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Conservative House Republicans Say They Have Votes to Block Health Bill

Conservative House Republicans Say They Have Votes to Block Health Bill
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they'll probably pass something. the pull of "do something, anything" is often too strong to resist.
 
NIMBY said:
Google the Buffalo Bribe .
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So if I understand this correctly, New York Representatives would be making New York City's suburbs pay for Medicaid for the rest of the state. And in return their constituents will still have the pleasure of losing their health insurance anyway. Un-****ing-believable.

These past two months have shown that the Republican Party has completed its transformation into an institution that has no business governing.
 
Helix said:
they'll probably pass something. the pull of "do something, anything" is often too strong to resist.
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Republicans:

1)Something must be passed.
2)This is something.
3)Ergo, this will be passed.
 
chromium said:
That's pretty hilarious because the AHCA as proposed is already extremely conservative/inhumane. Apparently an extra 25 million uninsured isn't enough for them. What possible bill could these extremists put forth i wonder if up to them, just leave the disabled in a desert to die?
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Cardinal said:
So if I understand this correctly, New York Representatives would be making New York City's suburbs pay for Medicaid for the rest of the state. And in return their constituents will still have the pleasure of losing their health insurance anyway. Un-****ing-believable.
These past two months have shown that the Republican Party has completed its transformation into an institution that has no business governing.
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Our Nation only has an 8-year memory.

Imagine the state's rights party getting involved in the way just one state for now, New York, handles its Medicaid by helping to lower property taxes in GOP CDs.

The best part is that they haven't got 216 votes out of 430 so we'll be seeing more of these state's bribes .
 
The Buffalo Bribe is hilarious if you search it.

Helix said:
they'll probably pass something. the pull of "do something, anything" is often too strong to resist.
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Which faction do you think has more spine on philosophy, the Freedom Caucus on the right or the Berniecrats on the left.

I already know which one voted in a higher % in 2016 .
 
mbig said:
I don't get it.
If they hold out for total repeal, and throwing even more people off health care than Trump-Ryan-Care already does, they'll get slaughtered in the 2018 mid-terms, and a defeat would also further weaken Trump in future legislation they want, such as the Tax Cut.

Ryan, OTOH, is still confident of passage and sticking with a Thursday vote.
Looks like he's just being Squeezed by the Right and changes will move that way.
Perhaps aslo, Trumpov's low approval has opponents on all sides feeling their oats.
(Pence/No-One 2017, if Comey comes comes thru.)

Conservative House Republicans Say They Have Votes to Block Health Bill
House Freedom Caucus unswayed by proposed changes to legislation intended to gain more support
By KRISTINA PETERSON, NATALIE ANDREWS and STEPHANIE ARMOUR
Updated March 21, 2017 12:20 a.m. ET
https://www.wsj.com/articles/house-gop-leaders-move-to-tweak-health-care-bill-1490048076
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With all due respect, it is more important to get the bill right then just get it passed. if they pass the bill in it's present form and the cost of health insurance continues to go up through the 2018 midterms, they could get slaughtered. However if they get it right and include provisions that actually reduce the cost of healthcare through market forces, they will be rewarded in 2018. Ryan is attempting to sell us a bill of goods suggesting that what is not in the bill can be done administratively by HHS Secretary Price. That did not work out well for the Obama administration and it will not for Trump either.
 
NIMBY said:
The Buffalo Bribe is hilarious if you search it.



Which faction do you think has more spine on philosophy, the Freedom Caucus on the right or the Berniecrats on the left.

I already know which one voted in a higher % in 2016 .
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it's probably about equal. neither has any viable choice other than Republican or Democrat due to the design of our political system.
 
Visbek said:
You don't actually think the Freedom Caucus are rational, do you? :mrgreen:

They are extreme right-wingers, and they believe that their constituents want a total repeal of the ACA. All they care about is slashing the federal budget, even if doing so ultimately results in higher costs in other ways (e.g. worse health outcomes, more costly health issues etc)

Their constituents are also in the grips of the Great Paradox, where they fail to realize that they are largely voting against their own interests. Whether this will hold up when health care coverage is eviscerated, benefits lost, and premiums continue to increase, is not entirely clear.
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Not only is the freedom caucus rational, it is the biggest single reason the republicans took control of congress in 2010 to begin with. And no...they are not extreme right.
 
ObamacareFail said:
With all due respect, it is more important to get the bill right then just get it passed. if they pass the bill in it's present form and the cost of health insurance continues to go up through the 2018 midterms, they could get slaughtered. However if they get it right and include provisions that actually reduce the cost of healthcare through market forces, they will be rewarded in 2018. Ryan is attempting to sell us a bill of goods suggesting that what is not in the bill can be done administratively by HHS Secretary Price. That did not work out well for the Obama administration and it will not for Trump either.
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If it comes to it, will you be ready to change your username to "Trumpcarefail"?
 
Greenbeard said:
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I can't tell if this is what you want to do to calamity or if this is what you're saying will happen to the dead people...

Either way. Like.
 
chromium said:
That's pretty hilarious because the AHCA as proposed is already extremely conservative/inhumane. Apparently an extra 25 million uninsured isn't enough for them. What possible bill could these extremists put forth i wonder if up to them, just leave the disabled in a desert to die?
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Enough with that goofy partisan spin. Most of those alleged millions more who were insured under Obamacare cannot afford to take advantage of it due to the high premiums and deductibles.
 
Helix said:
they'll probably pass something. the pull of "do something, anything" is often too strong to resist.
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Hopefully it will not be "Obamacare-lite".
 
Helix said:
it's probably about equal. neither has any viable choice other than Republican or Democrat due to the design of our political system.
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In my opinion, the establishment two party system was sent a message in the 2016 election. They never saw the populist wave coming in either party. Time will tell if either of the two main parties learned anything from it.
 
Visbek said:
Many of those people also aren't paying much attention to the news, or patronize right-leaning news outlets like Fox. My guess is that they don't know much about the upcoming changes.
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This is probably true. They won't know the harm coming unto them until it hits.
 
ObamacareFail said:
In my opinion, the establishment two party system was sent a message in the 2016 election. They never saw the populist wave coming in either party. Time will tell if either of the two main parties learned anything from it.
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i see the two party system as a chapter in a yet to be written history book outlining why a two party system can't work and how we should have looked at the evidence and figured it out before it led to larger crises.
 
Helix said:
i see the two party system as a chapter in a yet to be written history book outlining why a two party system can't work and how we should have looked at the evidence and figured it out before it led to larger crises.
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The two-party system has lasted quite a long time, in part because of periodic alignments.

It's not like Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, or even Reagan would get elected as a Republican today.

The alternatives aren't much more stable. Multi-party systems and coalition governments aren't any better, and obviously single-party systems are a disaster.
 
Visbek said:
The two-party system has lasted quite a long time, in part because of periodic alignments.

It's not like Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, or even Reagan would get elected as a Republican today.

The alternatives aren't much more stable. Multi-party systems and coalition governments aren't any better, and obviously single-party systems are a disaster.
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my opinion is that we're still too tribal for a two team system to work well long term. just look at any internet forum or article comments section. it seems like there's some way that we could do it better.
 
mbig said:
I don't get it.
If they hold out for total repeal, and throwing even more people off health care than Trump-Ryan-Care already does, they'll get slaughtered in the 2018 mid-terms, and a defeat would also further weaken Trump in future legislation they want, such as the Tax Cut.

Ryan, OTOH, is still confident of passage and sticking with a Thursday vote.
Looks like he's just being Squeezed by the Right and changes will move that way.
Perhaps aslo, Trumpov's low approval has opponents on all sides feeling their oats.
(Pence/No-One 2017, if Comey comes comes thru.)

Conservative House Republicans Say They Have Votes to Block Health Bill
House Freedom Caucus unswayed by proposed changes to legislation intended to gain more support
By KRISTINA PETERSON, NATALIE ANDREWS and STEPHANIE ARMOUR
Updated March 21, 2017 12:20 a.m. ET
https://www.wsj.com/articles/house-gop-leaders-move-to-tweak-health-care-bill-1490048076
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I find it quite curious that in this section of the forum - usually the most active - we find very few theads addressing the health care bill, and very few defenders of it, yet it is the CENTERPIECE of the GOPs legistlative efforts so far and the one single thing that they have been promising their consitituents they would do on 'Day 1".

Wow.
 
Threegoofs said:
I find it quite curious that in this section of the forum - usually the most active - we find very few theads addressing the health care bill, and very few defenders of it, yet it is the CENTERPIECE of the GOPs legistlative efforts so far and the one single thing that they have been promising their consitituents they would do on 'Day 1".
Wow.
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GOP health care bill: Will it pass? The whip count
Republicans need 216 votes to win passage in the House. They can lose no more than 21. If they lose 22, there would likely be a 215 to 215 tie, which means the bill would fail.
Last Updated Mar 22, 2017 3:42 PM EDT
GOP health care bill: Will it pass? The whip count - CBS News
Reported by Catherine Reynolds, Rebecca Kaplan and Walt Cronkite
Here’s CBS News’ list of the House Republicans who at this moment say they cannot support the bill in its current form. It’s a list that’s subject to change, with a lot of arms to be twisted and horses to be traded in the next couple of days. We will be updating the regularly, if and when members decide on how they’re voting or change their minds.

Justin Amash, R-Mich.
Dave Brat, R-Va.
Mo Brooks, R-Ala.
Rod Blum, R-Ia
Ted Budd, R-N.C.
Rick Crawford, R-Ark.
Warren Davidson, R-Ohio
Scott DesJarlais, R-Tenn.
Brian Fitzpatrick, R-Pa.
Tom Garrett, R-Va.
Louie Gohmert, R-Tx.
Paul Gosar, R-Az.
Andy Harris, R-Md.
Walter Jones, R-N.C.
Jim Jordan, R-Ohio
John Katko, R-N.J.
Raul Labrador, R-Idaho
Leonard Lance, R-N.J.
Frank LoBiondo, R-N.J.
Thomas Massie, R-Ky.
Mark Meadows, R-N.C.
Scott Perry, R-Pa.
Bill Posey, R-Fl.
Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, R-Fl.
Glenn Thompson, R-Pa.
Robert Wittman, R-Va. :
Ted Yoho, R-Fl.
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That's 27 who do NOT support at the moment.
They need to Butter and Toast 6 by tomorrow's vote.
 
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Helix said:
i see the two party system as a chapter in a yet to be written history book outlining why a two party system can't work and how we should have looked at the evidence and figured it out before it led to larger crises.
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It really does not matter whether or not we like the two party system. Unless we were to go to a European type parliamentary system(not going to happen) the two party system is here to stay. To be fair, there are multiple parties in the US, though there are just two dominant parties. In reality, we are under a two ideology system. And whichever two parties most successfully represent those two ideologies, conservatism and liberalism, will be the two dominant parties.In the last couple of decades, neither of the two main parties have represented their constituents, well. That is what led to the populist wave that elected Donald Trump and made Bernie Sanders such a thorn in Hillary Von Pantsuit's backside.
 
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