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WikiLeaks releases 'entire hacking capacity of the CIA'

Midwest Lib said:
I respect Snowden and what he did to shine light on the practices of the NSA. I voted for Obama twice, but one of my biggest complaints was his continuation of Bush era policies that I find to be detrimental to the American people such as this. If this leak turns out to be similar(and true/accurate> and shines light on similar or worse behavior I believe the nation will be better for it, regardless of who it hurts or helps politically.
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Thank you for letting us know you support putting US Soldiers lives in danger for political hackery.
 
Meanwhile, CNN isn't apparently interested in this story. If it's on their website, I don't see it.
 
danarhea said:
Of course you are. It was Obama's spy program. Authoritarians will support things like this that put the boot on the neck of freedom, even if those ideas come from the opposite party. You just proved it.
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The **** are you on about? Seriously... the **** are you on about Danarhea? This conclusion you are drawing is astoundingly without evidence, even for you.
 
BrewerBob said:
It would only violate their authority if the CIA used it to target American citizens or people inside the United States.
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that is where the majority of iphone and android users are.

not to mention the hacks on TV Microsoft etc...

this is very disturbing and it should be investigated to see what is going on and if these things are true then arrests need to be made.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
This allows the CIA, if the wrong person assumes control, to essentially be a "turn key tyrant."
I'd rather they not half this capability, than to have.
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I agree with that statement wholeheartedly. It's bad IT Practice to allow zero day exploits to go "unfixed", that's bad for EVERYONE. That right there, bad juju all around. I again, do not like these sorts of leaks done this way. It exposes too much, encourages "heroes!" to expose stuff, sometimes it serves a good cause, but there's always that "what else" did they do, expose, release to the world? Snowden for example, did one good thing, domestic wiretapping release, while handing over millions of documents unrelated, harming our military and putting American lives at risk. Many bad things.

This leaker, I think this information is good, in that it will shut down a bad program, but what ELSE do they have, what ELSE is being released? That's my concern.
 
Renae said:
The **** are you on about? Seriously... the **** are you on about Danarhea? This conclusion you are drawing is astoundingly without evidence, even for you.
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TIME FOR A DANARHEA TOP 10:

1) Our government spies on the American people.

2) Bush did it.

3) Obama expanded that program.

4) Wikileaks and Snowden expose it.

5) You choose to defend Obama on it.

6) Authoritarians who hate freedom are all on the same page with you.

7) And no evidence? Snowden showed plenty of evidence.

8) But authoritarians like yourself ignore the evidence, and want to prosecute the leakers who brought the spying to light.

9) Authoritarians like yourself will make up their own stories about soldiers being put at risk as an excuse to go after the leakers, even though there is no evidence that soldiers died.

10) Authoritarians like yourself will be authoritarians. It's your nature.
 
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Renae said:
True, but it's only part of it, how deep is the mole and how damaging is their information? This stuff that's been released, this protects consumers, by exposing zero day vulnerabilities are being left "out there" which is BAD. But I do not like these sort of releases this way, it encourages such, and ultimately degrades our National Security, which I still believe is quite needed to protect our country.
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sorry that is absolute mush.

these types of releases are the only thing that keeps our government honest.
this has to do with national security alright and how the US government is trying to
thwart our constitution and our freedoms through the use of domestic hacking.

this violates several constitutional protections and people need to answer for it.
not cover this up. this happened under Obama and his administration is responsible for it.
 
Renae said:
I agree with that statement wholeheartedly. It's bad IT Practice to allow zero day exploits to go "unfixed", that's bad for EVERYONE. That right there, bad juju all around. I again, do not like these sorts of leaks done this way. It exposes too much, encourages "heroes!" to expose stuff, sometimes it serves a good cause, but there's always that "what else" did they do, expose, release to the world? Snowden for example, did one good thing, domestic wiretapping release, while handing over millions of documents unrelated, harming our military and putting American lives at risk. Many bad things.

This leaker, I think this information is good, in that it will shut down a bad program, but what ELSE do they have, what ELSE is being released? That's my concern.
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It's either this or we rely on the "honor" system and that they will correct themselves.
Unfortunately, these leaks show that the honor system isn't working.
 
danarhea said:
I am glad for any information released by Wikileaks that exposes our government's spying on it's own citizens. Obama promised he would end the Bush program of spying. Instead he made it bigger than Bush could have imagined in his wildest wet dreams. And yes, this is going to be mostly on Obama. Good for Wikileaks. Leaks like this are the light that causes the cockroaches to scatter.
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There's a reason I called him Bushama. Obama wasn't really all that different from Bush, same status quo government nonsense. I doubt that these leaks will have any affect on the course of government, despite it seizing too much power and essentially destroying the 4th.
 
Ikari said:
There's a reason I called him Bushama. Obama wasn't really all that different from Bush, same status quo government nonsense. I doubt that these leaks will have any affect on the course of government, despite it seizing too much power and essentially destroying the 4th.
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Actually, Obama was much worse than Bush in this area.
 
danarhea said:
1) Our government spies on the American people.

2) Bush did it.

3) Obama expanded that program.

4) Wikileaks and Snowden expose it.

5) You choose to defend Obama on it.

6) Authoritarians who hate freedom are all on the same page with you.

7) And no evidence? Snowden showed plenty of evidence.
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The **** are you on about.

Seriously.

I never had a problem with ending the domestic wire tapping, in fact I've REPEATEDLY said it's good that was shut down. I have always argued how Snowden did it, and THE OTHER INFORMATION HE TOOK AND HANDED TO RUSSIA AND CHINA, the stuff people like you completely ignore... was the problem.

Which is my concern here in this case, what ELSE is out there, what ELSE will be exposed, used to ensure this leakers safety if they decide to flee or what not? Will this put American lives on the line?

So, now that we've established you're being utterly dishonest about my position, the question stands: What the **** are you on about?
 
Renae said:
The **** are you on about.

Seriously.

I never had a problem with ending the domestic wire tapping, in fact I've REPEATEDLY said it's good that was shut down. I have always argued how Snowden did it, and THE OTHER INFORMATION HE TOOK AND HANDED TO RUSSIA AND CHINA, the stuff people like you completely ignore... was the problem.

Which is my concern here in this case, what ELSE is out there, what ELSE will be exposed, used to ensure this leakers safety if they decide to flee or what not? Will this put American lives on the line?

So, now that we've established you're being utterly dishonest about my position, the question stands: What the **** are you on about?
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Not being dishonest about your position. Matter of fact, I don't have to be dishonest about your position. You have already shown your position all on your own.
 
Renae said:
Thank you for letting us know you support putting US Soldiers lives in danger for political hackery.
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Ok,, despite the lack of respect coming from you (after honestly and respectfully answering a question you posted earlier) for no reason whatsoever, Iam going to attempt to further the conversation. I obviously don't support putting any of our countrymen or women in harms way. I also don't support over-reaching Orwellian surveillance programs. I believe the amount of power and control that can come from that kind of reach is far more damaging than many external threats. I realize that may be cold. I feel for every military family that has faced a loss, but we also need to know that we are able to live our own lives, privately in our own homes. To me, that takes precedence. How that makes me a hack is confusing to me however, as I am consistently on the side of public knowledge as opposed to being on the side that I voted for.
 
ludin said:
sorry that is absolute mush.

these types of releases are the only thing that keeps our government honest.
this has to do with national security alright and how the US government is trying to
thwart our constitution and our freedoms through the use of domestic hacking.

this violates several constitutional protections and people need to answer for it.
not cover this up. this happened under Obama and his administration is responsible for it.
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And if this person releases information that get's American's killed, what then? Oh well?
 
Midwest Lib said:
Ok,, despite the lack of respect coming from you (after honestly and respectfully answering a question you posted earlier) for no reason whatsoever, Iam going to attempt to further the conversation. I obviously don't support putting any of our countrymen or women in harms way. I also don't support over-reaching Orwellian surveillance programs. I believe the amount of power and control that can come from that kind of reach is far more damaging than many external threats. I realize that may be cold. I feel for every military family that has faced a loss, but we also need to know that we are able to live our own lives, privately in our own homes. To me, that takes precedence. How that makes me a hack is confusing to me however, as I am consistently on the side of public knowledge as opposed to being on the side that I voted for.
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Snowden released a small portion of what he took, the domestic spying, and handed our enemies millions of documents on Armed Forces intelligence gathering and secure communications to ensure his own passage to a non-extradition country.

That is, and always will be, my beef with that disaster, respecting Snowden is IMHO... disgusting.
 
Renae said:
And if this person releases information that get's American's killed, what then? Oh well?
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people get killed all the time. losing freedom is not worth covering up.
there is no defense of the government on this issue.

what they were doing is highly unconstitutional and people were not aware of it.
these programs are illegal for the most part.

people should be going to jail for this stuff.
 
Renae said:
And if this person releases information that get's American's killed, what then? Oh well?
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Your anger should be directed at the government, not the leaker. If the government wasn't doing anything wrong, the situation wouldn't have arisen in the first place. We are, on some level, going to be dependent upon moral whistleblowers to bring attention to government misdeeds, and it is the government which is responsible for those misdeeds.
 
But.... but, there is no warrant... they can't possible have done anything...
 
Renae said:
Snowden released a small portion of what he took, the domestic spying, and handed our enemies millions of documents on Armed Forces intelligence gathering and secure communications to ensure his own passage to a non-extradition country.

That is, and always will be, my beef with that disaster, respecting Snowden is IMHO... disgusting.
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what is more disgusting is the violated rights of the entire American populace through that domestic spying program.
to me that is a high crime of office. yet no one was held accountable for it.
 
Ikari said:
Your anger should be directed at the government, not the leaker. If the government wasn't doing anything wrong, the situation wouldn't have arisen in the first place. We are, on some level, going to be dependent upon moral whistleblowers to bring attention to government misdeeds, and it is the government which is responsible for those misdeeds.
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yep trying to place blame on anyone but the government is wrong at this point.

then people wonder why Americans distrust their government so much.
 
Renae said:
Snowden released a small portion of what he took, the domestic spying, and handed our enemies millions of documents on Armed Forces intelligence gathering and secure communications to ensure his own passage to a non-extradition country.

That is, and always will be, my beef with that disaster, respecting Snowden is IMHO... disgusting.
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And that's fine...you're entitled to your opinion. I appreciate you taking the time to at least tell me why you think that way. I can even understand why you find his actions to be unpatriotic or even treasonous (Im not going to pretend to know your choice of words here) but to me its much more telling and concerning that he would have to do those things to ensure his own safety. I think what the NSA and US government did to the American people was a far worse offense. I'm not going to pretend to be an expert on national security nor will I pretend to know how many (if any) lives were claimed directly from the actions of Snowden but I do know that we have irrefutable proof of the misdeeds of those in our country...a much bigger threat to my freedom, in my opinion
 
Remeber when they pretended that they couldn't get into the Apple Phone? I love how that played out. They pretended for weeks that apple just wasn't playing nice with them with their super secure phone that they just couldn't get into and then all of a sudden it was no longer a problem. Go figure.
 
ludin said:
what is more disgusting is the violated rights of the entire American populace through that domestic spying program.
to me that is a high crime of office. yet no one was held accountable for it.
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Holy ***t we agree on something. I'm calling today a win :lol:
 
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