Amazon's Jeff Bezos Wants to Start a Delivery Service to the Moon

Jeff Bezos, the CEO and founder of Amazon and also the Blue Origin rocket company wants to set up a logistical delivery service to the Moon by the mid-2020s. This will involve using the New Glenn rocket which Bezos already announced by opening a factory to manufacture it, and it will also involve a new lunar lander vehicle called Blue Moon.

Amazon?s Jeff Bezos Wants to Start a Delivery Service to the Moon

A lunar version of Amazon Prime may be on its way after Jeff Bezos revealed he wants to start a shipping route between the Earth and the moon.

Bezos, the founder of the online retail company, reportedly plans to start the Earth-to-moon delivery service by mid-2020 through his private space company, Blue Origin.

A white paper obtained by The Washington Post—also owned by Bezos—laid out his dream of a permanently inhabited lunar settlement, in which an Amazon-like shipment service would be used to deliver cargo and sustain the colony.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-of-the-moon/?utm_term=.076615685750#comments



I think the Trump Whitehouse has set off a flurry of activity around the Moon by expressing interest in a lunar mission during Trump's first term:

https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/03/the-trump-administration-has-unleashed-a-lunar-gold-rush/

sanman said:

Jeff Bezos, the CEO and founder of Amazon and also the Blue Origin rocket company wants to set up a logistical delivery service to the Moon by the mid-2020s:

Amazon?s Jeff Bezos Wants to Start a Delivery Service to the Moon



I think the Trump Whitehouse has set off a flurry of activity around the Moon by expressing interest in a lunar mission during Trump's first term:

https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/03/the-trump-administration-has-unleashed-a-lunar-gold-rush/

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No, it's not Trump. Say "Thank you, Mr. President (Obama)."

Obama gave the first major space policy speech of his campaign in Titusville, Florida in August 2008.[5] He subsequently approved a seven-page space plan that committed to target dates for destinations beyond low Earth orbit:
“ He endorses the goal of sending human missions to the Moon by 2020, as a precursor in an orderly progression to missions to more distant destinations, including Mars.[6] ”
Obama was noted for "having offered more specifics about his plans for NASA than any U.S. presidential candidate in history".[7]

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_policy_of_the_Barack_Obama_administration

Trump's been in office for a few weeks. This 2020 program has been in the works for years.

JumpinJack said:

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No, it's not Trump. Say "Thank you, Mr. President (Obama)."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_policy_of_the_Barack_Obama_administration

Trump's been in office for a few weeks. This 2020 program has been in the works for years.

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No, these announcements are recent, including SpaceX's announcement of sending 2 paying passengers to the Moon in 2018. Do you think they had that planned years and years ago? It's something that's been arranged recently, and is being announced in order to capitalize on Trump's interest in having a lunar mission during his 1st term. SpaceX was previously totally focused on Mars, and had a 2018 mission planned called Red Dragon. That's now recently been pushed back, and the Moon has been brought forward.

Personally, I'm glad the Moon is being put front and center now, because it's lower-hanging fruit compared to Mars, and is thus more easily doable, and easier to build on for a permanent manned presence - ie. a moonbase.

Who's he gonna deliver to? There's no one in the moon except those Nazis in that secret base...

I see Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos recently traveled to Peru together for an ayahuasca retreat.

sanman said:

Jeff Bezos, the CEO and founder of Amazon and also the Blue Origin rocket company wants to set up a logistical delivery service to the Moon by the mid-2020s. This will involve using the New Glenn rocket which Bezos already announced by opening a factory to manufacture it, and it will also involve a new lunar lander vehicle called Blue Moon.

Amazon?s Jeff Bezos Wants to Start a Delivery Service to the Moon




https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-of-the-moon/?utm_term=.076615685750#comments



I think the Trump Whitehouse has set off a flurry of activity around the Moon by expressing interest in a lunar mission during Trump's first term:

https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/03/the-trump-administration-has-unleashed-a-lunar-gold-rush/

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Delivering what, to whom? This is nothing more than a publicity stunt.

PoS said:

Who's he gonna deliver to? There's no one in the moon except those Nazis in that secret base...

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You've answered your own question.

PoS said:

Who's he gonna deliver to? There's no one in the moon except those Nazis in that secret base...

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They aren't Nazi's, they are Mayans.

Well, as Bezos said in his talk, he wants to provide transportation logistics to the Moon for anyone who wants to send stuff there. Like say you designed a moonrover and wanted to send it to the lunar surface, you could get it delivered there through Blue Origin's services.

If that were possible, then who knows how many people would try to send stuff there - certainly lots of universities and colleges would be building their own robots to send to the Moon for research studies.

The thing is then that there need to be further rules and guidelines set up to avoid problems. Like suppose you wanted to send a big laser pointer to the Moon to shine in the eyes of any astronauts flying in? Or what if you wanted to send a rover to the Moon to deface the surface by making giant crop circle patterns or Nazca lines? Or what if some people want to send machines to strip-mine the Moon?

I think there'll have to be some standards for vetting these delivery orders.

I am 100% in favor of colonizing the moon for many many reasons.

1. It could provide a perminate launch point to reach other planets like mars free of obsticals like breaking through the earths atmosphere.

2. It would also provide a wealth of knowledge and solutions to colonizing outerspace which is something that i believe should be mankinds long term goal.

One interesting question i have is who does the moon belong to? Is that going to be a fight between nations?

As 3D printers become more complex i can see where the moon is looking like a valauble piece of real estate for wealthy visionaries.

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JumpinJack said:

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No, it's not Trump. Say "Thank you, Mr. President (Obama)."

Obama gave the first major space policy speech of his campaign in Titusville, Florida in August 2008.[5] He subsequently approved a seven-page space plan that committed to target dates for destinations beyond low Earth orbit:
“ He endorses the goal of sending human missions to the Moon by 2020, as a precursor in an orderly progression to missions to more distant destinations, including Mars.[6] ”
Obama was noted for "having offered more specifics about his plans for NASA than any U.S. presidential candidate in history".[7]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_policy_of_the_Barack_Obama_administration

Trump's been in office for a few weeks. This 2020 program has been in the works for years.

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No, these announcements are recent, including SpaceX's announcement of sending 2 paying passengers to the Moon in 2018. Do you think they had that planned years and years ago? It's something that's been arranged recently, and is being announced in order to capitalize on Trump's interest in having a lunar mission during his 1st term. SpaceX was previously totally focused on Mars, and had a 2018 mission planned called Red Dragon. That's now recently been pushed back, and the Moon has been brought forward.

Personally, I'm glad the Moon is being put front and center now, because it's lower-hanging fruit compared to Mars, and is thus more easily doable, and easier to build on for a permanent manned presence - ie. a moonbase.

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So if anyone attempts to do what Obama talked about, after Obama talked about it, that means it was the idea of whomever is in the White House at the time that person does it (assuming an R next to the name)?

Let me guess, though. If anything bad happens in the course of a program/plan started under Obama, that will Obama's fault, or the fault of his evil "Shillary"-supporting plants in the federal agencies, yes?

Mr Person said:

So if anyone attempts to do what Obama talked about, after Obama talked about it, that means it was the idea of whomever is in the White House at the time that person does it (assuming an R next to the name)?

Let me guess, though. If anything bad happens in the course of a program/plan started under Obama, that will Obama's fault, or the fault of his evil "Shillary"-supporting plants in the federal agencies, yes?

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Exactly. Which explains why Trump pushed off responsibility for the failed Yeman raid to "This was a mission that was started before I got here. This was something that was, you know, just they wanted to do."

trouble13 said:

I am 100% in favor of colonizing the moon for many many reasons.

1. It could provide a perminate launch point to reach other planets like mars free of obsticals like breaking through the earths atmosphere.

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I don't think it is the atmosphere that represents the challenge for spacecraft to leave the Earth. It is gravity. The moon has less gravity but someone would have to get spacecraft there to launch. There is no way to build one there.

2. It would also provide a wealth of knowledge and solutions to colonizing outerspace which is something that i believe should be mankinds long term goal.

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There is nowhere in the solar system that would allow humans to live without life support. Beyond the solar system is simply too far away.

One interesting question i have is who does the moon belong to? Is that going to be a fight between nations?

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It belongs to whomever can defend a claim to owning it.

As 3D printers become more complex i can see where the moon is looking like a valauble piece of real estate for wealthy visionaries.

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What would 2d printers have to do with it?

Obama does not believe in the private sector - he believes in Big Govt - the only reason he let SpaceX take on more duties for NASA was because he was trying to avoid spending on space, which he never prioritized as highly as his precious Welfare State. Obama's main effects on NASA was to ensure he appointed someone of his own skin color to lead NASA - because "We's A Movin' On Up, Tooooo the Skyyyy" - and to tell his newly appointed chief that NASA must spearhead ties with the Muslim world as a major goal. If the Shuttle needed replacing, or if American astronauts were stuck hitching rides with Russia, then it just wasn't his problem.

At least Trump feels that America's image is boosted by having a successful space program, and as a businessman he understands the opportunities from turning to the private sector, including through public-private partnership.

If Trump wants to build hotels on the Moon with his name on them, then I'll be happy even to see that - at least there'll be something new on the Moon.

And the story's not over yet - Bezos plans to unveil even more space initiatives beyond what he's announced so far:

Bezos Plans to Unveil More Space Initiatives | Fox Business

sanman said:

Jeff Bezos, the CEO and founder of Amazon and also the Blue Origin rocket company wants to set up a logistical delivery service to the Moon by the mid-2020s. This will involve using the New Glenn rocket which Bezos already announced by opening a factory to manufacture it, and it will also involve a new lunar lander vehicle called Blue Moon.

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He needs to get my Prime deliveries back on a two-day schedule first. They've been slipping lately.

Well, I think Bezos' imminent additional announcement may have just now come out - Blue Origin has rolled the first few of its new methane-burning BE-4 engines off the production line - you can see how huge it is in the pictures:

https://www.inverse.com/article/28699-blue-origin-rocket-engine-photos





These engines are meant to power really big-ass rockets. They will be lifting some serious mass to space. The fact that the usually secretive Bezos is announcing this stuff right now means that he's ready to make some moves. I think the Trump Whitehouse's talk of the need for some lunar mission activity during his first presidential term has gotten everybody else salivating over the opportunity.

Musk and Bezos are now jockeying to be the point-man to make the Moon great again.

fmw said:

I don't think it is the atmosphere that represents the challenge for spacecraft to leave the Earth. It is gravity. The moon has less gravity but someone would have to get spacecraft there to launch. There is no way to build one there.

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How do you know a rocket can not be assembled or built on the moon? Use a little imagination and many possibilities can become realities.

For instance,
Maybe they launch the componets involved into orbit like satelites and then collect and assemble them on the moon.
It may prove safer and more cost effective to launch raw materials and various componets to the moon and then assemble it up there.

There is nowhere in the solar system that would allow humans to live without life support. Beyond the solar system is simply too far away.

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Of course leaving the solar system is too far away presently and of course we cant live without life support. That includes the earth. The reality is if we do not learn how to live independent of the earth we are destined to become extinct.

The moon is a stepping stone to learning how to live off the earth. What i envision is mankind building floating cities in space that gradually make a supply chain extending out gradually. One of the biggest obstacles is transporting or maybe creating enough water. The challenges involved in colonizing space are great but eventually we will be faced with conquering them or going into extinction.

It belongs to whomever can defend a claim to owning it.

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You might be right we are a war like species. The idealistic side of me likes to envision a global cooperative effort but the cynic in me agrees with you. This reimforces the urgency of making it a priority to establish our pressence there first. I think there is a distinct military advantage to being there first.

What would 2d printers have to do with it?

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3d printers are robotic manufacturing. Robotics can operate without the life support systems that you noted earlier we need. As they advance in complexity its not inconceivable that they could be used to produce structures complete with life support systems in advance of human arrival. That is a very big deal not just on the moon but also in advancing our colonization of space.



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