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North Korea launches another missile, perhaps one that can reach U.S.

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North Korea may have fired an intercontinental ballistic missile capable of reaching the U.S. mainland, South Korea’s military said Monday morning after it spotted several unidentified projectiles landing in the sea between Japan and the Korean peninsula.

The launch coincides with annual exercises between the United States and South Korean militaries and is considered another display of Pyongyang’s anger about the exercises, which it views as a pretext for an invasion.

The apparent missile was launched from a known long-range missile site on the west coast, not far from the border with China, at 7:36 a.m. local time. It flew more than 600 miles across the country before splashing into the Sea of Japan, Seoul’s Joint Chiefs of Staff said in a text message to local reporters. “We are conducting an analysis on the projectile to determine its type and flight range. It will take a while before we come up with a final analysis,” the joint chiefs said, according to Yonhap News Agency.

South Korea’s national security council convened an emergency meeting to discuss the launch.

In Japan, the government said that it had detected four missiles coming from North Korea and that three had landed perilously close to Japan, splashing down within its exclusive economic zone.

“These missile launches clearly show that North Korea has developed a new threat,” a visibly worried Prime Minister Shinzo Abe told reporters in Tokyo. “We will collect information and strongly protest to North Korea.”

Here's some actual news. Let's hope South Korea is wrong about the second part of the headline.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...fe09cd65831_story.html?utm_term=.fcf005d73d5c
 
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This is kinda' like Trump getting dominated in the media all week, and then Tweeting Obama wire-tapped him!

The acts of desperate impotence.
 

The US would have wished for that technology in the 1940s when it was developing its atomic weapons. I believe the majority of current US war heads and it's balistic missiles were developed with similar technology
 
Senators McCain and Graham recently said they want the US to preemptively strike the DPRK. I'm not sure that would help, unless we effectively eliminate all of their first strike capabilities, which is unlikely. When the US starts wars, it rarely does well.
 
Senators McCain and Graham recently said they want the US to preemptively strike the DPRK. I'm not sure that would help, unless we effectively eliminate all of their first strike capabilities, which is unlikely. When the US starts wars, it rarely does well.

We launch strike on NK, then say goodbye to Seoul, which has hundreds of artillery pieces pointed at it.
 
Launched and shot down?

They test their launchers and the US tests it's interception capabilities?
 
Senators McCain and Graham recently said they want the US to preemptively strike the DPRK. I'm not sure that would help, unless we effectively eliminate all of their first strike capabilities, which is unlikely. When the US starts wars, it rarely does well.


exactly; I have tried & tried to tell people this but for some strange reason they typically don't seem to get it

The US has a much better track record in the wars that we did not initiate and people generally don't seem to get that either

I am under the impression that the general population of the US may not be so bright; just a guess

I know it is true concerning most US politicians ............
 
We launch strike on NK, then say goodbye to Seoul, which has hundreds of artillery pieces pointed at it.

Their fear is that it's only a matter of time before NK strikes first with nukes at the US and conventional at the South. Mainly because Kim Un is becoming more challenged and paranoid. I agree with you that any attack by us will only guarantee that NK obliterates Seoul and our 28k troops. I think the US has secretly installed an advanced ICBM Nuclear deterrent, though not sure it works against nuclear tipped Cruise missiles launched from Subs. They come in low, fast and evasive.
 
exactly; I have tried & tried to tell people this but for some strange reason they typically don't seem to get it

The US has a much better track record in the wars that we did not initiate and people generally don't seem to get that either

I am under the impression that the general population of the US may not be so bright; just a guess

I know it is true concerning most US politicians ............


The US has never lost a war it didn't start. I never lost a fight I didn't start and never won one I did. Something about the amount of conviction instilled by innocence vs guilt.
 
We launch strike on NK, then say goodbye to Seoul, which has hundreds of artillery pieces pointed at it.
Exactly.

NK derives their 'mutual destruction power' from holding Seoul (and others around them) effectively hostage.

This missile launch is merely saber rattling.
 
We launch strike on NK, then say goodbye to Seoul, which has hundreds of artillery pieces pointed at it.

That's the only thing keeping us from fragging that midget lunatic.
 
USN has moved both its Pacific Command fleets forward to North Korea and to the South China Sea in an exceptional deployment.

Third Fleet which operates east of the International Date Line and is based in San Diego has been moved to cover the South China Sea area. Seventh Fleet which operates west of the IDL and is based in Japan has been shifted entirely to concentrate its forces at the Korean peninsula and the Japanese islands. Among the many assets of the fleets, this places two aircraft carrier strike groups in the Western Pacific and East Asia.

Here's some from a report by the U.S. Naval Institute...



‘3rd Fleet Forward’ One of Several Tools to Deter North Korean Aggression


February 22, 2017

SAN DIEGO, Calif. — Navy forces are preparing for a conflict on the Korean Peninsula – the most likely “fight tonight” scenario they face – by shifting U.S. 3rd Fleet forces as well as the most advanced platforms into the Western Pacific.

Vice Adm. Joseph Aucoin, commander of U.S. 7th Fleet, said North Korea is the only country in his area of operations which is not seeing an improved relationship with the United States, and “if there’s a fight tonight, it’s probably going to happen on the Korean Peninsula.”


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USS Ronald Reagan CVN 76 of the 7th Fleet based in Japan is shown underway with ships of USN Destroyer Squadron 23 and a ship of the Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force (Navy).


Of course, North Korea isn’t the only threat the Pacific faces. To allow 7th Fleet to focus more resources on a potential North Korean contingency, U.S. 3rd Fleet is building up its ability to operate forces beyond the International Date Line, in areas of the Western Pacific traditionally commanded by 7th Fleet.

This “3rd Fleet Forward” concept was announced by U.S. Pacific Fleet commander Adm. Scott Swift in 2015, but 3rd Fleet commander Vice Adm. Nora Tyson said at the conference that the North Korean threat was a main driver behind this effort.



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As part of 3rd Fleet Forward, the Carl Vinson Carrier Strike Group 1 arrived in the South China Sea February 17 under 3rd Fleet control.



“If that were the case, the assumption is that [Aucoin] and his team would be pretty busy up there working for Gen. Brooks and managing that problem, and 3rd Fleet would be available to provide that level of [joint task force] three-star commander, be it some scenario, maritime security issue in the South China Sea," Adm. Tyson said. "So we have been working very closely with 7th Fleet, [Aucoin] and his team, and PACFLT to ensure that we have the connective tissue where if something were to happen that 3rd Fleet could very quickly respond, complement [Aucoin] and his team and handle whatever scenario may come to pass in the Pacific theater.”

https://news.usni.org/2017/02/22/3r...everal-tools-to-deter-north-korean-aggression




USS Carl Vinson Aircraft Carrier Strike Group 1 are now deployed in the South China Sea. USS Ronald Reagan Carrier Strike Group 5 based in Japan are deployed off the coast of Korea and Japan. I've read speculation about this but as far as I'm concerned it's just speculation.

The critical indicator before anyone can realistically speculate would be whether a third aircraft carrier and its battle group were to be deployed to the Western Pacific. The Pacific Fleet's third carrier, the USS John Stennis Carrier Strike Group 3 based in Bremerton, Washington, is undergoing modifications until August. U.S. would not need a third carrier strike force present to initiate action, but it would be highly preferred, for sure.

It's long been U.S. military doctrine toward the Korean peninsula is that if the U.S. strikes, it would wipe out all missile capability entirely on one instant and hard strike. It would then be up to Kim Jong Un to decide to accept it or to order a retaliatory strike against the South. A retaliatory strike by Kim would of course cause the immediate and total end of him and all of them.
 
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CCP Dictator-Tyrants in Beijing are taking economic retaliatory actions against South Korea due to the deployment of the Thaad anti-missile defense system in South Korea. CCP Tyrants are suddenly finding all kind of health and safety violations in the CCP against S Korean corporations and products commonly sold in CCP.

The first components of Thaad began arriving yesterday after the test firing of four ICBMs by Pyongyang a few dayze ago. China is furious over Thaad because it radically shifts the strategic advantage of the region to the U.S. Potus Obama approved the Thaad platform for S Korea in July last year....

Obey China or pay tribute in one way or another....


THAAD economic retaliations

Since then, a number of restrictions related to Korean businesses have emerged. The list includes stricter customs regulations, the reduction of chartered flights to Korea, an investigation of the business practices of Korean conglomerates, namely Lotte Group, and unexplained cancellations of K-pop concerts and Korean dramas on TV.

All of these changes have let to accusations that the Chinese government has been taking retaliatory steps against the Korean economy. Earlier this month, China announced that 19 Korean cosmetic products had failed to meet import standards. The reasons cited ranged from ingredient changes to incorrect expiration dates.

One example is related to the reduction of flights and tourism to Korea. Beijing is saying it is related to the government's aim to diversify tourism destinations, so they are saying it is a legal policy. But airlines and travel companies in Korea cannot help but think this sudden change is due to the THAAD situation.

As a member of the WTO, China cannot create unfair trade policies against another country. Therefore, they have to work within the legal regulations, such as enforcing customs documents or enforcing quality and safety regulations and other bureaucratic standards.

With over 25-percent of Korea's exports going to China, there are concerns that hits, however small, could adversely affect the greater Korean economy
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Thaad anti-missile system test firing in USA with flags superimposed of South Korea and China.


According to Robert Manning of the Atlantic Council however...

"If China used economic coercion against North Korea as it is doing to the ROK, the nuclear issue might actually be solved. Privately, they know that THAAD does not compromise their nuclear deterrent," he said. "China can not deny the ROK the ability to defend itself."

China has made a "mistake" by insulting and angering many in the South with its retaliatory measures, he said
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(Yonhap Interview) Redeployment of U.S. nuclear weapons in S. Korea would only make situation worse: expert

CCP Dictator-Tyrants in Beijing are getting pretty good at alienating both all their neighbors throughout the region and alarming nations globally.
 
Makes sense for Japan for sure. Only CCP Dictator-Tyrants in Beijing are speaking and acting in terms of an East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere as it were so there's nothing whatsoever in this thinking to fear about Japan. Japan is interested only in defense against the Raging Crackpot of the East in Pyongyang....


As N.Korea missile threat grows, Japan lawmakers argue for first strike options

TOKYO, March 8 (Reuters) - Rattled by North Korean military advances, influential Japanese lawmakers are pushing harder for Japan to develop the ability to strike preemptively at the missile facilities of its nuclear-armed neighbour.

For decades, Japan has been stretching the limits of its post-war, pacifist constitution. Successive governments have said Tokyo has the right to attack enemy bases overseas when the enemy's intention to attack Japan is evident, the threat is imminent and there are no other defense options. But while previous administrations shied away from acquiring the hardware to do so, Prime Minister Shinzo Abe's LDP has been urging him to consider the step. "It is time we acquired the capability," said Hiroshi Imazu, the chairman of the LDP's policy council on security. "I don't know whether that would be with ballistic missiles, cruise missiles or even the F-35 (fighter bomber), but without a deterrence North Korea will see us as weak."


Read more: REFILE-As N.Korea missile threat grows, Japan lawmakers argue for first strike options - Nasdaq.com


Trump and His Bois are examining redeploying the tactical nuclear B61 bomb in some numbers to South Korea to stave off the Kim Dynasty lunacy. One can understand this approach too as diplomacy and economic and financial sanctions against the Kim Regime are useless and meaningless. Trying to have talks is a joke as the long entombed six-party talks of the Bush administration demonstrated unmistakably (N. Korea, S. Korea, Japan, CCP, Russia, USA).


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B61-12 tactical nuclear bombs of USAF


Neutralizing North Korea in this way also takes a crucial playing chip away from CCP in Beijing. It's been the case that CCP uses North Korea to respond and to retaliate against the U.S. and Japan in the South China Sea, and in the East Sea where Japanese islets and territory are also asserted by CCP Boyz. That is, practically every time U.S. or Japan tick off CCP Tyrants in the SCS or elsewhere in the region, CCP Tyrants ease up or reverse themselves on leveraging Pyongyang in everything from sanctions to technology, to include nuclear and missile technology. So neutralizing Pyongyang in the various ways to include the Thaad and/or U.S. redeployment of tactical nukes takes away a lot of the leverage CCP Tyrants have using N. Korea as the lunatic nuclear state against the USA-Japan alliance.

It might be better however for South Korea to get the Iron Dome protective system that Israel has. Iron Dome shields against both incoming missiles and artillery bombardments, the latter being another huge threat and stick Kim holds over Seoul and S. Korea each day, to include USA and Japan in opposing N. Korea. Kim lashing out in any wild attack certainly would include Japan as well as South Korea. The nut might also lob a few at Beijing for a good measure.
 
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I think any preemptive strike by the U.S. against North Korea's ballistic missile force would require more than two or three carrier groups. F/A-18's are not stealth aircraft, and the thirty or so each carrier could muster for a bombing attack, each carrying probably two or three tons of ordnance, could only do so much.

I suspect hundreds of Tomahawks, launched from surface ships and subs, and ten or so B-2's would also be used. There are probably a hundred or more sites involved in various direct and indirect ways with North Korea's missile force which would need to be targeted, as well as the air defenses protecting those sites. Because quite a few weapons would be needed to destroy some sites, the total number of aim points and weapons would be much larger.

None of us knows what plan the U.S. might follow, but I suspect one alternative which has been developed is a naval blockade. North Korea is on a peninsula, has a fairly weak navy, and cannot possibly import all it needs overland from China. A blockade is less spectacular than a large air attack, but it is a proven means of forcing another nation to its knees. It requires no shooting by the nation imposing it, and the nation on the receiving end--as in this case--may have no way to lift the blockade by force. It then would have to decide whether to risk starting a shooting war that does not involve a direct attack on the blockading force, or to give in.

In Cuba in 1962, the Soviet Union concluded that the risk of starting a war elsewhere than at sea was so great that it decided instead to comply. And the Soviet Union then was an immeasurably more powerful opponent than North Korea is today. There was a lot of talk then about Khrushchev being irrational, reckless, and capable of anything, just as there is now about the degenerate who rules North Korea. But somehow Khrushchev became very rational--and scared, by his own admission is his memoirs--when he saw what he was up against.
 
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I think any preemptive strike by the U.S. against North Korea's ballistic missile force would require more than two or three carrier groups. F/A-18's are not stealth aircraft, and the thirty or so each carrier could muster for a bombing attack, each carrying probably two or three tons of ordnance, could only do so much.

I suspect hundreds of Tomahawks, launched from surface ships and subs, and ten or so B-2's would also be used. There are probably a hundred or more sites involved in various direct and indirect ways with North Korea's missile force which would need to be targeted, as well as the air defenses protecting those sites. Because quite a few weapons would be needed to destroy some sites, the total number of aim points and weapons would be much larger.

None of us knows what plan the U.S. might follow, but I suspect one alternative which has been developed is a naval blockade. North Korea is on a peninsula, has a fairly weak navy, and cannot possibly import all it needs overland from China. A blockade is less spectacular than a large air attack, but it is a proven means of forcing another nation to its knees. It requires no shooting by the nation imposing it, and the nation on the receiving end--as in this case--may have no way to lift the blockade by force. It then would have to decide whether to risk starting a shooting war that does not involve a direct attack on the blockading force, or to give in.

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Indeed an air and naval blockade has been the first option of the U.S. in any confrontation with CCP China. A North Korea only naval blockade was considered in 2003 by the GW Bush administration -- interestingly advocated by John Bolton who was undersecretary of state for arms control (he wuz against it ha ha) and is now an unofficial Trump adviser.

While USN by 2013 had realized its capability to blockade the entire vast coast of CCP China, a naval and air blockade of North Korea only would be a piece of cake technically.

Why however would Washington or Seoul want to collapse the North Korean economy by means of an air and sea blockade? Or to provoke CCP China into breaking the blockade at a great cost to try to salvage the N Korean economy?

Collapse of North Korea would precipitate the rush of armed troops from CCP China into the country from its north and the rush of U.S. and South Korean armed troops from the south. Pyongyang is much closer to Seoul than it is to CCP China, so that would be a plus.

However, CCP China entered the Korean Conflict in 1950 because of its continuing absolute policy to never have U.S. forces at any of its borders, anywhere, anytime. Never ever. CCP have no choice but to accept U.S. armed forces in South Korea. However, North Korea provides a buffer between CCP China and the presence of U.S. armed forces positioned in the South.

As passive and as militarily benign as an air-sea blockade can sound, it -- in the instance of North Korea collapsing -- would be provocative as all hell. Blockade would also place CCP Boyz in Beijing on the spot to break it to prevent the economic collapse of the North.

A first strike by the U.S. against North Korea would likely result anyway in at least a million South Korean civilian deaths. It's unavoidable because so much of the North's artillery at the border is sheltered inside caves and the like throughout the mass of mountains that mark the Korean peninsula down its entire center region. Much like at Dien Bien Phu in Vietnam against the French in 1954.

Which leaves one of two principal options or both. Redeploy tactical nuclear weapons to South Korea which requires the consent of the South Korean government. And or install an Iron Dome kind of defense that Israel has. The Thaad missile defense platform currently being installed in S. Korea is good but it may not be enough. Thaad is already installed on Guam. Its penetrating radar only is installed in Japan. All of Thaad to Japan would also be a wise move.

Potus Obama last year approached Taipei about Thaad to Taiwan which remains uncertain but given CCP are going berserk about Thaad in South Korea, placing Thaad in Taiwan would require the kind of brass balls few beyond Trump and his CCP advisers have.

Taiwan Pres. Hsai Ing-wen may have to go for it however. This is due to the new CCP strategy of launching missiles by air, sea, undersea, against Taiwan from Taiwan's open ocean side, in addition to missile barrages from the mainland side. Taiwan is already spreading out its defenses to cover its east side facing the open ocean as well as its west side facing the mainland. Thaad in Taiwan is beginning to look good to 'em in Taipei, as is the Patriot missile defense system.

Bottom line here is that the fists are being raised by both sides throughout the Western Pacific-East Asia-South China Sea region.
 
Their fear is that it's only a matter of time before NK strikes first with nukes at the US and conventional at the South. Mainly because Kim Un is becoming more challenged and paranoid. I agree with you that any attack by us will only guarantee that NK obliterates Seoul and our 28k troops. I think the US has secretly installed an advanced ICBM Nuclear deterrent, though not sure it works against nuclear tipped Cruise missiles launched from Subs. They come in low, fast and evasive.


North Korea has one nuclear missile "cold fire" armed sub. What in USN are called "Boomer" subs but far inferior to the USN subs of all kind.

Hostilities start and the N Korean nuclear armed sub is gone in a blink. U.S. Pacific Command is on the sub every moment 24/7 and 365 dayze. USN has a boomer off the coast there at all times too.

Kim would not do anything unless he had decided to relocate to heaven or hell whichever would receive him. Kim is a young man who lives like royalty so why would he want to be terminated along with his country that he gets anything he wants from at all times.

Kim wants leverage not oblivion. Then again, we've seen leaders miscalculate repeatedly throughout past history.

Place tactical nukes back in South Korea and Kim will likely have to settle down sooner or later. Or else. And CCP in Beijing would really need to sit on him for a change....or itself force a regime change in Pyongyang (tough as that would be for 'em to execute).
 
Good for them.

So what?

They would never use it on America because they know if they did they would be obliterated within the hour.

NK is desperate for attention AND to keep it's people scared of war so they forget how hungry many of them are and whose fault it is (their government's).
 
Indeed an air and naval blockade has been the first option of the U.S. in any confrontation with CCP China. A North Korea only naval blockade was considered in 2003 by the GW Bush administration -- interestingly advocated by John Bolton who was undersecretary of state for arms control (he wuz against it ha ha) and is now an unofficial Trump adviser.

While USN by 2013 had realized its capability to blockade the entire vast coast of CCP China, a naval and air blockade of North Korea only would be a piece of cake technically.

Why however would Washington or Seoul want to collapse the North Korean economy by means of an air and sea blockade? Or to provoke CCP China into breaking the blockade at a great cost to try to salvage the N Korean economy?

Collapse of North Korea would precipitate the rush of armed troops from CCP China into the country from its north and the rush of U.S. and South Korean armed troops from the south. Pyongyang is much closer to Seoul than it is to CCP China, so that would be a plus.

However, CCP China entered the Korean Conflict in 1950 because of its continuing absolute policy to never have U.S. forces at any of its borders, anywhere, anytime. Never ever. CCP have no choice but to accept U.S. armed forces in South Korea. However, North Korea provides a buffer between CCP China and the presence of U.S. armed forces positioned in the South.

As passive and as militarily benign as an air-sea blockade can sound, it -- in the instance of North Korea collapsing -- would be provocative as all hell. Blockade would also place CCP Boyz in Beijing on the spot to break it to prevent the economic collapse of the North.

A first strike by the U.S. against North Korea would likely result anyway in at least a million South Korean civilian deaths. It's unavoidable because so much of the North's artillery at the border is sheltered inside caves and the like throughout the mass of mountains that mark the Korean peninsula down its entire center region. Much like at Dien Bien Phu in Vietnam against the French in 1954.

Which leaves one of two principal options or both. Redeploy tactical nuclear weapons to South Korea which requires the consent of the South Korean government. And or install an Iron Dome kind of defense that Israel has. The Thaad missile defense platform currently being installed in S. Korea is good but it may not be enough. Thaad is already installed on Guam. Its penetrating radar only is installed in Japan. All of Thaad to Japan would also be a wise move.

Potus Obama last year approached Taipei about Thaad to Taiwan which remains uncertain but given CCP are going berserk about Thaad in South Korea, placing Thaad in Taiwan would require the kind of brass balls few beyond Trump and his CCP advisers have.

Taiwan Pres. Hsai Ing-wen may have to go for it however. This is due to the new CCP strategy of launching missiles by air, sea, undersea, against Taiwan from Taiwan's open ocean side, in addition to missile barrages from the mainland side. Taiwan is already spreading out its defenses to cover its east side facing the open ocean as well as its west side facing the mainland. Thaad in Taiwan is beginning to look good to 'em in Taipei, as is the Patriot missile defense system.

Bottom line here is that the fists are being raised by both sides throughout the Western Pacific-East Asia-South China Sea region.

One way of looking at moving two carrier groups near the Korean Peninsula is as a large step toward a blockade. If a substantial force of destroyers and attack submarines were added to the mix, most of the wherewithal needed for a blockade would be in place, but for the time being doing nothing to impose a blockade. It seems to me the veiled threat would be pretty strong, and yet the U.S. Navy would not have done anything really warlike. Turning the screws tighter is a game two can play at, and the U.S. should make Mr. Kim keenly aware of just what it can do if it chooses. He is trying to show by his belligerent actions that he is not scared, but then the U.S. has not yet made a serious effort to scare him.
 
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One way of looking at moving two carrier groups near the Korean Peninsula is as a large step toward a blockade. If a substantial force of destroyers and attack submarines were added to the mix, most of the wherewithal needed for a blockade would be in place, but for the time being doing nothing to impose a blockade. It seems to me the veiled threat would be pretty strong, and yet the U.S. Navy would not have done anything really warlike. Turning the screws tighter is a game two can play at, and the U.S. should make Mr. Kim keenly aware of just what it can do if it chooses. He is trying to show by his belligerent actions that he is not scared, but then the U.S. has not yet made a serious effort to scare him.


Pacific Fleet has three carrier strike groups two of which are operating in the Western Pacific. The two carrier groups as currently deployed are not preparing to blockade North Korea. Pacific Fleet consists of two USN Fleets, the 3rd and the 7th, eastern Pacific and western Pacific, respectively.

One carrier group, the John Stennis of the USN 3rd Fleet is getting upgrades in its home port of Bremerton WA, until August. The U.S. 7th Fleet carrier Ronald Reagan and group home ported in Japan are at sea in the Japan-Korean peninsula area, as is almost the entire 7th Fleet in an unusual mass deployment to one particular spot.

With 7th Fleet shifted to mass off Korea-Japan, the 3rd Fleet carrier Carl Vinson and strike group based in San Diego has been deployed forward to cover the 7th Fleet area of the South China Sea. Vinson is on a six-month deployment that began last month.

Since 2015 the two fleets have become interoperational, i.e., the 3rd Fleet has been deployed forward with the 7th Fleet, all of it under the command of the Pacific Fleet Commander sob Admiral Scott Swift at Pearl Harbor. While Admiral Swift takes names and kicks ass in his sleep, Pacific Theater Armed Forces Commander in Chief Admiral Harry Harris, who commands everything from India to California to include all armed forces in Korea and Japan, would have sunk the CCP islands long ago with a boom zap zoom before breakfast.

7th Fleet itself could do a complete lockdown blockade of North Korea while half of it went surfing but my take is that it's not going in that direction. For one central thing, CCP Boyz in Beijing have said nothing about not blockading N Korea. Not generally, not specifically.

CCP has for sure been wrong before, but it apparently does not see a blockade being set up or in the making, or in the offing. Loud and precipitous as CCP are, if they saw any indications of a USN blockade of N Korea the Boyz would be hollering and jumping up and down flapping their arms. They'd be at the UN now with a half dozen proposed resolutions against blockading N. Korea. Beijing would be going goo-goo if they thought a blockade were in the works.
 
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U.S. and South Korean intelligence said North Korea is setting up a new ICBM test which is expected to be a whopper of their newest and biggest longest range missile.

The launch could come as CCP President Xi Jinping preps to visit in Florida at Mar-a-Lago with Potus Donald Trump Thursday and Friday.


North Korea Ready for Sixth Nuclear Test as Chinese President Set for US Visit

Sat April 1, 2017

Much to the consternation of the Trump administration, the North Koreans are believed to be preparing yet another nuclear test.

This test of North Korea’s latest long range ICBM missile will be their sixth to date. The gravity of the situation has become critical. This test could potentially be far different and more deadly than previous launches with a higher explosive yield.

Secretary of State Rex Tillerson has already personally demanded North Korea’s main ally, China, contain their reckless neighbor. On Thursday, UN Ambassador Nikki Haley warned that America’s patience on this particular issue is wearing thin. But are the Chinese listening?

North Korea Ready for Sixth Nuclear Test as Chinese President Set for US Visit


Anyone who knows the Chinese reasonably well also knows the Chinese don't listen to barbarian foreign devils. The most interactive the Chinese get is to simply wait for the foreign devil to finish speaking, then the Chinese go on with what they were saying...just more of it. Chinese have no reason to listen because they know we're going to be reasonable to see it their way. Sooner or later. Preferably sooner of course.

Maybe Xi and Trump can hold hands under the Florida moon to comfort each other.

Actually and more likely than hold hands, Trump will probably take the occasion if the North does launch one now to pin Xi's ears back. CCP Dictators in Beijing are determined to play the nuclear Pyongyang against the U.S. and Japan in any issue CCP figures it can get away with.

From the issue of Pyongyang itself to trade and to the South China Sea. And more. Let's see if Trump gets Xi's ear on this one in the here and now.
 
It can be said we live in interesting times.

Almost the entire 7th Fleet has been there for a couple of weeks already. Vinson Carrier Strike Force is a part of the 3rd Fleet which with the 7th Fleet comprise the Pacific Fleet.



Carl Vinson strike group returns to Korean peninsula


OKOSUKA NAVAL BASE, Japan – The Carl Vinson strike group is moving toward the Korean peninsula amid heightened concerns that North Korea could soon conduct a major weapons test.

Admiral Harry Harris, head of U.S. Pacific Armed Forces Command, directed the aircraft carrier USS Carl Vinson and its accompanying ships to sail north from Singapore on Saturday instead of heading for planned port visits in Australia.

A U.S. official told Reuters on Saturday the increased presence was necessary given North Korea’s recent provocative behavior. The strike group includes an unannounced submarine presence that often transits with carrier strike groups as well.



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USS Carl Vinson CVN-70 Aircraft Carrier Strike Group 1 underway to the Korean peninsula in a tight battle formation after suddenly being reassigned April 8 from a port visit in Singapore. Embarked are Carrier Air Wing (CVW) 2, the Arleigh Burke-class guided-missile destroyers USS Wayne E. Meyer (DDG 108) and USS Michael Murphy (DDG 112), and the Ticonderoga-class guided-missile cruisers USS Lake Champlain (CG 57) and USS Shiloh CG 67. Vinson CSF will operate in the Western Pacific rather than executing previously planned port visits to Australia from Singapore. MATT BROWN/U.S. NAVY PHOTO

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What precipitated the sudden change to the deployment of the Vinson carrier strike group from its port call in Singapore to the Korean peninsula? While the North Korean missile launch last week fell into the sea as all N Korean missile tests do, this missile's military azimuth was a direct line to the U.S. Marine Corps Air Station Iwakuni in Yamaguchi Prefecture Japan. This is the first time a N Korean missile test launch "hypothetically" targeted a U.S. military base.

One should not expect any U.S. military action concerning N Korea at this point, if at all. The key factor is not aircraft carrier strike groups per se. U.S. Pacific Fleet consists of the 3rd Fleet and the 7th fleet and has a total of five carrier strike groups (one in dock at Bremerton WA getting updated radars and weapons platforms, until August).

The key factor to any possible U.S. military action is the low profile USN Expeditionary Strike Group which outside of governments few if any have ever heard of. USN has twelve of 'em. Pentagon forms one or more when it means business, as in the Iraq three week invasion in 2003 and in Gulf War I in 1991. ESGs often exist on paper until one is formed up so it doesn't have the sex appeal to media that a carrier strike force has. Under the command of a vice admiral (3-star) the ESG consists of two or more carrier strike groups, six to eight attack subs, extensive anti-submarine warfare components. a USMC expeditionary amphibious force (brigade) and ships. A carrier strike group is a serious business, however, a USN Expeditionary Strike Group conducts serious business in another dimension of warfare.

If Kim Jong Fat and his generals have any contact with reality, they'd have to consider a ESG positioning itself off the open Pacific side of Japan. At which point Kim, among other things, would have to consider refocusing his artillery pointed at Seoul to his eastern coast. Then head post haste to his bunker.

Fact is Potus Trump and his ultra-hawk CCP advisers have dismissed Xi Jinping in the matter of North Korea. Kim Jong Fat is already deep into the ****ter. Going deeper still and only.
 
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Japan is thinking about reforming their constitution in order to arm itself against North Korea. Viet Nam is deeply worried about North Korea as is The Philippines and Taiwan. China does not want war as millions of North Koreans will cross the river in to their country. We have 20,000 troops in the South that could suffer massive destruction from the North's artillery. It is a mess but with so much at stake we can only hope for strong bonding between us and China to get NK in to shape.
 
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