Scottish independence: Nicola Sturgeon to seek second referendum

Nicola Sturgeon has confirmed she will ask for permission to hold a second referendum on Scottish independence.

Ms Sturgeon said she wanted a vote to be held between the autumn of 2018 and the spring of the following year.
The Scottish first minister said the move was needed to protect Scottish interests in the wake of the UK voting to leave the EU.
She said she would ask the Scottish Parliament next week to request a Section 30 order from Westminster.
The order would be needed to allow a fresh legally-binding referendum on independence to be held. Link.

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I think this time, Scotland will vote for Independence. A further demonstration of the can of worms that Brexit is going to do to this country.

We may equally see a United Ireland as those parts of the UK that voted "Remain" will seek to rejoin the EU once the Brexit process is done.

Momentous times for the UK - here's the thread on united Ireland

https://www.debatepolitics.com/europe/280661-united-ireland.html

What are the chances that the PM allows the referendum? Why not just deny the motion so there's no vote?

PoS said:

What are the chances that the PM allows the referendum? Why not just deny the motion so there's no vote?

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That would probably come across as rather undemocratic.

Infinite Chaos said:

I think this time, Scotland will vote for Independence. A further demonstration of the can of worms that Brexit is going to do to this country.

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Current polling suggests otherwise; https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/01/27/why-have-polls-not-shown-shift-towards-scottish-in/

It seems clear that the SNP wants a quick independence referendum so they can replay the fear tactic of how bad they’ll claim Brexit will be rather than having to work with what is likely to be a much less dramatic reality. There’s some significant dishonesty here (or worse, incompetence) in the fantasy that a newly independent Scotland would either automatically remain or would be able to easily (re)join the EU, compounded by the facts that even if there was a “Yes” result in for Scottish independences at the end of 2018, that divorce process couldn’t be realistically be completed before the Brexit one, thus Scotland would ultimately leave a UK that was already outside the EU.

It’s a long shot but it would also be possible that the Brexit negotiations are such a disaster that Brexit is cancelled or postponed, in which case on independence, Scotland end’s up leaving the UK and the EU.

From the position of a rational neutral, it seems obvious that it’s ridiculous to complicate both questions by crossing them over in this manner and the only reason anyone would have to suggest that would be an attempt to further complicate the situation and thus further confuse the voters. It would be perfectly reasonable to offer the Scottish people (well, residents) the option of a referendum after it’s clear what Brexit really means but before that it’s just wrong.

Infinite Chaos said:

We may equally see a United Ireland as those parts of the UK that voted "Remain" will seek to rejoin the EU once the Brexit process is done.

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I think I pointed out to you in that thread that again, polling in NI doesn’t show a strong desire for a united Ireland, even among Republicans. Further devolution is the more likely direction there, though as things stand, any significant shifts are some way off. Sadly, stagnation remains on the cards for the foreseeable future.

HonestJoe said:

~ I think I pointed out to you in that thread that again ~

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I don't recall being quoted by you recently before this post?

Infinite Chaos said:

I don't recall being quoted by you recently before this post?

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My mistake. I responded to the OP in the NI thread and I wrongly thought that was you because you referenced it here and made the same kind of error in assessing the political environment. I did say "I think".