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Donald Trump plays his 'ninth round of golf' in seven weeks as President

Skeptic Bob said:
Frankly, the more time he spends not doing the job of President, the better off we are.
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So what you are saying is that perception is reality in your world and actual results don't matter? I couldn't care less how much golf he plays if the results are generated and so far they are. Businesses are hiring, economic growth is happening, and national security issues are being addressed. while you are worrying about how much golf he is playing the American people are going back to work

Why don't you tell us exactly what Trump has done regarding economic activity, jobs, and national security that really truly bother you and what should he do?
 
Erod said:
Good jobs flying into the economy,
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You don't know much about owning a business do you? No one hires people because a new POTUS is making promises. What Trump has done would not affect small/medium businesses at ALL yet in terms of hiring. Only corporations would care this early. Ans the only reasons they might hire is his promises of lower taxes (which there are already rumours they are delayed) and liberal-style stimulus with huge inventory building promises.

record stock market,
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Oh come on now. There have been tens of thousands of times where the markets hit new record highs. only someone who does not understand equities would say that. And the reason the markets are booming is the same reason that corporations might be hiring - tax cuts (which may not happen) and liberal-style stimulus. Besides, if you really understood macroeconomics - you would know that the Fed is what is stimulating the economy overall...not anything Trump has done.
soaring 401Ks,
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same reason as equity rises lately.
BTW - Trump said over and over how the markets were WAY overpriced before the election. Now he is in power - he has changed his tune. Another typical political liar.
dramatic drop in illegals entering country,
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Don't be absurd. How the hell can you know how many illegals are entering the country. That is IMPOSSIBLE to know for certain and silly to claim.
ISIS cornered and dwindling.......
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Did you just start watching the news last week?

ISIL has been dwindling since the day the Russians started bombing them and IRAQ finally re-grouped. ISIL has been retreating for well over a year now. To take credit for it only lately is an insult to all those who died fighting them before Trump came onboard.

And it is ISIL...not ISIS. ISIS is the terrorist group. ISIL is the nation formed by ISIS. You are extremely ignorant on this subject if you think the end of ISIL means the end of ISIS.




And EVERY economist worth anything is DEAD SET against Trump's MORONIC tariff ideas. WHen he instigates them...the markets will fall and the economy will fall with it. Other than his lower taxes idea....Trump is a macroeconomic ignoramus who is stuck in 1930.


Good day.


Once again, I have ZERO loyalty to any political party or movement.
 
DA60 said:
You don't know much about owning a business do you? No one hires people because a new POTUS is making promises. What Trump has done would not affect small/medium businesses at ALL yet in terms of hiring. Only corporations would care this early. Ans the only reasons they might hire is his promises of lower taxes (which there are already rumours they are delayed) and liberal-style stimulus with huge inventory building promises.

Oh come on now. There have been tens of thousands of times where the markets hit new record highs. only someone who does not understand equities would say that. And the reason the markets are booming is the same reason that corporations might be hiring - tax cuts (which may not happen) and liberal-style stimulus. Besides, if you really understood macroeconomics - you would know that the Fed is what is stimulating the economy overall...not anything Trump has done. same reason as equity rises lately.
BTW - Trump said over and over how the markets were WAY overpriced before the election. Now he is in power - he has changed his tune. Another typical political liar.
Don't be absurd. How the hell can you know how many illegals are entering the country. That is IMPOSSIBLE to know for certain and silly to claim.
Did you just start watching the news last week?

ISIL has been dwindling since the day the Russians started bombing them and IRAQ finally re-grouped. ISIL has been retreating for well over a year now. To take credit for it only lately is an insult to all those who died fighting them before Trump came onboard.

And it is ISIL...not ISIS. ISIS is the terrorist group. ISIL is the nation formed by ISIS. You are extremely ignorant on this subject if you think the end of ISIL means the end of ISIS.




And EVERY economist worth anything is DEAD SET against Trump's MORONIC tariff ideas. WHen he instigates them...the markets will fall and the economy will fall with it. Other than his lower taxes idea....Trump is a macroeconomic ignoramus who is stuck in 1930.


Good day.


Once again, I have ZERO loyalty to any political party or movement.
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Why is it that every option out there is turned into an actual bill or fact? Everything proposed or reported to be proposed is a done deal. Nothing is official and until it is speculation is all that is happening.

Further with regard to the stock market and the economy. I posted comments from business leaders showing the exuberance after the election and there is a reason that the market went over 21000. I already gave Obama credit for him because it was his policies that led to the GOP capturing the Congress and the WH so to say this isn't a Trump rally is nothing more than partisan rhetoric coming from someone who claims to have no allegiance to any political party. How do you explain the numbers we are seeing today?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Yep, only a buffoon would dare assume that a transcript of a call made from their phone was the result of it being tapped.

Those that are so quick to blame the actions of some deplorable Trump supporters on Trump are sure slow to blame Obama for the actions of Obama administration employees. ;)
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I don't agree with John McCain on much at all but I do agree with McCain when he states that Trump needs to show what evidence he has to back up his accusation against Obama, or else retract his accusation

https://www.yahoo.com/news/mccain-s...im-provide-evidence-or-retract-153201227.html
 
Erod said:
Good jobs flying into the economy, record stock market, soaring 401Ks, dramatic drop in illegals entering country, ISIS cornered and dwindling.......

You're better off than you've been in a LONG time already.
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Yep, all those good things have been happening for years and THEN we handed the reigns to Trump.
 
Taylor said:
If you read it and can't figure it out for yourself, this is not something I can help you with.
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I think we have a fake post.... someone who thinks this is some form of debate.
 
Taylor said:
If you read it and can't figure it out for yourself, this is not something I can help you with.
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Actually it is, you can quote the false part and say "Here is the false part".

Can you? Or is this deflectionary tactics?
 
Conservative said:
I already gave Obama credit for him because it was his policies that led to the GOP capturing the Congress and the WH so to say this isn't a Trump rally
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Where exactly did I even once say this is not a 'Trump rally'? Of course it partly is. But the basis of this rally is (other than the proposed tax drop - which may be delayed) is nothing more than nonsense and/or liberal-style stimulus spending. And, of course, the Fed.

How do you explain the numbers we are seeing today?
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Trump has promised to drop taxes and spend like a drunken sailor on infrastructure...Wall Street loves both of these (the former is a good idea - the latter is a stupid one). Plus, Wall Street is still as in love with the Fed's near-ZIRP, ongoing QE and looking-the-other-way-while-the-deficit-goes-nuts policy as it was under Obama.
The markets have been skyrocketing - off and on - ever since the Fed started going crazy (and the Great Recession ended) back in '09. That has almost nothing to do with Obama or Trump directly...except they let them.

March 6, 2009. DOW is at 6,626. Today it is almost 21,000. The markets have been booming for years. And it is almost nothing to do with Obama or Trump. It is 90+% Federal Reserve imo.
If the Fed came out tomorrow saying it has ended QE forever and/or rose interest rates a full point...the 'Trump rally' would come to a gigantic halt - no matter what Trump promised to do.

https://www.google.ca/search?source...aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0j69i61j69i60l2j0.3128j0j8

The 'Trump rally' is nothing more than a continuation of the 'Obama rally'...neither of which has almost anything to do with the real reason for the rally...The United States Federal Reserve.
Just as the EU and the Japanese central banks are desperately trying to keep their rally's going.

This rally started with the Fed, is kept going with the Fed and will end with the Fed (unless Trump does the protectionist/tariff crap he is promising...than it will end no matter what the Fed does, imo).
 
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cuban smokes said:
I addressed this in a different DP thread

Trump is a LIAR = known fact & besides that, when Trump makes accusations that a previous POTUS tapped his wires & has no evidence to back up such an over the top claim, then people (anywhere) will not take Trump seriously.
Trump is a buffoon ..........
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About 20% of America shares your outrage.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
OK, right after the Trump collusion with the Russians allegation is retracted. ;)
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I agree that absolutely should be retracted if there is no evidence. I think the investigation will give us the answer about that.

But it's hard to level set that against Trump's Tweets last week. Either he has evidence to back up his claims, or he doesn't. He declaratively said that Obama tapped his phones, no ambiguity about it. I like to see evidence of crimes when someone is accused of one. Don't you?
 
DA60 said:
Where exactly did I even once say this is not a 'Trump rally'? Of course it partly is. But the basis of this rally is (other than the proposed tax drop - which may be delayed) is nothing more than nonsense and/or liberal-style stimulus spending.



How many times do I have to explain it?

Trump has promised to drop taxes and spend like a drunken sailor on infrastructure...Wall Street loves both of these (the former is a good idea - the latter is a stupid one). Plus, Wall Street is still as in love with the Fed's near-ZIRP, ongoing QE and looking-the-other-way-while-the-deficit-goes-nuts policy.
The markets have been skyrocketing - off and on - ever since the Fed started going crazy (and the Great Recession ended) back in '09. That has almost nothing to do with Obama or Trump directly...except they let them.

March 6, 2009. DOW is at 6,626. Today it is almost 21,000. The markets have been booming for years. And it is almost nothing to do with Obama or Trump. It is 90+% Federal Reserve imo.
If the Fed came out tomorrow saying it has ended QE forever and rose interest rates a full point...the 'Trump rally' would come to a gigantic halt.

https://www.google.ca/search?source...aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0j69i61j69i60l2j0.3128j0j8

The 'Trump rally' is nothing more than a continuation of the 'Obama rally'...neither of which has almost anything to do with the real reason for the rally...The United States Federal Reserve.
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Trump has promised strong economic growth from those lower taxes and when that strong growth occurs govt. revenue will grow. What do you think is going to happen with a 15-20% corporate tax rate?

Yes, the markets have been booming for years but the American people in general haven't benefited, the rich have gotten richer and the Democratic Party abandoned the middle class. The promise of economic growth through tax reduction and regulation relief is what is propelling the economy today. Cheap money allowed businesses to buy back their stock which is why the stock market has risen. Now the focus is on growth and expansion not stock buy backs. Sorry you feel this is a continuation of the Obama rally because the facts just don't support that with the 1.6% GDP Growth last year. The only thing Obama did was give us a GOP Congress with his policies. That is reality
 
cuban smokes said:
Donald Trump plays his 'ninth round of golf' in seven weeks as President

Donald Trump plays his 'ninth round of golf' in seven weeks as President | The Independent


Donald Trump might have routinely relished in lambasting Barack Obama for playing golf but it seems he also has a penchant for the sport. The President has reportedly played golf nine times in the seven weeks he has held office.


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Don Cheeto loves to play with his balls ............ gotta get away from the pressure of being POTUS .............
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The more often he's waddling around the golf course the less often he's on breitbart and deciding to cause some new form of chaos as a result. As a matter of fact would it be possible to just keep him there and tell him he's president?
 
DA60 said:
Where exactly did I even once say this is not a 'Trump rally'? Of course it partly is. But the basis of this rally is (other than the proposed tax drop - which may be delayed) is nothing more than nonsense and/or liberal-style stimulus spending. And, of course, the Fed.



Trump has promised to drop taxes and spend like a drunken sailor on infrastructure...Wall Street loves both of these (the former is a good idea - the latter is a stupid one). Plus, Wall Street is still as in love with the Fed's near-ZIRP, ongoing QE and looking-the-other-way-while-the-deficit-goes-nuts policy as it was under Obama.
The markets have been skyrocketing - off and on - ever since the Fed started going crazy (and the Great Recession ended) back in '09. That has almost nothing to do with Obama or Trump directly...except they let them.

March 6, 2009. DOW is at 6,626. Today it is almost 21,000. The markets have been booming for years. And it is almost nothing to do with Obama or Trump. It is 90+% Federal Reserve imo.
If the Fed came out tomorrow saying it has ended QE forever and/or rose interest rates a full point...the 'Trump rally' would come to a gigantic halt - no matter what Trump promised to do.

https://www.google.ca/search?source...aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0j69i61j69i60l2j0.3128j0j8

The 'Trump rally' is nothing more than a continuation of the 'Obama rally'...neither of which has almost anything to do with the real reason for the rally...The United States Federal Reserve.
Just as the EU and the Japanese central banks are desperately trying to keep their rally's going.

This rally started with the Fed, is kept going with the Fed and will end with the Fed (unless Trump does the protectionist/tariff crap he is promising...than it will end no matter what the Fed does, imo).
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Not sure this is a Trump rally. However I have called it a Hillary lost relief rally. Do you believe that GS would be $250 or BAC would be $25 today with Hillary in office? Do you think the market would be higher now than 11/7 with the prospect of a more hawkish Fed and Hillary's promised HIGHER corporate taxes?
 
Conservative said:
Trump has promised strong economic growth from those lower taxes and when that strong growth occurs govt. revenue will grow. What do you think is going to happen with a 15-20% corporate tax rate?

Yes, the markets have been booming for years but the American people in general haven't benefited, the rich have gotten richer and the Democratic Party abandoned the middle class. The promise of economic growth through tax reduction and regulation relief is what is propelling the economy today. Cheap money allowed businesses to buy back their stock which is why the stock market has risen. Now the focus is on growth and expansion not stock buy backs. Sorry you feel this is a continuation of the Obama rally because the facts just don't support that with the 1.6% GDP Growth last year. The only thing Obama did was give us a GOP Congress with his policies. That is reality
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Did you not read what I typed?

This is NOT an Obama rally continuation primarily. This is not a Trump rally primarily.

THIS IS 90+% A FEDERAL RESERVE rally...has been since at least '09.

No offense man, but you and most Americans (and most economists apparently) keep giving the POTUS's WAY too much credit. The Fed is what is powering the economy...not Obama nor Trump. But Obamabots and now Trumpbots (I am NOT calling you a Trumpbot - I have much more respect for you than that) refuse to look at the facts and just have to believe that their messiah's are the answer.

Both Obama and Trump have proven time and again to be complete and total macroeconomic ignoramuses.

Trump seemed to sort of get it before the election. But now he has proven that he didn't. He kept knocking the unemployment rate and the new jobs created and the equity booms under Obama (and he was partly right).
But now that they are all on his watch - he says they are fantastic. What a tremendous hypocrite.

BTW - I am a fundamentalist. I despise this Fed rally (though I have done alright financially with it).
 
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tres borrachos said:
I agree that absolutely should be retracted if there is no evidence. I think the investigation will give us the answer about that.

But it's hard to level set that against Trump's Tweets last week. Either he has evidence to back up his claims, or he doesn't. He declaratively said that Obama tapped his phones, no ambiguity about it. I like to see evidence of crimes when someone is accused of one. Don't you?
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OK - you go first and show me some evidence of Trump/Russian "election rigging" collusion.

If there is no evidence then the charge will not matter. Many folks have been found not guilty of a crime (or never even charged) and yet their accuser is not held accountable in 99.9% of cases.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Why does every President play golf?

The only fun part of it is driving the golf carts around and hitting the balls while hanging out the side.

And then running away when the ground crew starts chasing you.
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I want a president that plays disc golf.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
OK - you go first and show me some evidence of Trump/Russian "election rigging" collusion.

If there is no evidence then the charge will not matter. Many folks have been found not guilty of a crime (or never even charged) and yet their accuser is not held accountable in 99.9% of cases.
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1. I can't for a few reasons. One, I never said he was colluding with the Russians. Never even hinted it. Two, I don't know what evidence I would have even if it turns out that he was colluding with the Russians.

2. If there's no evidence that Obama committed a crime, we should just ignore the accusation and lie from the sitting President? Hmmm.....I wonder how many Americans would agree with you (besides the obvious Trump devotees).
 
washunut said:
Not sure this is a Trump rally. However I have called it a Hillary lost relief rally. Do you believe that GS would be $250 or BAC would be $25 today with Hillary in office? Do you think the market would be higher now than 11/7 with the prospect of a more hawkish Fed and Hillary's promised HIGHER corporate taxes?
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I think the markets would be rallying with Clinton or Trump...but probably a bit more with Trump because of his lower tax promises. They both promised to spend a ton.

Remember please, Clinton was buddies BIG TIME with Wall Street. She would not have done anything they hated - and they knew it. Just look what happened on election night when Trump first won...the markets tanked like crazy...they wanted Hillary.

But then they woke up and realized they overreacted and all was well again because the Fed was in charge of things still and Trump was going to spend like mad AND lower taxes.


BTW - I am a fundamentalist. I despise this Fed rally (though I have done alright financially with it).
 
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tres borrachos said:
1. I can't for a few reasons. One, I never said he was colluding with the Russians. Never even hinted it. Two, I don't know what evidence I would have even if it turns out that he was colluding with the Russians.

2. If there's no evidence that Obama committed a crime, we should just ignore the accusation and lie from the sitting President? Hmmm.....I wonder how many Americans would agree with you (besides the obvious Trump devotees).
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1) Why do you support an investigation of that "no evidence" charge then? 2) Won't the investigation suffice as you say it will for #1?
 
DA60 said:
Did you not read what I typed?

This is NOT an Obama rally continuation primarily. This is not a Trump rally primarily.

THIS IS 90+% A FEDERAL RESERVE rally...has been since at least '09.

No offense man, but you and most Americans (and most economists apparently) keep giving the POTUS's WAY too much credit. The Fed is what is powering the economy...not Obama nor Trump. But Obamabots and now Trumpbots (I am not calling you a Trumpbot) refuse to look at the facts and just have to believe that their messiah's are the answer.

Both Obama and Trump have proven time and again to be complete and total macroeconomic ignoramuses.

Trump seemed to sort of get it before the election. But now he has proven that he didn't. He kept knocking the unemployment rate and the new jobs created and the equity booms under Obama (and he was partly right).
But now that they are all on his watch - he says they are fantastic. What a tremendous hypocrite.

BTW - I am a fundamentalist. I despise this Fed rally (though I have done alright financially with it).
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This is exactly what you said

The 'Trump rally' is nothing more than a continuation of the 'Obama rally'
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So all of a sudden, November 8 the Fed decided to pump more money into the markets, businesses hired more manufacturing, healthcare, mining, and Construction jobs? Trump hasn't proposed a budget yet you claim he has exploded the deficit and is spending like a drunken sailor, that is your opinion but you are doing exactly what the left is doing speculating based upon your opinion of what is going to happen.

There are many ways to fund the Trump infrastructure projects without busting the budget. there are also may ways to grow the govt. revenue without raising taxes. You claim he seemed to get it before the election but now with no budget, no spending plan in place he somehow doesn't get it any more??

As you stated he was "partly" right regarding the jobs numbers because the context is what matters. Totals were being touted but not the quality, not the under employment, and certainly not the discouraged workers.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
1) Why do you support an investigation of that "no evidence" charge then? 2) Won't the investigation suffice as you say it will for #1?
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1. Can you point to my posts where I called for any investigations?

2. Trump already has the proof, or he wouldn't have made the accusation.
 
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