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Conservative House Republicans Say They Have Votes to Block Health Bill

The two-party system has lasted quite a long time, in part because of periodic alignments.

It's not like Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, or even Reagan would get elected as a Republican today.

The alternatives aren't much more stable. Multi-party systems and coalition governments aren't any better, and obviously single-party systems are a disaster.

I suggest you take a closer look at the parliamentary system. Like all systems it is imperfect, however having lived in both countries I can say that one, government is more approachable, open and honest. Cabinet ministers and the prime minister by law must answer all correspondence.

I have also seen that the parliamentary system is more versatile, bad governments can be removed far more easily...some have lasted as little as 100 days before the populace dumped them.

Trump for exampe might likely be facing a "confidence motion" which if he loses, he has to resign his government and face the electorate.

Just don't ask mew about our Senate.
 
GOP health care bill: Will it pass? The whip count
Republicans need 216 votes to win passage in the House. They can lose no more than 21. If they lose 22, there would likely be a 215 to 215 tie, which means the bill would fail.
Last Updated Mar 22, 2017 3:42 PM EDT
GOP health care bill: Will it pass? The whip count - CBS News
Reported by Catherine Reynolds, Rebecca Kaplan and Walt Cronkite
That's 27 who do NOT support at the moment.
They need to Butter and Toast 6 by tomorrow's vote.

They will "come home."
 
It really does not matter whether or not we like the two party system. Unless we were to go to a European type parliamentary system(not going to happen) the two party system is here to stay.

unfortunately, you're probably right. however, that's an argument for the reality of the system, not that is it optimal or even viable long term.

To be fair, there are multiple parties in the US, though there are just two dominant parties. In reality, we are under a two ideology system. And whichever two parties most successfully represent those two ideologies, conservatism and liberalism, will be the two dominant parties.In the last couple of decades, neither of the two main parties have represented their constituents, well. That is what led to the populist wave that elected Donald Trump and made Bernie Sanders such a thorn in Hillary Von Pantsuit's backside.

the duopoly is too firmly entrenched and gerrymandered for third parties to have any real impact. this could be addressed, but i doubt that it will happen within my lifetime.
 
Stranger things have happened

It looks like the bill may indeed pass by giving the Freedom Caucus its wish to eliminate the "Essential Health Benefits:"

Key to the deal, they report, are changes to the law that would eliminate the Affordable Care Act’s “essential health benefits,” a list of 10 categories of procedure that all insurance plans offered to individuals or small businesses must cover. The 10 are, in the words of Healthcare.gov:

  • Outpatient care without a hospital admission, known as ambulatory patient services
  • Emergency services
  • Hospitalization
  • Pregnancy, maternity, and newborn care
  • Mental health and substance use disorder services, including counseling and psychotherapy
  • Prescription drugs
  • Rehabilitative and habilitative services and devices, which help people with injuries and disabilities to recover
  • Laboratory services
  • Preventive care, wellness services, and chronic disease management
  • Pediatric services, including oral and vision care for children

The latest health care cut Republicans are weighing, explained - Vox

I really hate being right.
 
They will "come home."
I think you're right
Trump can't afford to lose Bill #1, but they may have to delete things like Maternity to sate the Right.
Some "honeymoon" this is for Trumpov & Comrades.

Why maternity and mental health coverage may decide health care bill's fate
By Tami Luhby
Updated 10:23 PM ET, Wed March 22, 2017
Why maternity & mental health coverage may decide the House GOP bill's fate - CNNPolitics.com

House GOP leaders are now looking to change an Obamacare provision that guarantees all health insurers cover services such as Maternity, Mental health and Prescription drugs, in hopes of wooing conservative lawmakers to their side....
Ivanka won't be happy about removing Maternity.
 
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And if the moderates bail?

Well, you're assuming that everybody even knows what's in the bill. These are last minute changes made overnight. Almost nobody has had a chance a to read the new bill and they're voting on it tomorrow.
 
Well, you're assuming that everybody even knows what's in the bill. These are last minute changes made overnight. Almost nobody has had a chance a to read the new bill and they're voting on it tomorrow.

Oh boy.

Wait til the GOP hears about this.

They really hate voting without knowing what's in a bill, if I recall correctly.


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It seems that now (under an 11th hour rewrite to placate the Freedom Caucus), people who are eligible for VA benefits will not be able to qualify for AHCA tax credits.

I wonder how many current and former military people are aware of this AHCA change?
 
It seems that now (under an 11th hour rewrite to placate the Freedom Caucus), people who are eligible for VA benefits will not be able to qualify for AHCA tax credits.

I wonder how many current and former military people are aware of this AHCA change?

This sure seems like a whole lot of effort just to lower the tax bills of the rich.

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Good luck.

I would rather they do it right then quick. All Obamacare-lite would do is let the democrat party off the hook. Obamacare is a disaster. As far as conservatives like myself are concerned, the real title of the bill in it's present form would be "Rinocare". It would be an improvement over Obamacare, however it would not really address the high cost of healthcare.
 
I suggest you take a closer look at the parliamentary system. Like all systems it is imperfect, however having lived in both countries I can say that one, government is more approachable, open and honest. Cabinet ministers and the prime minister by law must answer all correspondence.

I have also seen that the parliamentary system is more versatile, bad governments can be removed far more easily...some have lasted as little as 100 days before the populace dumped them.

Trump for exampe might likely be facing a "confidence motion" which if he loses, he has to resign his government and face the electorate.

Just don't ask mew about our Senate.

Term limits for both house of congress would fix the two dominant party system in the US. The real problem in the US is not who occupies the white house. It is the entrenched power in both houses of congress. That is also what leads to the vitriolic hatred between the two parties.
 
unfortunately, you're probably right. however, that's an argument for the reality of the system, not that is it optimal or even viable long term.



the duopoly is too firmly entrenched and gerrymandered for third parties to have any real impact. this could be addressed, but i doubt that it will happen within my lifetime.

Like I just expressed to F&L above...the real problem is the entrenched power in both houses of congress. Congressional term limits would fix what ails our so-called two party system.
 
Term limits for both house of congress would fix the two dominant party system in the US. The real problem in the US is not who occupies the white house. It is the entrenched power in both houses of congress. That is also what leads to the vitriolic hatred between the two parties.



I will take your word for that, but since Obama and now Trump, the nukes come out of the Oval Office
 
I will take your word for that, but since Obama and now Trump, the nukes come out of the Oval Office

However the 22nd amendment to the US Constitution set up term limits for presidents after president Franklin D Roosevelt was elected to 4 terms in office and died in office. If a US president violates his oath of office or commits high crimes, he/she can be impeached by the house of representatives and if convicted by the senate, thrown out of office.
 
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