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US Commander Takes Full Responsibility for SEAL Raid in Yemen

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apdst said:
Did President Trump Plan the mission? You were in the service. You know better.
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The best commanders and NCOs give credit to their troops when things go well and accept responsibility when things go bad.

Now, I am not naive enough to expect the same behavior from Presidents. But if a President is going to take credit when things go well, which they almost all do, then they better accept responsibility when it goes bad.

I made the same point with Obama and previous Presidents as well. But right now Trump is on the receiving end because right now he is the C-in-C.
 
BrewerBob said:
Yemen raid: Gen. Votel takes full responsibility for mission - CNNPolitics.com

Take notes, Trump. That is how a real leader acts when things go bad.
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A month in a half after refusing to take responsibility IS REAL LEADERSHIP...
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Ok real talk, you've got a front line employee, that employee's manager, and then way up the chain is the CEO.

If the front line employee gets high and screws up a customer's order, is the CEO responsible? When does "the buck stops at management" become absurd? Granted I'm not surprised that this person who dodged responsibility for nearly seven weeks is being hailed as a leader. The Trump haters praised the Berkeley rioters for their peaceful demonstrations.
 
BrewerBob said:
Yemen raid: Gen. Votel takes full responsibility for mission - CNNPolitics.com

Take notes, Trump. That is how a real leader acts when things go bad.
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You won't read it in the article but the accompanying video interview discloses that the intel take was huge and included information on hundreds of contacts as well as other operational information. That kind of intel is exactly why such raids are conducted. While this operation didn't go exactly by the numbers the primary objective was accomplished.
 
reinoe said:
A month in a half after refusing to take responsibility IS REAL LEADERSHIP...
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Ok real talk, you've got a front line employee, that employee's manager, and then way up the chain is the CEO.

If the front line employee gets high and screws up a customer's order, is the CEO responsible? When does "the buck stops at management" become absurd? Granted I'm not surprised that this person who dodged responsibility for nearly seven weeks is being hailed as a leader. The Trump haters praised the Berkeley rioters for their peaceful demonstrations.
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You comparing say a Subway counter person to a Soldier on a mission approved by the President? Get real.
 
JANFU said:
You comparing say a Subway counter person to a Soldier on a mission approved by the President? Get real.
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Did Trump personally plan the mission in any way? Did Trump personally train the soldiers? What was Trump's direct involvement other than receiving the lies the general told him? Trump said he would listen to his generals, and if his generals are lying to him and allowing their soldiers to be killed just to score political points then what is Trump supposed to do? Joseph Votel possibly gave Trump false information about the mission in order to gain approval.
 
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reinoe said:
A month in a half after refusing to take responsibility IS REAL LEADERSHIP...
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Ok real talk, you've got a front line employee, that employee's manager, and then way up the chain is the CEO.

If the front line employee gets high and screws up a customer's order, is the CEO responsible? When does "the buck stops at management" become absurd? Granted I'm not surprised that this person who dodged responsibility for nearly seven weeks is being hailed as a leader. The Trump haters praised the Berkeley rioters for their peaceful demonstrations.
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In the military you don't speak to the press until cleared to do so.
 
BrewerBob said:
Yes, seriously. You just posted a link to another example of ****ty behavior by a C-in-C. This isn't a partisan issue to me. I am a retired military officer myself. When my soldiers did wrong you better believe they got their asses chewed. But that stayed between us. Publicly and up the chain I took the hit for it.
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As any leader worth the title would do.
 
reinoe said:
A month in a half after refusing to take responsibility IS REAL LEADERSHIP...
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Ok real talk, you've got a front line employee, that employee's manager, and then way up the chain is the CEO.

If the front line employee gets high and screws up a customer's order, is the CEO responsible? When does "the buck stops at management" become absurd? Granted I'm not surprised that this person who dodged responsibility for nearly seven weeks is being hailed as a leader. The Trump haters praised the Berkeley rioters for their peaceful demonstrations.
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No, I don't expect the same level of honor from corporate leadership as I do from those who lead our military or law enforcement organizations.
 
reinoe said:
Did Trump personally plan the mission in any way? Did Trump personally train the soldiers? What was Trump's direct involvement other than receiving the lies the general told him? Trump said he would listen to his generals, and if his generals are lying to him and allowing their soldiers to be killed just to score political points then what is Trump supposed to do? Joseph Votel possibly gave Trump false information about the mission in order to gain approval.
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Now the Generals lied to him. What is it with Trump supporters. Do facts ever come into play?
 
Mac77 said:
If it was the general's raid then he should take full responsibiliy

Trump had nothing to do with it but stll met the fallen Seal at Dover
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:doh Oh God ... is the standard RW default ...

I can't wait to hear the excuses over Healthcare ...
 
Mac77 said:
If it was the general's raid then he should take full responsibiliy

Trump had nothing to do with it but stll met the fallen Seal at Dover
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And behold, so shall we praise the brave and heroic efforts of the mighty god emperor, who though not endowed with hands of significant stature, still doth mightly throweth his generals and military beneath the bus.
 
BrewerBob said:
No, I don't expect the same level of honor from corporate leadership as I do from those who lead our military or law enforcement organizations.
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There is no honor in lying.
 
BrewerBob said:
Yes, seriously. You just posted a link to another example of ****ty behavior by a C-in-C. This isn't a partisan issue to me. I am a retired military officer myself. When my soldiers did wrong you better believe they got their asses chewed. But that stayed between us. Publicly and up the chain I took the hit for it.
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But it kinda is, as all this **** you people keep posting, like this, the carson thing, etc, are all **** you all were not concerned about when your guy was in office is now suddenly YUUUUGE issues.
 
Mac77 said:
If it was the general's raid then he should take full responsibiliy

Trump had nothing to do with it but stll met the fallen Seal at Dover
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Those types of missions requires the CoC to sign off on. Trump signed off on it.
 
Cigar said:
:doh Oh God ... is the standard RW default ...

I can't wait to hear the excuses over Healthcare ...
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Until liberals started their smear campaign against trump I didnt see any reason to point fingers at anyone

The raid resulted in the death of a Navy Seal

Thats too bad but it happens in war

For the gerneral to take responsibility for a mission that he conducted does not mean he should be punished

because I don't think he did anything wrong
 
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