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House intel chairman: No evidence of wiretapping claim

Fenton said:
They actually gave the DOJ until the 20th.
When that day rolls around and there's still no evidence, the Spicer and Trump can walk back their claims
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Spicer has already begun walking back on DJT's claim. According to him, when Trump said "wiretapping", he didn't really mean wiretapping.
 
vesper said:
It was an interesting interview. Though he says he doesn't have any evidence that Trump Tower was wire tapped, which they no longer do because everything is done digitally, he emphasized his deep concern of those associated with the Trump campaign having possibly been caught up in surveillance of another and having their identity unmasked and leaked for political purposes.

He also went on to say to reporters if you take President's tweet literally then Trump is wrong. But if you take it as meaning surveillance we have no answer for that and is calling for Pompeo, Comey and the other heads of intelligence to come forth and inform the committee if Trump, his transition team, campaign were ever targeted for investigation or are currently under investigation. He wants that meeting to take place next week.
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Well read his tweets
Trump was clear as day with his allegations.
Now if unfounded, what should he say to Obama and the American people?

TRUMP TWITTER RAMPAGE: Obama Wiretapped Trump Tower During Election - "This Is McCarthyism!"
 
Cardinal said:
Spicer already did walk back the claims. He said that when Trump wrote "wiretapping" he didn't actually mean wiretapping.
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So according to the NYTs Obama's administration used covert surveillance to monitor Trumps associates including Flynn right before the election.

How is that any better than " wiretapping " ?
 
TheGoverness said:
Spicer has already begun walking back on DJT's claim. According to him, when Trump said "wiretapping", he didn't really mean wiretapping.
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And yet Flynns calls were leaked to WaPo, the NYTs reported on surviellance of Trump associates and Trumps calls with world leaders were leaked

Trump should have use the term " surveiallance ", it was far more accurate
 
Fenton said:
So according to the NYTs Obama's administration used covert surveillance to monitor Trumps associates including Flynn right before the election.

How is that any better than " wiretapping " ?
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Let me see if I understand you correctly. Flynn is calling Russia, and you're...surprised...that he was surveilled? Having failed to provide evidence that Obama ordered a wiretap on Trump Tower, are you now moving to "All surveillance is a scandal?" Is that really what you guys are going with these days?
 
JANFU said:
House intel chairman: No evidence of wiretapping claim - CNNPolitics.com


Things are getting really interesting.
Waiting to see how Spicer walks Trumps claim back.
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Of course, that denial does not mean that calls made from Trump Tower to (wherever and whoever) were not "tapped" and transcripts of them circulated to Obama administration personnel.

How do we know this? The leaked transcript of just such a call (albeit, source presently unknown) exists.

The question that this committee should have asked is "Did the Obama administration personnel possess transcripts of such calls and, if so, what was their justification for having and/or circulating them?".
 
vesper said:
I'm going to wait and see what Pompeo and others reveal. I don't believe this is the end of the story.
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I am more than willing to wait as well.
We will see what if any contacts the Trump campaign had with Russians, what was discussed.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Of course, that denial does not mean that calls made from Trump Tower to (wherever and whoever) were not "tapped" and transcripts of them circulated to Obama administration personnel.

How do we know this? The leaked transcript of just such a call (albeit, source presently unknown) exists.

The question that this committee should have asked is "Did the Obama administration personnel possess transcripts of such calls and, if so, what was their justification for having and/or circulating them?".
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Is that a news report?? From where??
 
Cardinal said:
Let me see if I understand you correctly. Flynn is calling Russia, and you're...surprised...that he was surveilled? Having failed to provide evidence that Obama ordered a wiretap on Trump Tower, are you now moving to "All surveillance is a scandal?" Is that really what you guys are going with these days?
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I wonder if Democrats were surveiled also ? One things for certain, their names and calls werent illegally leaked to WaPo
 
Mycroft said:
Calm down...

This is nothing more than one of the GOP Elites tossing some red soy-meat to the rabid dogs in the media and amongst the liberals and Trump haters.

Got to keep them all riled up, you know.
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Is that what it is?? Trump still on OJT???
 
JANFU said:
Is that a news report?? From where??
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Really?

That explains why Flynn lied about the call to the vice president, and to the press. That explains why — although he has known about this issue for many weeks — the president did not fire Flynn earlier. That also explains why the president has expressed regret about the leak of the transcript of the call but not about the fact that Flynn made the call in the first place. That also explains why Flynn resigned. He knows, and the president knows, exactly why this looks bad.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ndone-by-a-phone-call/?utm_term=.6f8f15db3923

U.S. officials who read the transcript of the phone conversation told The Washington Post Flynn's communications with Kislyak was potentially illegal and that Kislyak could assume the discussion meant Moscow could expect a reprieve from sanctions imposed by Obama's administration. Other U.S. officials said that while sanctions were discussed, they did not see evidence to prove that Flynn had made an explicit promise to take action related to sanctions following the inauguration.
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Reports: Trump's security adviser Michael Flynn talked sanctions with Russia as civilian - UPI.com
 
joG said:
I thought that had already happened. Anyone that is honest with themselves knows and has so for years that Trump talks only figuratively and that nothing he says can be taken literally. Those were the conditions that he got the job on. We are responsible for that and crying "Wolf" is doing the country enormous damage for no rational reason.
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You may be responsible for that, but a large majority of American voters are not (myself included).

By the way, the "enormous damage for no rational reason" is done the second after Trump tweets another lie from the alt-right. When we pretend he didn't mean it, the damage only gets worse.
 
Fenton said:
I wonder if Democrats were surveiled also ? One things for certain, their names and calls werent illegally leaked to WaPo
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So again, just so I understand your position on Trump's claim that Obama ordered wiretaps on Trump Tower, you're saying that the existence of surveillance is the scandal. Yes?
 
Cardinal said:
Has this much time and energy ever gone into refuting such a simple and obvious lie?

You know what? Forget I asked that. I just realized the can of worms that question opens up.

Trump made that tweet to take the eye off the Russia ball, and all he had to do was thoroughly humiliate himself, his team and his party in the process.
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You nailed that one! What is amazingly amusing is that it didn't work.

He's in deeper **** now. I was surprised to hear this morning that a good number of Republicans are on his case now.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ndone-by-a-phone-call/?utm_term=.6f8f15db3923
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Erm... Yeah, that's not new. The target of surveillance was the Russian ambassador... and anyone with half a brain should have known that Kislyak's phone was tapped.

So basically, yes, anyone from the Trump campaign or White House who is calling known Russian intelligence agents is going to be caught on tape. They are certainly going to FBI and DoJ investigators -- but generally speaking, the President rarely looks at raw intel unless it's really, really critical. And yeah, that's not a great reason to be caught by surveillance efforts.

I.e. Trump's claim that "Obama tappped my wires!" is still bunk.
 
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