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Comey confirms FBI investigating Russia, Trump ties

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Most people with a brain can see what the left is doing, investigate, investigate, divert, divert and do whatever you can and to prevent Trump for increasing economic activity through tax cuts and regulation reform, growing and creating jobs, and defending our borders by stopping illegal immigration. That way you can call the Trump Presidency a failure and hopefully dupe the public into another term of an Obama clone or and even worse socialist

Investigations are ongoing by GOPs and a GOP appointed FBI director.

Nunes and Gowdy are partisan hacks who will TRY to whitewash the committee results.

As usual, your post zooms off into your economic pet issues and is tds .
 
Some of us remember Trey Gowdy leading the 2 year $7 million Benghazi-HRC Investigation. Today he seemed intent on wanting Comey to put up or shut up.

Sean Spicer attempted to minimize Manafort and Flynn's role with Team Trump.

60 days into the new Administration, and the dark clouds continue to gather.
 
Wait a minute.....

Obama's DHS tried 10 seperate times to hack into Georgia's voter registration database.....

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.dailycaller.com/2017/01/25/exclusive-inspector-general-to-investigate-10-dhs-cyberattacks-on-georgia-election-system/

And according to the recent Wikileaks dump, the CIA can leave " fingerprints " of foreign intel agencies behind

Isn't that grand? It basically means that anything they come out with has a good chance of being complete bull****. :lol:
 
Do you understand that a SOS has privileges that others don't have? Privileges that enable them to better do their job?

Breaking the law isn't one of those privileges
 
You and Trump are the ones "making crap up". The State Dept. is being gutted and it's 75 year mission is being undone as we speak. That is making us more unsafe and what do you have to say about it?

He's another conservative that refuses to post on the content of a trump thread.

I doubt if trump/Bannon posters expected this high hard one from Comey.

We saw the intelligence committee degenerate into GOPs covering for trump today, versus when they used to go after Clinton.

GOPs want this over ASAP because trump's at 37% and falling and they fear the 2018 elections .
 
Did they negligently mishandle classified material?

Why do you think Comey/FBI has been investigating the corrupt trump campaign ?
 
No, he didn't. He said that their is an ongoing investigation into Russia that includes "any", which isn't a statement that there is or isn't any.

The Russian investigation, I would assume, will include "any" links between anyone and the Russians suspected of hacking the DCCC and Podesta. But if there are none then there are none. We already know that links had been investigated last year, but they were all ruled out.
Are we now going to debate what the word "is" means now?

I have been authorized by the Department of Justice to confirm that the FBI, as part of our counterintelligence mission, is investigating the Russian government's efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election and that includes investigating the nature of any links between individuals associated with the Trump campaign and the Russian government and whether there was any coordination between the campaign and Russia's efforts. As with any counterintelligence investigation, this will also include an assessment of whether any crimes were committed.

They're investigating the campaign.


But if they never targeted Trump campaign staffers then nothing captured in the surveillance of the foreign entity ever elevated them to suspect status. The only reason why an intercepted communication as part of a valid FISA warrant would not spawn a warrant for surveillance of the 2nd party is if it was deemed that the communication between the campaign staffer and the the Russian was not evidence of collusion.
A FISA warrant is only required if the TARGET of the investigation is an American. If they are conducting surveillance on a known Russian intelligence agent, and George Clooney calls up the agent, then guess what? That call can be legally recorded. It's called incidental collection.

If they then said "woah, Clooney is talking to a Russian spy," they can try to get a FISA warrant to monitor all of Clooney's communications. But they don't need a warrant if George is the one calling the spy, even if they are talking constantly on the phone. And again, after the fact they can request a warrant for Clooney's emails or other electronic communication.

And they don't necessarily need to conduct surveillance in order to conduct an investigation. Equally important, the President is not going to personally order that kind of investigation, though he may be informed about it.

What we can surmise is that there is enough evidence of some sort to justify a continuing investigation. Even if they did not collaborate with the Russians, this looks really bad.


I believe that is correct. But at least two warrants were filed last year with FISA regarding members of the Trump campaign and assets in Trump Tower. In either case the surveillance could have already been under way when the warrant was filed.
There is a claim, in a Murdoch outlet, that someone was investigating one server in Trump Tower that had unusual communications with server(s) at a Russian bank. According to the leak, the first request was turned down; the second was crafted much more narrowly. There is no indication whatsoever this had anything to do with campaign staffers.


Well, the Trump claim was that Obama ordered a wiretap on Trump tower. Saing he had no evidence of that claim doesn't really prove much other than the three qualifiers of the claim don't coincide with reality... but two could be true and he could still truthfully say "no information to support"
Or, the whole thing is bull****.

He claimed that Obama directly ordered wiretaps on Trump Tower shortly before the election. Not true.

He claimed that a court had turned down an earlier request to wiretap Trump Tower. Not true.

He claimed that a good lawyer could put the screws to Obama. Incorrect: If it happened, it'd be federal charges for lots of people. Private attorneys would not get involved. Since it didn't happen, though: Not true.

He compared it to Nixon and Watergate, when the real issue is that his own campaign may have collaborated with Russian intelligence. Yet another example of Trump engaging in "Whataboutism" -- distract and delegitimize by attempting to draw false equivalencies.

The chances that Comey lied, or that this happened without him finding out about it, are pretty much zero. The chances that some other agency did it are also vanishingly small.

Bottom line is: Trump shot his mouth off at 6AM based on no proof, no understanding of US law, and basically no rationality whatsoever.
 
Tax cuts are what started our way down the rabbit hole and have never proved to create anything but further income disparity and debt.
So yes patriots would oppose them. In fact nothing Trump has done or promised to do has any value unless you are wealthy or Vladimir Putin. If he is indeed in Putin 's pocket, patriots also want to know. What are you?


Wrong, tax cuts are what stimulated the economic activities that created jobs, liberal spending sent us down the rabbit hole. You don't want to keep more of what you earn that is your choice, send it back to the govt. Only in the liberal world is the govt. the answer but in the real world the massive govt. is the problem. You obviously haven't paid any attention to what Trump has done because you spend too much time demonizing him in this forum. Jobs are coming back to this country, the stock market is close to 21000, and obviously you didn't see his visit to Detroit and the reaction to jobs returning there. Some people are just a waste of time and apparently nothing is going to change your mind about him so continue to focus on the irrelevant. I really would like to know exactly what Trump has done with Russia that really bothers you and impacts jobs, economic activity, or national security in this country. Those are the important issues
 
You and Trump are the ones "making crap up". The State Dept. is being gutted and it's 75 year mission is being undone as we speak. That is making us more unsafe and what do you have to say about it?

Why do you care what happens in the state department? Seem that putting America first really bothers you and the status quo is what you wanted with Hillary, 20 trillion dollar debt, 1.6% GDP growth and 9.4% U-6 Rate is what you got with Obama and you want more of that? Apparently being liked is more important than being respected. Maybe you ought to work on the first part because the second part is certainly out of your reach
 
Why do you think Comey/FBI has been investigating the corrupt trump campaign ?

We don't really know what they're investigating, because Comey never said.
 
Investigations are ongoing by GOPs and a GOP appointed FBI director.

Nunes and Gowdy are partisan hacks who will TRY to whitewash the committee results.

As usual, your post zooms off into your economic pet issues and is tds .

While all this is happening what is being done to get the economy moving, jobs created, and solving the real problems facing this country. You are getting exactly what you wanted, stall, delay, divert, trumped up charges. Congratulations, you may indeed achieve that socialist utopia you seem to want
 
Actually it is. It would be illegal for a lay person to reclassify information but a SOS has that power.

The information she mishandled wasn't declassified.
 
Why do you care what happens in the state department? Seem that putting America first really bothers you and the status quo is what you wanted with Hillary, 20 trillion dollar debt, 1.6% GDP growth and 9.4% U-6 Rate is what you got with Obama and you want more of that? Apparently being liked is more important than being respected. Maybe you ought to work on the first part because the second part is certainly out of your reach

We are not being respected by any of our allies and Trumps tax cuts will balloon the deficit just like Reagans's and GW's did. But partisan hacks like you will support it anyway. Hell you will even support the Trump recession that is coming anytime now. You have no shame.
 
The information she mishandled wasn't declassified.

It also was innocuous and did not endanger anyone's security. Unlike Trumps gutting of he State Dept. and choice of a Putin sympathizer as SOS. We are in uncharted territory after only a few weeks of Trump. If only we knew he was under FBI investigation at he same time as Hilary was. We would be so much safer.
 
It also was innocuous and did not endanger anyone's security. Unlike Trumps gutting of he State Dept. and choice of a Putin sympathizer as SOS. We are in uncharted territory after only a few weeks of him.

The law doesn't make that distinction.
 
The law doesn't make that distinction.

Of course it does.....

Not only was Secretary Clinton the ultimate authority within the State Department to determine whether State Department information should be classified, but she was also the ultimate authority in determining whether classified information should be declassified. Moreover, declassification when done at the highest level appears to require no formal procedure. Indeed, we have a history of high-level officials engaging in “instant declassification,” most notably by leaking classified information to the press for political or strategic advantage. Since the leakers are typically speaking off the record or on deep background, some disclosures may have been made by people lacking the authority to declassify information, instantly or otherwise. No such leaker has been criminally prosecuted, and so long as the authorization to reveal classified information was approved at the cabinet level, it is unlikely that anyone could be.

Why Hillary Won't Be Indicted and Shouldn't Be: An Objective Legal Analysis
 
Of course it does.....

You're wrong, my friend.

(f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer—
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/793
 
Wrong, tax cuts are what stimulated the economic activities that created jobs, liberal spending sent us down the rabbit hole. You don't want to keep more of what you earn that is your choice, send it back to the govt. Only in the liberal world is the govt. the answer but in the real world the massive govt. is the problem. You obviously haven't paid any attention to what Trump has done because you spend too much time demonizing him in this forum. Jobs are coming back to this country, the stock market is close to 21000, and obviously you didn't see his visit to Detroit and the reaction to jobs returning there. Some people are just a waste of time and apparently nothing is going to change your mind about him so continue to focus on the irrelevant. I really would like to know exactly what Trump has done with Russia that really bothers you and impacts jobs, economic activity, or national security in this country. Those are the important issues

LOL Says the man supporting a President who's proposals will result in trillions more debt and billions more for the wealthy who don't need it. It is indeed important to know if Trump has been compromised by Putin and his actions so far seem to verify it. That is the real danger and you choose to ignore it because you want your tax cut. How special. I hope you choke on it.
 
The investigation into collusion is ongoing, as we learned today.

Please tell us how you knew there was a collusion investigation before today.

What a ****ing joke of a president tweeting during the hearing .

LOL, that isn't what he said. But I think I want you to feel the full brunt of disappointment so I will no longer try and dissuade you from your fantasy.
 
And you're buying that steamy pile?

Wow, just wow. He was right. He could shoot someone.
Jesus dude, get a grip.

IT WAS PROVEN [IT IS NOW ESTABLISHED FACT] TODAY THAT THE TRUMP TEAM WAS UNDER SURVEILLANCE BY THE U S GOVERNMENT EXECUTIVE BRANCH [Team o bomb, if you cannot figure it out].

To hell with your assessment of we "deplorables". Trump breaths and you folks, based solely on that, want him impeached. The o bomb could do whatever he damn well wanted, including having someone innocent killed [ he actually did this with drone strikes] and most of you folks didn't give one damn **** about it.

Keep throwing everything ya got at Trump... However, don't expect the rest of us to keep paying attention. We Americans, true Americans, are on to your side's projections of bad character on the rest of us. And they, we, especially see how utterly unfair you are unless someone agrees with you hook, line and sinker. These are the death throes of a defunct and now useless Democrat party and ideology.

Good riddance.
 
Turns out Flynn was an agent of a foreign country, Turkey. He lobbied for Turkey. Maybe the FBI knew about Flynn's previous role as lobbyist of Turkey and this commenced the tapping of Flynn by US Intel?
Dunno.

Of Trump's initial cabinet picks I was always a bit iffy on Flynn. While it has not been proven he has actually done anything wrong, I am actually glad he is no longer on the Trump team. Tillerson was the other one that gave me doubts... but let Tillerson prove me wrong, I don't mind batting .500
 
Isn't that grand? It basically means that anything they come out with has a good chance of being complete bull****. :lol:

It also means the Obama administration could have been the ones trying to hack into States Voter registration databases.

We know they tried 10 different times to hack into Georgia's data base so there's precedence

Comey said to today that there was evidence Russia tried to do the exact same thing. Im thinking it was the Obama admin trying to cover their tracks with Russian fingerprints
 
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