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Comey confirms FBI investigating Russia, Trump ties

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Gaugingcatenate said:
Sorry, but when one looks at it logically, you are wrong and, actually, for what Comey/Rogers allow themselves, they are revealing some things and not others.

One, they have been counterintelligence "investigating" since July 2016, which one would have to assume, if they thought there was collusion, or as he put it coordination, with the Russians, how would they do that investigation from July on without surveiling, in one manner or another, the Trump team... which they admitted today they ARE investigating.

Second, Comey and Rogers can only answer for the FBI and NSA, not all the other agencies that could perform this legally and could speak for none that might do it illegally. We do know the Holder Justice department flagrantly assaulted US citzen rights in the notorious investigation of Fox news reporter James Rosen... so we know they are not overstepped beyond our civil liberty protections. Holder said he knew nothing of the investigations, but it was proven that he was the one that signed off on the Rosen case. So he was a proven liar and proven willing to go beyond the bounds against a US citizen.

How do you know who was the object of the surveillance? They admit to having a counterintelligence investigation going on since July of 2016. If they had an official investigation of the Trump team going on, why would this lead you to believe it was ONLY the wire tapping of the Russians?

Why would you wait on evidence when its right there before you. Why, because you don't believe the evidence, you don't believe the testimony of Comey and Rogers apparently.
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The evidence we have so far is all circumstantial and quite damning of Trump. The evidence you desire is classified and its sources must be protected for our own security which is probably why it is taking so long for indictments. They are coming though. It is illegal to aid or abet hackers.
 
Greenbeard said:
It's too early to start taking bets on which Trump campaign officials end up in front of a firing squad for treason, right? It's definitely too early. Right?
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The CBC just ran part of an interview with a journalist who has written biographies on several past presidents who I heard say no president has had a worse 100 days.

That was, I think somewhat predictable, but I think people shuffled it aside hoping Trump would show some professionalism they hated Hillary so much
 
Top Cat said:
So was Trump wiretapped by Obama or not? Never mind we already know it never happened.
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Seems it would take a heavy duty pneumatic hammer to get through the concrete.

Sorry, I just provide facts, selective demolition of obstinate obstacles is not my job. Question has been answered numerous times with supporting logic. I cannot make the blind see, either.
 
Conservative said:
So trillions in more debt are going to happen with more than 4% GDP growth and massive job creation? You are as credible on that prediction as you were with the Presidential election. You have been indoctrinated well by the left into believing that you keeping more of what you earn is an expense to the govt. Wow. my college professors back in the 60's would be shaking their head seeing what has happened to our education system.

When you say Trump has been compromised, in what way and how does the three equal branches of govt. affect that? What compromise could Russia doe that hurts you and your family? I have no fear of Russia, why do you? We can destroy them and they us. You think that is what Trump wants?
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Talk is cheap. The entire free world is suffering from reduced growth, mainly because of wealth distribution which puts all the growth in income at the top where it languishes in hedge funds. 4% growth would require a huge increase in consumer spending. Where are they going to get the money? You have no fear of Russia interfering with our elections because you like the result. That makes you a Putin whore just like Trump. Does that make you proud?
 
Fearandloathing said:
The CBC just ran part of an interview with a journalist who has written biographies on several past presidents who I heard say no president has had a worse 100 days.

That was, I think somewhat predictable, but I think people shuffled it aside hoping Trump would show some professionalism they hated Hillary so much
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No achievements to speak of (just the hope of stripping 24 million people of their health insurance--maybe!) and the lingering cloud of treasonous collusion with a foreign power to influence an American election.

Yeah, I'd say this is the worst 100 days of all time. And Lincoln had to deal with secession!
 
Paperview said:





"I don't know how it can get much worse." This is just an utterly brutal assessment of Trump's young presidency https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/president-trump-faces-his-hardest-truth-he-was-wrong/2017/03/20/af9cabfc-0d83-11e7-9b0d-d27c98455440_story.html?utm_term=.f213494973df …

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I just heard this or another one like it on CBC.
 
And now, the latest conspiracy theory.... FBI director James Comey. We have a new definition:

Schroedinger's FBI director.

1) Damaging Hillary Clinton and President Obama before the election

AND

2) Helping President Obama in today's hearing.

This definition has been sponsored by "Choc full o' nuts"
 
Skeptic Bob said:
While I definitely think foreign governments donated to the Clinton Foundation in order to get on the Clintons' good sides, I also think people who keep making the money laundering accusation don't actually know what money laundering is.
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It means putting coins that have a lot of grime on them in the washing machine. Yep, that's gotta be it. ;)
 
Gaugingcatenate said:
Sorry, but when one looks at it logically, you are wrong and, actually, for what Comey/Rogers allow themselves, they are revealing some things and not others.

One, they have been counterintelligence "investigating" since July 2016, which one would have to assume, if they thought there was collusion, or as he put it coordination, with the Russians, how would they do that investigation from July on without surveiling, in one manner or another, the Trump team... which they admitted today they ARE investigating.

Second, Comey and Rogers can only answer for the FBI and NSA, not all the other agencies that could perform this legally and could speak for none that might do it illegally. We do know the Holder Justice department flagrantly assaulted US citzen rights in the notorious investigation of Fox news reporter James Rosen... so we know they are not overstepped beyond our civil liberty protections. Holder said he knew nothing of the investigations, but it was proven that he was the one that signed off on the Rosen case. So he was a proven liar and proven willing to go beyond the bounds against a US citizen.

How do you know who was the object of the surveillance? They admit to having a counterintelligence investigation going on since July of 2016. If they had an official investigation of the Trump team going on, why would this lead you to believe it was ONLY the wire tapping of the Russians?

Why would you wait on evidence when its right there before you. Why, because you don't believe the evidence, you don't believe the testimony of Comey and Rogers apparently.
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Sorry, but the shortage of logic is yours.

Your entire premise is that an investigation would automatically involve a wiretap. And that hook doesn't support **** paper.

First, I believe Trump only entered the race in July, so if the FBI has wired Trump as claimed, they would have had to somehow know about Trump's intentions...

Two, if after he joined the race the assumption you hold is that there was either so much corruption they simply wired him rather than follow evidence, and the law by seeking a warrant.

Your contention that the FBI would conduct an illegal tap is revealing in itself.

And finally your last question: idiocy.

Police and so forth only act on evidence when they have a case that will likely succeed in the courts. It is asinine to assume that the FBI could have so easily gained the evidence and that it was a solid closer on charges, which is not only asinine, but misleading, but then you're a Trumper, and he is the moist dishonest man to ever occupy the White House.
 
Conservative said:
So tell me exactly what allies don't respect us and how tax cuts are going to hurt the economy when he has proposed a budget that doesn't increase total spending? Any idea what kind of economic activity and govt. revenue is going to be generated by a 15-20% corporate tax rate or have you been indoctrinated so well that you believe the govt. needs the money and can stimulate economic activity better than the private sector? you think tax cuts or you keeping more of what you earn balloons the deficits or is it govt. spending?
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Tax cuts for the wealthy reduce revenue and show no indication that they "stimulate" anything but larger deficits. Ignoring history must be a full time job for you.
Nearly 70% of the Trump income tax cuts are going to the top 1%. Do you think those billionaires are now going to spend even more than they already do? Corporate profits are at record highs and cash on hand is at record levels too because of low demand for goods. Explain how those that pay no income tax already are going to spend more because of those cuts. The didn't under Bush and they won't under Trump. I expect a recession soon because that is what Republicans do.
 
Visbek said:
I concur we don't have all the facts. What we do have is pretty damaging, even if the worst possibilities are not true.

The FBI is pretty much the only agency that would be able to legally conduct that kind of surveillance. Other agencies are capable of it, but we're talking about some pretty serious felonies if they did this.



Again... The FBI was doing routine surveillance on Kislyak. KISLYAK. NOT FLYNN.



Trump hauled off at 6AM on a Saturday morning and accused Obama of wiretapping Trump Tower. No one has any evidence that any such thing happened. Not the FBI, not the DoJ, not the House intelligence committee, not the Senate intelligence committee, not the White House -- which is so desperate to sell its story that it relied on a conspiracy theory promulgated by a Fox News commentator, with pretty much zero proof, and insulted a major ally in the process.

No amount of spin can make these facts go away.



I feel quite confident that we can cease investigating the spurious and baseless claim that "Obama ordered surveillance on Trump Tower." If not now, then very soon.

I have no idea how the rest of the investigations are doing.
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I'd simply note that if Trump Tower was the headquarters of the Trump election campaign and if the DOJ was, as Comey admits, investigating whether or not there was any illegal involvement between the Russians and the Trump campaign, would it not seem logical to you - as it does to me - that surveillance of such "involvement" would have to include surveillance of the Trump campaign, headquartered in Trump Tower.

Now, you can take the lawyerly position and the legalese response and legitimately claim that Trump Tower wasn't the focus of the surveillance - that the Russian elements were - but you can't surveil one party without surveilling the other party. I'm not excusing Trump's take on the matter, simply saying that Trump may not be entirely wrong in his assertions as they relate to wiretapping if not as they relate to President Obama, personally.

But I'll tell you what, it defies credibility that the Justice Department would be conducting an investigation of Donald Trump, pre election, without President Obama knowing and implicitly or explicitly condoning it.

And I'd also add that President Obama, a man who has an opinion to offer on virtually every subject known to man, and usually before investigations have been completed, has been eerily silent and nowhere to be found on this issue.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Lower than William Henry Harrison?
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At least Harrison didn't harm the country. He died of pneumonia just a month after taking office. In addition, the Russians didn't have computers back then. LOL.
 
Erod said:
Notice how the Clinton Foundation all but dried up after the election. I guess charity is only important during campaigns. That was the biggest money laundering machine the world has ever seen, and that's why that private server was so damned important.

Meanwhile, there isn't a stitch of evidence yet of Russian collusion. Because the whole liberal crybaby accusation is stupid.

You lost, snowflakes. Get over it and grow up.
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1) Do you even understand the Clinton Foundation and how it works? You realize the Clinton's gained nothing to speak of, personally, from the foundation. Frankly, the Trump Foundation is corrupt... the Clinton's are generally guilty of twisting people's arms to give to the Foundation, but the Foundation actually did meaningful work throughout the world.

2) Russia interfered in the US election. There is plenty of evidence of that. Their interference is actually an act of war. Whether their "work" swayed 85,000 (or flipped 42,500) votes in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Michigan, which is quite probable, is something we should better understand. The legitimacy of the Trump win lies in the balance. If you are running around concerned about voter ID but are not concerned about this, you are either ignorant or a hypocrite, as this was a real blow to American election integrity.

3) I understand that, as of now, there is no evidence that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia. However, there is a enough circumstantial evidence (lots of meetings and no renouncements by anyone in the campaign of Russia or its activities) AND the integrity of the American elections are at question, such that we should all support continued investigations.
 
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iguanaman said:
Talk is cheap. The entire free world is suffering from reduced growth, mainly because of wealth distribution which puts all the growth in income at the top where it languishes in hedge funds. 4% growth would require a huge increase in consumer spending. Where are they going to get the money? You have no fear of Russia interfering with our elections because you like the result. That makes you a Putin whore just like Trump. Does that make you proud?
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Most of the world relies on govt. spending for the predominant GDP contribution, not this country. You haven't figured it out yet so why don't you move? Russians involvement in our elections make great press but so what? did they change any votes? What do you hope to gain by this investigation?
 
Greenbeard said:
No achievements to speak of (just the hope of stripping 24 million people of their health insurance--maybe!) and the lingering cloud of treasonous collusion with a foreign power to influence an American election.

Yeah, I'd say this is the worst 100 days of all time. And Lincoln had to deal with secession!
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So people choosing not to participate is stripping them of their insurance? Liberal rhetoric. 21000 stock market, 9.2% U-6 which is a reduction from Obama, is definitely the worst 100 days on record in the liberal world. Is that liberal logic and economic results.
 
danarhea said:
At least Harrison didn't harm the country. He died of pneumonia just a month after taking office. In addition, the Russians didn't have computers back then. LOL.
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Yes, but he bored the hell out of those AND threaten the health of those that had to sit through his 3+ hour inauguration speech in the cold rain.
 
danarhea said:
Give Trump a break. There are still 3 weeks left in Trump's first 100 days. He can still go lower. LOL.
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I doubt anything Trump can do or does going to change the spoiled brat liberals throwing a temper tantrum
 
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