Trump's communications had been captured. Maybe.
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Oh, those snoop agencies are definitely monitoring every and anyone they please. Between satellite imaging and data mining they can follow someones every step. The problem is 'how' does the gov admit it without starting another ****storm in the Press about Constitutional rights to privacy.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Idiot argument, as usual. Soo Trump used an outdated form of monitoring to indicate he and his associates were under surveillance. I'll bet there's no such thing as "wiretapping" literally, now. It's all done with far superior technology.
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Umm, no. Wiretapping still exists. Like a True Trumpster, you have to pretend that Trump did not mean wiretapping when he tweeted about being wiretapped.

Just like Trump does not mean he grabs womens ******s when he said he grabs womens ******s. Just like he did not mean Germany owes the US vast sums when he said Germany owes the US vast sums. And just like he did not mean he would make sure everyone was covered under his health plan when he said he would make sure everyone was covered under his health plan
 
Visbek said:
And as I said the gist of Trump's assertion is NOT accurate.

This is not about him fudging the details. He explicitly accused Obama of directly ordering illegal surveillance on the Trump campaign shortly before the election. That didn't happen.

What's happening is that his transition staffers were contacting foreigners, and got caught by incidental surveillance. Obama didn't order it. It's all legal. The transition staffers were not the target. No surveillance was run on the Trump organization. It happened after the election.

It had nothing to do with the conspiracy theories promulgated via Breitbart or Fox News. It wasn't run by GCHQ.



Your analogy is flawed.

Lets put it in terms you might understand, okay? Joe is a friend of mine, and a drug dealer. The police are tapping his phones and monitoring his emails. Joe has his own house, I have mine. I call Joe several times a week, from my house or my cell. Our conversations are monitored, recorded, transcribed, and distributed to the investigators.

I'm not the one under surveillance. The police aren't tapping my phones, or monitoring all of my communications. My calls to Joe are being caught as incidental surveillance.



Try again.

Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my "wires tapped" in Trump Tower just before the victory. Nothing found. This is McCarthyism!

Is it legal for a sitting President to be "wire tapping" a race for president prior to an election? Turned down by court earlier. A NEW LOW!

I'd bet a good lawyer could make a great case out of the fact that President Obama was tapping my phones in October, just prior to Election!

How low has President Obama gone to tapp my phones during the very sacred election process. This is Nixon/Watergate. Bad (or sick) guy!

Emphasis added. Yes, Trump claimed that Obama ordered that Trump's own phones be tapped, before the election.
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When the FBI comes out and says that the exact same thing was done during the Obama transition - conversations between Obama, his associates, and foreign entities - I'll believe there's nothing to it, just SOP. If it was, wouldn't the FBI and others have said so by now?
 
sangha said:
Umm, no. Wiretapping still exists. Like a True Trumpster, you have to pretend that Trump did not mean wiretapping when he tweeted about being wiretapped.

Just like Trump does not mean he grabs womens ******s when he said he grabs womens ******s. Just like he did not mean Germany owes the US vast sums when he said Germany owes the US vast sums. And just like he did not mean he would make sure everyone was covered under his health plan when he said he would make sure everyone was covered under his health plan
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Yawn - calling me a "True Trumpster" just shows how ignorant you are.

And now, say goodnight Gracie.
 
Taylor said:
NIMBY/Bannon knows not of what he speaks.
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Says Taylor: NIMBY/Bannon knows not of what he speaks.

Thank you for vindicating I'm on the right track, Taylor.

Why are you afraid of defending your dear leader chaos Leninist Bannon ?
 
NIMBY said:
Nunes is history, either with his Califirnia election or before .
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LOL - everything is so dramatic with you these days. Get a grip - this is just politics as blood sport - nothing new here at all.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Delusional nonsense
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CanadaJohn: Delusional Nonsense

NIMBY: trump's constitutional crisis is in a death spiral.

Canadian politics would not put up with Nunes being a trump surrogate .
 
CanadaJohn said:
LOL - everything is so dramatic with you these days. Get a grip - this is just politics as blood sport - nothing new here at all.
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This is Watergate on steroids and you and the rest of the GOP trump/Bannonites on DP know it .
 
grip said:
Oh, those snoop agencies are definitely monitoring every and anyone they please. Between satellite imaging and data mining they can follow someones every step. The problem is 'how' does the gov admit it without starting another ****storm in the Press about Constitutional rights to privacy.
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Why would the press give a ****? This sort of Big Brother monitoring and surveillance is known. They don't make a stink less it gets ratings. Decade+ in the making, but no one gives a **** less they can spin it into some dumbass partisan nonsense.

Look at the people here now complaining about the Surveillance State now that Trump got caught up. How many opposed Real ID, opposed the unprecedented growth of NSA, oppose the vast majority of government Big Brother behavior? 1/5? 1/10?

Just partisan asshatery as per usual. Ain't none of these folk have consistently and integrity of argument.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Maybe nimby is not the one blinded by partisan loyalties.
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I was in college during Watergate.

trump missed the war my older friends went to and were forever damaged by.

This has the smell of the 1970s when our USA was forever divided .
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Incidental collection isn't the issue, the issue is that someone unmasked his name (Flynn) for political purposes, which is really, really bad.
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When someone in the executive branch is masquerading as an American is it not every patriots duty to unmask him?
 
NIMBY said:
I was in college during Watergate.

trump missed the war my older friends went to and were forever damaged by.

This has the smell of the 1970s when our USA was forever divided .
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This needs a independent investigation: congress is compromised
 
Fearandloathing said:
There is something there. Trump has reversed so many time on Putin that there almost HAS to be something there...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VjpE3Z1-bw&t=65s

The fact we see tweets of distraction and bad behavior whenever questions arise about his relationship with Putin. No one can watch the above video and come away with a anything coherent.

In fact despite several direct challenges, the only replies I've received have been accusations that I "hate" Trump...usually from people who plastered me with "likes" when I took on Obama and opined on the wicked witch Hillary
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Think about this:

A Trump ally and member of his transition team (Nunes) chairs the investigating committee targeting the President, his campaign, and his team. The ally then withholds documents from the committee, and proceeds to have a private meeting with the target of the investigation (Trump) to give him a private briefing! Then the 2nd ranking member of the committee (Schiff) gives a press conference claiming not only is the chair ally withholding the info he kept secretive and only shared with the target, but states the committee needs to go through legal channels to get that very info because he won't share!

Now seriously Gonzo, how does this look to you?

What I think:

I can't say the Trump campaign was complicit or colluded with Putin to interfere in the election, but there likely is at least enough involvement with Russia on this or other matters that they perjured themselves or crossed lines they shouldn't have. Badly enough to invoke censure, or perhaps cause heads to roll.

And what we're seeing now is an administration and GOP in full-on cover-up mode!
 
Fearandloathing said:
Whoa there cowboy! You got the wrong cowpoke.

I never lost ANY elction, I never supported Hillary despite your narrow minded assertion that appears to be based on the fact I notice Trump lies all the time and his minions are EXCATLY like Hillary's.

Second, an unholy jump to conclusion friend, my beliefs now have NOTHING to do with what anything that was said by anyone even closely connected to the Democratic party.

you must be new or maybe blind, but for eight years I have been hammering at the Obama administration and I never once in any way have indicated that Hillary should never have been investigated. What my point has been is the Republicans are incompetent because they can't nail her.

But thank you for confirming that no one on the right can be believed. In a post where you try to make the point I'm wrong assume the entirely WRONG narrative based on nothing but my political criticisms. That does undermine trust in one's opinipn and in this case laughably

I challenge you to find ONE post that is in any way even remotely complimentary and I will leave this forum forever. If you can't you leave.
Accept the challenge?
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You know, I got you wrong, I remember you...


Other than the left wing hillary supporter, which I retract, my post stands.


And that your beliefs dont come from the democrat party, they kinda do. you are believing **** where there is no actual evidence, which is sung to you by left wing media.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
This needs a independent investigation: congress is compromised
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Yes---Nunes and Burr have already compromised themselves with their White House meeting a few weeks ago when they were given their surrogate marching orders to knock down the Russia stories with friendly reporters .
 
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