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DEBT COLLECTOR Donald Trump claims Germany owes the US and Nato ‘vast sums of money’

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Moot said:
Trump threatens to withdraw US protection if they don't pay up.....how is that different than extortion or a protection racket run by the mafia?
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Protection from his gangster pal Pootie?
 
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What Trump and Zimmer conveniently forget to mention, is that the current formula for NATO member contributions (2% of GDP) was only agreed upon a few years ago and all NATO members have until 2024 to meet or exceed this financial obligation. The United States willingly agreed to this specific incremental-spending-growth formula in 2014.

Then you have a NATO nation like Iceland which has no military. Iceland is a NATO member mainly because the US begged Iceland to join the Alliance due to its critical geographic location.
 
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zimmer said:
Good for Trump to call out the Euro-socialist free loaders.

They crap on the US, while America freed them twice, defended them from the USSR, and then they don't pay their fair share.

What an ungrateful, disgusting lot.
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Um...Germany didn't...during WW2 they...

Not worth it...
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
No data, rhetorical BS.

Now you have switched from Canada, to the EU invading Idaho. This is such utter, stupid, bs.

Um, the EU/NATO/UN were quite involved in "the Balkans" during Clinton.

Still not addressing the contradiction.
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I used a small American University town as an example, one with a name commonly known to be Russian... and the inability of Euro's to defend this little town. Phew... some folks are mighty in their thickness.

The EU couldn't get the job done in the Balkans. They begged us to enter the crisis. Why should we? It was in their backyard, and we had no national interest. We did because the Euro's were too lame.

My life has been a bunch of amazing twists and turns. I know Canada, America and Europe... as home. They're not places I've visited for a few weeks... I've lived in them... years at a time. I know Kanuckistan. What follows is you "data".

There was, of course, a time when Canada was a genuine military power. By the end of the Second World War in 1945, the Armed Forces of Canada numbered more than one million men and women. The Canadian Navy and the Canadian Air Force were among the largest in the world... When victory was finally achieved over Nazi Germany, Canada ranked behind only the United States, Great Britain and the Soviet Union as a contributor to that victory. Canada's war effort had been massive for a country of only 11 million people.

But that is all now fairly ancient history... Even at the height of the Cold War when Canada was faced with an existential threat, the size of its Armed Forces never surpassed the 125,000 mark. And today it stands at roughly half that number.
Our shrinking military power | The Kingston Whig-Standard
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65,000 Troops.
The once proud Canadian Military is now fitting for a nation like Andorra.

It might be capable of defending Moscow, Idaho from an American militia.

The Canadians are content to let others defend liberty... while they spend on social programs.
 
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zimmer said:
Extortion... ROTFLMFAO... :lamo

If you don't pay the rent, do you expect to continue living at the residence rent free?*

*In Germany it's possible... that's why it's ridiculous to own rental property there. The renters have more rights than the owner. You can go bankrupt thanks to a few rogue renters.

We provide services, we have an agreement... they need to pay in full, and all past-due with interest.
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But Germany doesn't owe any money to the U.S. The agreement is they spend a certain % of GDP on defense. Germany doesn't. If they do start spending enough, they won't pay us a penny - they'll spend it on troops, planes, guns, etc. Maybe some U.S. arms makers make more money - perhaps that is the whole point. But the government of the U.S. isn't due anything.
 
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zimmer said:
Good for Trump to call out the Euro-socialist free loaders.

They crap on the US, while America freed them twice, defended them from the USSR, and then they don't pay their fair share.

What an ungrateful, disgusting lot.
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There is some truth to that. The Germans have been singularly unwilling to pay for their security letting their economic competitors like England, France, the US or Greece take the costs. This has amounted to between one and three percent pa of GDP or more for more than 20 years. The money they saved helped to find a competitive advantage.

The same was true more recently, when a number of countries spent large amounts to prevent a final meltdown after the collapse of the two bubbles, while Germany spent little and bootstrapped itself out of recession via exports out of the spending in countries like U.K., France or the USA. The country did not act illegally, mind. But it did amount to asocial behavior.

So, it might be overstating it that Germany owes cash. But in a less literal or legal sense they could be said to. And their political elite seems to understand this.
 
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Trump's at it again with his idiotic, thuggish nonsense.

jimbo said:
I can agree with that. The job of our military should be limited to protecting the interest of our country, our people, and our property.
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Which would be a true America First.

Which means a huge decrease in military spending.

I don't agree with the sentiment, but that's the logical end result.
 
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Moot said:
Trump is acting like a thug operating a protection racket.

So after Trump alienates all of the US allies and trading partners....then who will the US have to trade with?
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The trading won't stop. They have their own workers to worry about.
 
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Trump also seems to forget that every NATO nation responded in measure to the 9/11 attacks on America. From August 2003 to December 2014, NATO led the UN-mandated International Security Assistance Force (ISAF), which conducted security operations and helped build up the Afghan security forces. In January 2015 NATO launched a new non-combat Resolute Support Mission (RSM) to train, advise and assist Afghan security forces and institutions. NATO will be assisting the Afghan government, both militarily and financially, until at least 2020.
 
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Deuce said:
If right-wingers are so mad about the US spending so much more on defense than our allies, maybe we should just not spend so much.
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Maybe the EU should step up to the plate and offer to take some of the world policeman duties from the USA.
 
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RetiredUSN said:
The trading won't stop. They have their own workers to worry about.
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High tariffs have a way of stopping trade and causing trade wars. Just ask Herbert Hoover...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoot–Hawley_Tariff_Act


Germany is one of US largest trading partners and home to one of US largest military bases. The US is the guest in Germany...not the host. I suspect the US pays Germany a lot of money to keep a military base on their soil.
 
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Moot said:
Trump threatens to withdraw US protection if they don't pay up.....how is that different than extortion or a protection racket run by the mafia?
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:doh....
 
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Rogue Valley said:
Trump also seems to forget that every NATO nation responded in measure to the 9/11 attacks on America. From August 2003 to December 2014, NATO led the UN-mandated International Security Assistance Force (ISAF), which conducted security operations and helped build up the Afghan security forces. In January 2015 NATO launched a new non-combat Resolute Support Mission (RSM) to train, advise and assist Afghan security forces and institutions. NATO will be assisting the Afghan government, both militarily and financially, until at least 2020.
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Yes. Germany was willing to station people only in the then relatively peaceful North. And considering the size and wealth of the country the contingent was skimpy. Do you realize how few soldiers the country is capable of sending on a mission at short notice? Or what total they can manage on a lengthy basis? It is a real embarrassment.
 
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Master PO said:
:doh....
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'Give me more protection money by tomorrow...or I'll let my friend, Putin take over your country' - Prez Trumpo Corleoloony
 
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RetiredUSN said:
Maybe the EU should step up to the plate and offer to take some of the world policeman duties from the USA.
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Actually, the French and U.K. Have been fairly helpful in the past, though, both have reduced spending recently, if I recall. But it must be mentioned that this was probably partially due to the economic competitive advantage that was intolerable in the financial crisis. They redirected spending to stop the economic implosion.
 
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Moot said:
'Give me more protection money by tomorrow...or I'll let my friend, Putin take over your country' - Prez Trumpo Corlioloony
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your statement was and this one is silly, no one makes germany be part of NATO and they agreed long ago to pay 2% of their GDP.

this is not about NATO for you, its just about anti-trump for you
 
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Master PO said:
your statement was and this one is silly, no one makes germany be part of NATO and they agreed long ago to pay 2% of their GDP.

this is not about NATO for you, it just about anti-trump for you
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Garbage.

Stop making this about you, PO. :roll:
 
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Trump has a valid point, out of the 28 nations within NATO only 5 pay their share
 
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Master PO said:
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Trump has a valid point, out of the 28 nations within NATO only 5 pay their share
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NATO countries have until 2024 to meet the 2% obligation; so Germany is doing nothing wrong.
 
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Aristaeus said:
NATO countries have until 2024 to meet the 2% obligation; so Germany is doing nothing wrong.
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Germany is an old member of NATO and have pledged to pay, since the fall of the USSR many of Europe have reduced spending on their military.

Sweden is not a member however about 2 to 3 years ago they reduced their military spending making it known, that they know the u.s.will come to protect them if attacked, so this the mindset over in that part of the world

trump is speaking with Merkel to secure her word, that germany will pay its part, which i believe was supposed to be by 2020 .......but now is 2024.

if the 23 nations of NATO do not fulfill their pledges to do what they said when it comes to 2% of GDP, when you cannot expect the u.s. to commit to NATO
 
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Moot said:
Trump is acting like a thug operating a protection racket.

So after Trump alienates all of the US allies and trading partners....then who will the US have to trade with?
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The thugs are the liberal European countries spending little on defense and leaning on the US to protect them while they bash the hand that feeds them. Trump is just asking for fairness.
 
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Moot said:
High tariffs have a way of stopping trade and causing trade wars. Just ask Herbert Hoover...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoot–Hawley_Tariff_Act


Germany is one of US largest trading partners and home to one of US largest military bases. The US is the guest in Germany...not the host. I suspect the US pays Germany a lot of money to keep a military base on their soil.
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Germany isn't going any wheres.
 
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Master PO said:
no one makes germany be part of NATO and they agreed long ago to pay 2% of their GDP.
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...by 2024.
 
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Moot said:
Trump is acting like a thug operating a protection racket.

So after Trump alienates all of the US allies and trading partners....then who will the US have to trade with?
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While his behavior is acerbic and has been unusual in recent more polite times, he is absolutely right in the fact. He is also probably right to be so blunt and threatening, as long as he is willing to follow up on the promise. A row of Presidents have asked politely and Germany has just continued to free ride and enhance its competitiveness against countries like the USA, France or U.K. with the free rider advantage.
 
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