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Trump cites no evidence in wiretapping claim; Obama spokesman calls it 'simply false'

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Erod said:
Looking more and more like this happened. Obama won't deny the wiretaps occurred, just that he ordered them. His laundry list of lies doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt.
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Agreed.

Oh, I'm absolutely certain there will be no shred of documentation that shows Obama ordered the wiretaps. After all, his plausible deniability needs to remain in tact.

I'm just as factual certain that someone in his administration order the wiretaps, conducted the wiretaps, and got the FISA warrant for them.

And a nearly equally certain footing, Obama knew about these wiretaps.
 
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"No evidence"? So...obviously leftists see this as on par with Russia hacking the election then...right?
 
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JumpinJack said:
Trump cites no evidence in wiretapping claim; Obama spokesman calls it 'simply false' - Chicago Tribune

How low will Trump go? There is no limit, apparently. He thinks everyone else is like he is: no ethics, lying every time he opens his mouth, evading taxes.

There is no reason or evidence for Trump to accuse Obama of wiretapping him. None. But what do we expect from a man who stands at a podium on national tv and mocks a disabled person?

It really gets Trump's goat that Obama has high approval ratings and was/is one of the most popular Presidents, beloved by most in the country, while Trump sees his low approval ratings sinking by the day. He's determined to deflect the Russian collusion allegations and reports by trying to blame someone else for doing nefarious and illegal acts, with no evidence or sound reasoning whatsoever. But sound reasoning and evidence are not Trump's strong points.
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"What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence." - Christopher Hitchens
 
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Napoleon said:
He doesn't because it isn't real so no such information exists. His source is Brietbart.
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No, he could just as easily used the New York Times:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/19/us/politics/trump-russia-associates-investigation.html?_r=0

Mr. Manafort is among at least three Trump campaign advisers whose possible links to Russia are under scrutiny. Two others are Carter Page, a businessman and former foreign policy adviser to the campaign, and Roger Stone, a longtime Republican operative.

The F.B.I. is leading the investigations, aided by the National Security Agency, the C.I.A. and the Treasury Department’s financial crimes unit. The investigators have accelerated their efforts in recent weeks but have found no conclusive evidence of wrongdoing, the officials said. One official said intelligence reports based on some of the wiretapped communications had been provided to the White House.

So yes, Trump's campaign was under surveillance, and yes there were wiretaps.

Why is the White House getting wiretaps when there was no finding of wrongdoing? Hell, why would the White House EVER get wiretaps of political opponents?

I think we are closing in on the old standard Obama defense where his supporters will claim how rock-stupid ignorant Obama was of all things happening in his cabinet.
 
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Risky Thicket said:
BEFORE YOU OR ANYONE ELSE RESPONDS, I AM NOT A DEMOCRAT. I DID NOT VOTE FOR OBAMA NOR DID I VOTE FOR HILLARY.
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You are questioning the 'Dear Leader', therefore you are the enemy. You'll get the same treatment from the Trumpsters as Trump gives the other enemy of the people, the free press. ('Enemy'-- Trump's words, not mine)
 
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Fenton said:
Man I love how this is blowing up in the Lefts faces. Couldnt have happened to a nicer group of people too
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You mean an anonymously sourced something that the White House cannot collaborate outside of two British tabloids? Oh gawd! The poor left! What will they do about their precious shadow presidency!

The right is doing a great job of proving they are just as gullible as the left and it's candy to people like me.
 
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radcen said:
Even if Obama was directly involved, I would highly doubt that he literally "ordered" someone else to order it. Plausible deniability in high circles, and all.
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Without a doubt. There will be not a single shred of documentation that will state Obama ordering anyone to do these wiretaps.
 
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radcen said:
Even if Obama was directly involved, I would highly doubt that he literally "ordered" someone else to order it. Plausible deniability in high circles, and all.
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I have read several times over the last two days that a sitting President cannot order wire taps. If Obama was involved it would likely have been the fact that he was aware that Trump and later his staff had been people of concern due to their behavior/connections re Russians. We know that Trump was subject of FBI investigations prior to the campaign. Some of those investigations include(d) Russians with buckets of money. There are reportedly new investigation involving a shady bank heavily supported by Russian money, money laundering and the Trump family. There has been and continues to be a lot going on.
 
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eohrnberger said:
Agreed.

Oh, I'm absolutely certain there will be no shred of documentation that shows Obama ordered the wiretaps. After all, his plausible deniability needs to remain in tact.

I'm just as factual certain that someone in his administration order the wiretaps, conducted the wiretaps, and got the FISA warrant for them.

And a nearly equally certain footing, Obama knew about these wiretaps.
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Ooooh conjecture! Believing what you want to believe with no evidence! That certainly has a track record of reliability! What a profound use of intellectual resources! While we are at it, try to work Bigfoot and Putin in there with some certainty.
 
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Risky Thicket said:
Trump has a sordid personal and professional history with less than honorable Russia oligarchs. Prior to his campaign Trump was part of investigations that included Russian crime figures. He reportedly remains under investigation today. There has been justification to investigate Trump for a number of things that began before his campaign. From the American mafia to the Russian crime lords, many of Trumps business partners have been/were soon to become convicted felons. Not nice people by any definition. Follow the money, as they say.
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Hah. That's funny. Like the Clintons and the Clinton Foundation didn't have sordid personal and professional history with less than honorable oligarchs and crime figures. Follow the money, as they say.
 
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jmotivator said:
No, he could just as easily used the New York Times:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/19/us/politics/trump-russia-associates-investigation.html?_r=0

Mr. Manafort is among at least three Trump campaign advisers whose possible links to Russia are under scrutiny. Two others are Carter Page, a businessman and former foreign policy adviser to the campaign, and Roger Stone, a longtime Republican operative.

The F.B.I. is leading the investigations, aided by the National Security Agency, the C.I.A. and the Treasury Department’s financial crimes unit. The investigators have accelerated their efforts in recent weeks but have found no conclusive evidence of wrongdoing, the officials said. One official said intelligence reports based on some of the wiretapped communications had been provided to the White House.

So yes, Trump's campaign was under surveillance, and yes there were wiretaps.

Why is the White House getting wiretaps when there was no finding of wrongdoing? Hell, why would the White House EVER get wiretaps of political opponents?

I think we are closing in on the old standard Obama defense where his supporters will claim how rock-stupid ignorant Obama was of all things happening in his cabinet.
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Another lie. The NYT is referring to the intercepted communications of the Russian Ambassador. Why did Trump surround himself with people who were colluding with the Russian ambassador and, in at least one case, in his own home in NYC? What evidence does the sack of garbage in the White House have to support his claim? NOTHING. Which is why he's demanding Congress investigate the claims of the loony right-wing website where he picked up this conspiracy theory.
 
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Donald Trump has been on law enforcement, counter intelligence radar for a long time. It is a mistake for people to believe that the Trump/Russian connection just popped up after his election. That is not at all correct.
 
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Risky Thicket said:
What did I ignore that happened in the real world?
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I think it's reasonable to think that when a very closely worded denial is made by anyone of either party in Washington DC, it deserves to be completely vetted.

"I didn't have sexual relations with that woman..." comes to mind.

Here is the denial that was issued by the Obama Administration Rep:

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"An Obama spokesman forcefully pushed back against the accusation

"A cardinal rule of the Obama Administration was that no White House official ever interfered with any independent investigation led by the Department of Justice,"

said Kevin Lewis, an Obama spokesman.

"As part of that practice, neither President Obama nor any White House official ever ordered surveillance on any U.S. citizen. Any suggestion otherwise is simply false."
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What does this NOT say?

It does not say that the wiretaps never occurred. It's also saying the White House NEVER interferes with a DOJ investigation. Of course the DOJ exists as a part of the Executive Branch. This is watergate unfolding again.

Trump is intentionally keeping this story alive.

Why do you think he is doing this?

Trump accuses Obama of ‘wire tapping’ Trump Tower phones - POLITICO
 
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Of course the other side of this is the US Intelligence agencies just might have been reading the mail of, and listening in on the Russians. But now to protect Trump and his liar advisers, Brietbart and Levine and the rest of the PoS con media and Trump might have let that cat out of the bag.

But hey, as long as they protect Trump and his liars around him, that's all that matters.
 
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eohrnberger said:
Agreed.

Oh, I'm absolutely certain there will be no shred of documentation that shows Obama ordered the wiretaps. After all, his plausible deniability needs to remain in tact.

I'm just as factual certain that someone in his administration order the wiretaps, conducted the wiretaps, and got the FISA warrant for them.

And a nearly equally certain footing, Obama knew about these wiretaps.
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I guess it's not OK for the Russians to hack the election but it is ok for our very own government to hack the election.
 
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Erod said:
Looking more and more like this happened. Obama won't deny the wiretaps occurred, just that he ordered them. His laundry list of lies doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt.
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Looking more and more like typical Trump tactics. Make **** up.. Rinse , lather , tweet, retweet. Sit back and watch his loyal I'll-educated followers defend the indefensible.
 
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eohrnberger said:
Without a doubt. There will be not a single shred of documentation that will state Obama ordering anyone to do these wiretaps.
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Yeah. I've seen a few interviews of Democrats now where they clearly said Obama did not order the wiretaps while conveniently not denying that there were wiretaps.
 
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Risky Thicket said:
Donald Trump has been on law enforcement, counter intelligence radar for a long time. It is a mistake for people to believe that the Trump/Russian connection just popped up after his election. That is not at all correct.
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Just ask a deplorable. Trump said so.
 
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Risky Thicket said:
Donald Trump has been on law enforcement, counter intelligence radar for a long time. It is a mistake for people to believe that the Trump/Russian connection just popped up after his election. That is not at all correct.
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What happened to the liberal philosophy of being innocent until proven guilty?
 
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eohrnberger said:
Without a doubt. There will be not a single shred of documentation that will state Obama ordering anyone to do these wiretaps.
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As if it never happened? Oh wait. It never did!
 
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Moderate Right said:
Hah. That's funny. Like the Clintons and the Clinton Foundation didn't have sordid personal and professional history with less than honorable oligarchs and crime figures. Follow the money, as they say.
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If you would take the time to investigate the DP archives regarding my position regarding the Clinton Foundation you would see how ridiculous the above statement is when it is addressed to me.

1. This isn't about the Clintons.

2. Hillary is NOT the President of the United States.

3. Hillary/Bill are I believe still being investigated regarding the Clinton Foundation. But they do not sit in the White House.

4. The current Trump fiasco is about Donald Trump not the Clintons.
 
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eohrnberger said:
Let's see.

A sitting president and his administration use the nation's intelligence resources to surveil and wiretap a presidential candidate of the opposing political party.

And your opinion is 'what could possibly go wrong' ?

This sure sounds like the makings of a police state to me, and that's something that I really wish to avoid.
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If it actually happened...
 
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Deuce said:
It's really sad what people will believe to be evidence.
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But yet they deny Donny has NPD, its obvious he needs a mental health check.
 
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Top Cat said:
Nope. Just another weak diversionary topic.
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And the Right falls for it everytime, Don and his magic smoke and mirrors. Don forgets, the rest of us, the majority who did not vote for this very mentally ill man, are just not as gullable as the, what did he call them, uneducated, how apt.
 
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JumpinJack said:
Trump cites no evidence in wiretapping claim; Obama spokesman calls it &apos;simply false&apos; - Chicago Tribune

How low will Trump go? There is no limit, apparently. He thinks everyone else is like he is: no ethics, lying every time he opens his mouth, evading taxes.

There is no reason or evidence for Trump to accuse Obama of wiretapping him. None. But what do we expect from a man who stands at a podium on national tv and mocks a disabled person?

It really gets Trump's goat that Obama has high approval ratings and was/is one of the most popular Presidents, beloved by most in the country, while Trump sees his low approval ratings sinking by the day. He's determined to deflect the Russian collusion allegations and reports by trying to blame someone else for doing nefarious and illegal acts, with no evidence or sound reasoning whatsoever. But sound reasoning and evidence are not Trump's strong points.
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Trump by Tweeting such a scandalous & sensational ACCUSATION is now required to offer proof of said accusation.
Trump has stated he is against "unnamed sources" but with such a scandalous & sensational ACCUSATION Trump needs to put up, or shut up.
This however is not going to occur; why?
Because this is Donny's MO; state salacious BS & lies, and nothing is ever proven from it. This is the same ole MO Trump has used for decades.
FFS already; the guy is 70 years old. Who in their right mind believes Trump will ever change? = Not gonna happen.

What DID occur yesterday? Trump via those Tweets committed a partial political suicide.
Why would ANY politician, let alone a President, do that TO THEMSELVES?

The worst part is, Trump has the ability to end life on planet Earth as we know it.
No one with Trump's issues of mental instability needs to be in that capacity, period.

Trump is real trouble, not only for America, Trump is real trouble for the safety of the citizens of planet Earth.
 
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