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DEBT COLLECTOR Donald Trump claims Germany owes the US and Nato ‘vast sums of money’

Re: DEBT COLLECTOR Donald Trump claims Germany owes the US and Nato ‘vast sums of mon

NATO countries have until 2024 to meet the 2% obligation; so Germany is doing nothing wrong.

That graph paints a much more positive picture than the reality would. You must look at the cumulative spending divergences to get a feel for the competitive advantage Germany and others have drawn from free riding.
 
Re: DEBT COLLECTOR Donald Trump claims Germany owes the US and Nato ‘vast sums of mon

If right-wingers are so mad about the US spending so much more on defense than our allies, maybe we should just not spend so much.

I agree! We should cut our portion we pay NATO for defense immediately. We've been paying more than our share for way too long. Good point.

Disclaimer: I'm not a right-winger, but what you said made perfect sense.
 
Re: DEBT COLLECTOR Donald Trump claims Germany owes the US and Nato ‘vast sums of mon

If Trump thinks that Germany is going to send a check to the USA he's out of touch with reality.
 
Re: DEBT COLLECTOR Donald Trump claims Germany owes the US and Nato ‘vast sums of mon

Trump is acting like a thug operating a protection racket.

So after Trump alienates all of the US allies and trading partners....then who will the US have to trade with?

Obama freaked out our allies in the ME and former Eastern Europe.

He pulled the defense shield right after coming into office. A payback to Russians? He was caught on a hot mic sucking Medvedev's dick, and telling him Putin will get service too... after the election when he had more "flexibility".

Tell me... how do you think our allies looked at that?

Obama didn't lead. He let the ME turn into a flaming turd, allowing ISIS to wreck havoc. Now Europe is paying the price for his idiocy. (That the EU was totally unprepared tells you about how incompetent those fools are).

In the ME... those who want to see Crazy Iran contained, saw Obama give a billion to the morons... illegally... and a pathway to nukes.

He turned down assistance to help defeat ISIS.

Obama did great damage... perhaps it explains why the NATO nations were not eager to pony up money.

Trump is changing that.

As for trade... these countries need us more than we need them. Trump is negotiating on behalf of America, and he is sending signals to other countries that he wants fair and free trade... no more "leading from behind", and no more bending over and taking it in the behind.

He is putting America's interests first, and that means fair trade deals. It does us no good to wallop trade partners with on-sided deals as they had. He's not stupid.

As an aside, what's funny (in a sad, sick way), is looking back to Obama and the many times he claimed to put a "laser-like focus on the economy". Well... we now know, he's an economic illiterate... his laser had no batteries.

Demokrats might like things they way they were... but they're not in charge any longer... Thank God.

I watched on Saudi spokesman diplomatically blow Obama out of the water. You think our allies liked Obama the Weakling. Think again.

Saudi Offer Money, Troops To Fight ISIS ? Were Turned Down By Obama – The Washington Feed
 
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Re: DEBT COLLECTOR Donald Trump claims Germany owes the US and Nato ‘vast sums of mon

Obama freaked out our allies in the ME and former Eastern Europe.

He pulled the defense shield right after coming into office. A payback to Russians? He was caught on a hot mic sucking Medvedev's dick, and telling him Putin will get service too... after the election when he had more "flexibility".

Tell me... how do you think our allies looked at that?

Obama didn't lead. He let the ME turn into a flaming turd, allowing ISIS to wreck havoc. Now Europe is paying the price for his idiocy. (That the EU was totally unprepared tells you about how incompetent those fools are).

In the ME... those who want to see Crazy Iran contained, saw Obama give a billion to the morons... illegally... and a pathway to nukes.

He turned down assistance to help defeat ISIS.

Obama did great damage... perhaps it explains why the NATO nations were not eager to pony up money.

Trump is changing that.

As for trade... these countries need us more than we need them. Trump is negotiating on behalf of America, and he is sending signals to other countries that he wants fair and free trade... no more "leading from behind", and no more bending over and taking it in the behind.

He is putting America's interests first, and that means fair trade deals. It does us no good to wallop trade partners with on-sided deals as they had. He's not stupid.

As an aside, what's funny (in a sad, sick way), is looking back to Obama and the many times he claimed to put a "laser-like focus on the economy". Well... we now know, he's an economic illiterate... his laser had no batteries.

Demokrats might like things they way they were... but they're not in charge any longer... Thank God.

I watched on Saudi spokesman diplomatically blow Obama out of the water. You think our allies liked Obama the Weakling. Think again.

Saudi Offer Money, Troops To Fight ISIS ? Were Turned Down By Obama – The Washington Feed

Democrat is spelled with a c, not a k.
 
Re: DEBT COLLECTOR Donald Trump claims Germany owes the US and Nato ‘vast sums of mon

Why any level-minded Libertarian would support this man is beyond me. If I were Germany, I'd tell him to kiss my ass!
 
Re: DEBT COLLECTOR Donald Trump claims Germany owes the US and Nato ‘vast sums of mon

Why any level-minded Libertarian would support this man is beyond me. If I were Germany, I'd tell him to kiss my ass!

Angela would never gamble on inviting a sexual assault.
 
Re: DEBT COLLECTOR Donald Trump claims Germany owes the US and Nato ‘vast sums of mon

If right-wingers are so mad about the US spending so much more on defense than our allies, maybe we should just not spend so much.

Trump does not sugarcoat his words to fit the ears of delicate liberals

The US military is under strength and in need of spare parts

A weak military invites our enemies to take advantage and they are
 
Re: DEBT COLLECTOR Donald Trump claims Germany owes the US and Nato ‘vast sums of mon

Good for Trump to call out the Euro-socialist free loaders.

They crap on the US, while America freed them twice, defended them from the USSR, and then they don't pay their fair share.

What an ungrateful, disgusting lot.

I guess Trump does not understand the meaning of the word Treaty in the North American Treaty Organization. Why am I not surprised?
 
Re: DEBT COLLECTOR Donald Trump claims Germany owes the US and Nato ‘vast sums of mon

Look at what happened in the Balkans. .

Are you referring to the Kosovo War, where a country with a GDP smaller than the USAF's budget (Serbia) held off the American led NATO air campaign?
 
Re: DEBT COLLECTOR Donald Trump claims Germany owes the US and Nato ‘vast sums of mon

Actually, the French and U.K. Have been fairly helpful in the past, though, both have reduced spending recently, if I recall. But it must be mentioned that this was probably partially due to the economic competitive advantage that was intolerable in the financial crisis. They redirected spending to stop the economic implosion.

It's also worth noting that French military doctrine emphasizes their nuclear arsenal as a means to offset convention forces, i.e they don't spend as much on their army, air force and navy because they rely on nuclear deterrence for defense. It's also worth noting the French have supported their African operations in recent years pretty much entirely on their own.
 
Re: DEBT COLLECTOR Donald Trump claims Germany owes the US and Nato ‘vast sums of mon

Trump does not sugarcoat his words to fit the ears of delicate liberals

The US military is under strength and in need of spare parts

A weak military invites our enemies to take advantage and they are

The US spends more than the next dozen countries on their military. you should buy better quality, or fear less.
 
Re: DEBT COLLECTOR Donald Trump claims Germany owes the US and Nato ‘vast sums of mon

Are you referring to the Kosovo War, where a country with a GDP smaller than the USAF's budget (Serbia) held off the American led NATO air campaign?

To be fair, Yugoslavs are pretty damn resilient as a people.
 
Re: DEBT COLLECTOR Donald Trump claims Germany owes the US and Nato ‘vast sums of mon

To be fair, Yugoslavs are pretty damn resilient as a people.

The Serbians conducted a brilliant usage of limited resources and held off the most powerful air forces in the world for weeks, only capitulating when Hungarian entry into NATO opened up another route for a ground invasion, invalidating Serbian defensive strategy.

It was an impressive and intelligent display, something that we would be smart to learn from.
 
Re: DEBT COLLECTOR Donald Trump claims Germany owes the US and Nato ‘vast sums of mon

What an oddball.

They do not pay after we have provided them with defense and saved their asses...

... and we are thugs to ask them... shame them... into paying "their fair share"?

Weird science.

PS. I know... it makes Obama look like a fool too, but hey... if the shoe fits perfectly... wear it!!!

lol fair share

It was part of our demands for the rebuilding of Germany that it be demilitarized. No one here should be shocked that the Germans, after decades of being told the military is a necessary evil, don't want to spend a lot of their budget on the armed forces.
 
Re: DEBT COLLECTOR Donald Trump claims Germany owes the US and Nato ‘vast sums of mon

The US spends more than the next dozen countries on their military. you should buy better quality, or fear less.

You worry about your second rate military and let us worry about maintaining ours as the best military in the world
 
Re: DEBT COLLECTOR Donald Trump claims Germany owes the US and Nato ‘vast sums of mon

The EU forces couldn't defend Moscow, Idaho, a small University town on the WA-ID border... from an American Militia... they're so lame.
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A couple of pissant hicks with nothing but small arms, no combat experience, and nothing but lofty ideals of "patriotism" couldn't hope to stand up against a modern mechanized force with access to heavy artillery, main battle tanks, and helicopter gunships. Add on top of that plenty of European hardware is superior to our own and it's clear you have no understanding of military affairs.
 
Re: DEBT COLLECTOR Donald Trump claims Germany owes the US and Nato ‘vast sums of mon

Trump is acting like a thug operating a protection racket.

So after Trump alienates all of the US allies and trading partners....then who will the US have to trade with?

Obviously Putin and Russia. ;)
 
Re: DEBT COLLECTOR Donald Trump claims Germany owes the US and Nato ‘vast sums of mon

You worry about your second rate military and let us worry about maintaining ours as the best military in the world

The US military is under strength and in need of spare parts


Pick one.
 
Re: DEBT COLLECTOR Donald Trump claims Germany owes the US and Nato ‘vast sums of mon

A couple of pissant hicks with nothing but small arms, no combat experience, and nothing but lofty ideals of "patriotism" couldn't hope to stand up against a modern mechanized force with access to heavy artillery, main battle tanks, and helicopter gunships. Add on top of that plenty of European hardware is superior to our own and it's clear you have no understanding of military affairs.

Now imagine if Putin announced that Russia would massively cut back social programs to bolster Russian military spending, or a Prime Minister Matteo Salvini announced a 'super-dreadnought' or something crazy would be added to the Italian military to defend Europe from an imaginary 'Muslim scourge' (aka travel ban).

I just wonder why people aren't even more infuriated by our so-called 'President'...
 
Re: DEBT COLLECTOR Donald Trump claims Germany owes the US and Nato ‘vast sums of mon

Obviously Putin and Russia. ;)

And then the U.S. will have completed its conquering of Eurasia, and thus, the Earth.
 
Re: DEBT COLLECTOR Donald Trump claims Germany owes the US and Nato ‘vast sums of mon

Trump is acting like a thug operating a protection racket.

So after Trump alienates all of the US allies and trading partners....then who will the US have to trade with?

Lol, the bigger question would be, without US, who would THEY trade with? The world is not going to stop trading with the biggest economic powerhouse in the world because of some petulant drones. :roll:

#getoverit
 
Re: DEBT COLLECTOR Donald Trump claims Germany owes the US and Nato ‘vast sums of mon

Pick one.

Its still both

The US military has more responsibility than any other country

Traditionally we have planned for the ability to fight in two theaters at the same time

But that has been an illusion for many years

Today we could defeat most threats in a single theater but not two at a time

And as our strength declines the cost in blood goes up
 
Re: DEBT COLLECTOR Donald Trump claims Germany owes the US and Nato ‘vast sums of mon

And then the U.S. will have completed its conquering of Eurasia, and thus, the Earth.

That would depend on who is on top.
 
Re: DEBT COLLECTOR Donald Trump claims Germany owes the US and Nato ‘vast sums of mon

Trump says Miller Lite tastes great. Leftists shriek "NO!!! Its less filling!!!"
 
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