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Tillerson Used Email Alias as Exxon CEO to Talk Climate Change

humbolt said:
We don't know who you are. If his product is destroying global ecosystems, you have an equal hand in it's destruction because you willingly use those products.
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I'm not the CEO of a major corporation.
 
Verax said:
I'm not the CEO of a major corporation.
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I'm not in the slightest bit interested in your occupation, but I have no way to verify your assertion. And you most certainly are contributing to the destruction of ecosystems because you're using the very same products Exxon produces in your life every day.
 
humbolt said:
I'm not in the slightest bit interested in your occupation, but I have no way to verify your assertion. And you most certainly are contributing to the destruction of ecosystems because you're using the very same products Exxon produces in your life every day.
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If you have to resort to this kind of argument, I think it's safe to say you lost. What Rex did was unethical and he's a slimy member of the swamp.
 
Verax said:
If you have to resort to this kind of argument, I think it's safe to say you lost. What Rex did was unethical and he's a slimy member of the swamp.
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If you have to resort to claiming someone is unethical without offering even a hint of reasoning, I'd say you lost. And you still contribute to the destruction of the ecosystem even though you refuse to recognize your part in it, but glory in blaming others for the very thing you are using right now to decry them. Talk about hypocrisy - geeze.
 
humbolt said:
If you have to resort to claiming someone is unethical without offering even a hint of reasoning, I'd say you lost. And you still contribute to the destruction of the ecosystem even though you refuse to recognize your part in it, but glory in blaming others for the very thing you are using right now to decry them. Talk about hypocrisy - geeze.
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I have painfully explained my reasoning but you blew right past that and instead decided to make this about me and what my impact on the environment is.
 
Verax said:
I have painfully explained my reasoning but you blew right past that and instead decided to make this about me and what my impact on the environment is.
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I've noticed no pain. You simply declared maintaining an anonymus email account unethical. You brought up the destruction of the ecosystem - not me. I've merely noted that you refuse to admit your role in the destruction you claim.
 
Verax said:
It's okay to use an alias. It's okay to have multiple email accounts. It's okay to be anonymous.

It's NOT okay to create a fake identity while acting as the CEO of a major corporation to hide communications involving environmental concerns which have a direct link to a product your company is producing.
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I like Tillerson, and always did. I was good with him getting tapped into this role. That said, I completely understand your point and agree with you. I don't think the CEO of any organization should be making fake email accounts to manipulate official organization messages. I wish he hadn't done this and I think he owes an explanation to the shareholders, one of whom is me.

I also am shaking my head at the comical comparison of Tillerson's actions to you being an anonymous poster on this message board. I gather to the Trump devotees, DP is no different than the largest corporation in the world.
 
humbolt said:
I've noticed no pain. You simply declared maintaining an anonymus email account unethical. You brought up the destruction of the ecosystem - not me. I've merely noted that you refuse to admit your role in the destruction you claim.
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Apparently you missed this.

Verax said:
It's okay to use an alias. It's okay to have multiple email accounts. It's okay to be anonymous.

It's NOT okay to create a fake identity while acting as the CEO of a major corporation to hide communications involving environmental concerns which have a direct link to a product your company is producing.
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Verax said:
Apparently you missed this.
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Saw it and responded to it. As a private citizen, Tillerson is free to do all of those things, and BTW Tillerson is a believer in climate change. Exxon is an industry leader in efforts to mitigate the effects of emissions and effectively reduce them, and greatly expanded their efforts in that regard under Tillerson.
 
Chillfolks said:
If laws were broke on handling information congress requested that is an issue.

A CEO having an email in a name other than his legal one is not.
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No it's not illegal provided record retention laws are complied with and the email can be tied back to an individual if needed for law enforcement purposes.

In this case ExxonMobil is being investigated by the NY District Attorney because of allegations that ExxonMobil misled shareholders on climate change issues. Emails from Tillerson's alias email account were apparently subject to the subpoena and they were apparently not turned over. That could be a problem if it turns out that not turning them over is more than a simple oversight.
 
Gaius46 said:
No it's not illegal provided record retention laws are complied with and the email can be tied back to an individual if needed for law enforcement purposes.

In this case ExxonMobil is being investigated by the NY District Attorney because of allegations that ExxonMobil misled shareholders on climate change issues. Emails from Tillerson's alias email account were apparently subject to the subpoena and they were apparently not turned over. That could be a problem if it turns out that not turning them over is more than a simple oversight.
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My guess would be that it wasn't oversight and it was, in fact, THE reason for creating the account in the first place. Tillerson probably wanted to avoid a repeat of the legal and financial carnage against the tobacco industry when people found out that their own internal research and documents revealed they knew about the health effects of their products all along while actively working to suppress that information and promoting the opposite. Unfortunately for him and for Exxon - people found his off-the-record e-mail account.
 
He was probably just emailing his yoga schedule. That should be a good enough excuse for some here.
 
Verax said:
He created an email account under a fake name to sequester communications about climate change while operating as the CEO of Exxon. The only logical reason to do so would be to try and hide what he was saying which is exactly what happened.
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Plenty of wild speculation there. Lots of people have multiple emails. I am one of them. This is a non story of non stories.

To claim that because someone has 2 or 20 emails they are doing something sinister is a wide stretch.
 
jimbo said:
Plenty of wild speculation there. Lots of people have multiple emails. I am one of them. This is a non story of non stories.

To claim that because someone has 2 or 20 emails they are doing something sinister is a wide stretch.
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Read the story. He created the email specifically for discussing climate change while under a false name.
 
Verax said:
Read the story. He created the email specifically for discussing climate change while under a false name.
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Even if he did, which the article doesn't make clear. It doesn't matter. There can be any number of reasons to use an alternate email name. I have several. Nothing sinister about that. The reason can be that Big Stud 12 is already in use.

Even for the left, this a shorter straw than most.
 
fmw said:
So what?
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We're supposed to be incensed. Hillary maintained a server in her basement and conducted business as SoS, but that wasn't a big deal - she could've been the president and it wouldn't be a problem. We're supposed to get upset about this.
 
jimbo said:
Even if he did, which the article doesn't make clear. It doesn't matter. There can be any number of reasons to use an alternate email name. I have several. Nothing sinister about that. The reason can be that Big Stud 12 is already in use.

Even for the left, this a shorter straw than most.
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LoL the first paragraph.

U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, the former chairman and chief executive of Exxon Mobil Corp, used an alias email address while at the oil company to send and receive information related to climate change and other matters, according to New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman.
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humbolt said:
We're supposed to be incensed. Hillary maintained a server in her basement and conducted business as SoS, but that wasn't a big deal - she could've been the president and it wouldn't be a problem. We're supposed to get upset about this.
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She lost the election, partially over her email impropriety. Yet you still bring it up as though you're an endless victim.
 
And this is news? We are still allowed to have "aliases" on emails aren't we. If not, I am in trouble as I have 3 and none use my name. What are people supposed to do with names like "John Smith"?
Of course, government employees have to follow different rules while at work or concerning work, for transparency issues. But private citizens or employees while on their own time?
Seriously?
 
Napoleon said:
So its shades of the tobacco industry and speaks (not too kindly) of his character.
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How did you feel about Hillary's file server?
 
Verax said:
She lost the election, partially over her email impropriety. Yet you still bring it up as though you're an endless victim.
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Most of the left defended her over an email controversy of far greater seriousness and import than anything Tillerson has done. If Tillerson had been using his secret account in a manner similar to Clinton's use, I'd have a significant problem with it and him. As it is, he didn't, and I don't have a serious problem with it as a result.
 
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