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Ohio investigation found 385 non-US citizens registered to vote, 82 cast illegal vote

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austrianecon said:
Actually.. Popular vote of your state determines how your State votes. You say it's not important.. but look at the 2000 election, in Florida, officially Bush won by 537 votes or .009%. So ya it kinda does matter considering if Florida went Gore's way, alot of things would have changed.
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More than half of the college is accounted for by faithless electors. They can vote for whomever they choose regardless of the popular vote of their home State.
 
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countryboy said:
Ironically, Ohio requires ID to vote, but doesn't give them away for free. I think a state ID is 8 bucks or so.
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There is no Voter ID law in Ohio.

Ohio law requires that every voter announce his or her full name and current address. Additionally, voters must provide some form of identification. A photo ID is not required.

A form of ID in Ohio can be Utility bill, including cell phone bill, Bank statement, Pay stub.
 
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Napoleon said:
More than half of the college is accounted for by faithless electors. They can vote for whomever they choose regardless of the popular vote of their home State.
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And yet none of those so called faithless electors have voted opposite of the popular vote in their States.
 
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austrianecon said:
And yet non of those so called faithless electors have voted opposite of the popular vote in their States.
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That is their choice.
 
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Napoleon said:
That is their choice.
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No, you should read Ray v. Blair. Supreme Court ruled it's within the State's right to force them to vote for candidate or be removed.
 
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austrianecon said:
No, you should read Ray v. Blair. Supreme Court ruled it's within the State's right to force them to vote for candidate or be removed.
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And only 29 States have such a requirement.
 
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Napoleon said:
And only 29 States have such a requirement.
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And how many States do you need to win to be President? Just 11. You can be President and only have 24% of the popular vote. But Political parties in those other 21 States have rules as well. No faithless electoral voter has EVER changed an election. Not once. Even when Liberals tried to do it in December. Hillary lost 7 votes, Trump lost 2.
 
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austrianecon said:
And how many States do you need to win to be President? Just 11. Political parties in those other 21 States have rules as well. No faithless electoral voter has EVER changed an election. Not once. Even when Liberals tried to do it in December. Hillary lost 7 votes, Trump lost 2.
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You don't need States. You need electors - over half of whom can vote for whomever they choose. They may or may not reach an agreement with one of the political parties, but that is also a choice. It's never changed an outcome, but the mechanism is there to do so and it has impacted prior elections. The Senate had to choose the Vice President in 1836 because faithless electors prevented an electoral college victory for him.
 
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Napoleon said:
You don't need States. You need electors - over half of whom can vote for whomever they choose. They may or may not reach an agreement with one of the political parties, but that is also a choice. It's never changed an outcome, but the mechanism is there to do so and it has impacted prior elections. The Senate had to choose the Vice President in 1836 because faithless electors prevented an electoral college victory for him.
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So you do realize you just said I am right. Who ever wins the electoral college according to the States, Will win period.
 
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ajn678 said:
Not a surprise that someone with your lack of logical thinking skills would try to equate the two. I was comparing tasks that required getting an ID compared to voting that does not. You don't need to take a test before you can drink at 21 either. Funny you didn't make such a stupid argument with that one.
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BWAHAHAHAHA. You made the argument. You just got exposed.
 
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austrianecon said:
There is no Voter ID law in Ohio.

Ohio law requires that every voter announce his or her full name and current address. Additionally, voters must provide some form of identification. A photo ID is not required.

A form of ID in Ohio can be Utility bill, including cell phone bill, Bank statement, Pay stub.
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Thanks. They always ask me for ID at the polls, I assumed it was required. Gee, I wonder how illegals are voting in our elections. :rolleyes:

https://www.sos.state.oh.us/SOS/elections/Voters/ID.aspx
 
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countryboy said:
Ironically, Ohio requires ID to vote, but doesn't give them away for free. I think a state ID is 8 bucks or so.
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Ours use to be $10 but, it still required some effort on the part of the person seeking it.

If you're too lazy to get an ID, I really can't see you bothering to vote.
 
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Top Cat said:
Hilarious. You equate gun ownership to driving. So you are in favor of testing before getting your gun permit? :lamo
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Testing is required before you get a CC permit. hardyharhar
 
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austrianecon said:
A form of ID in Ohio can be Utility bill, including cell phone bill, Bank statement, Pay stub.
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All of which required an ID.
 
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Gill said:
Most states that require voter ID with a photo already give one away free to anyone that asks.
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What good is an ID that is given to anyone that asks? The issue is the effort (and cost) required to obtain the supporting documents that should be required for getting that state issued photo ID.
 
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austrianecon said:
There is no Voter ID law in Ohio.

Ohio law requires that every voter announce his or her full name and current address. Additionally, voters must provide some form of identification. A photo ID is not required.

A form of ID in Ohio can be Utility bill, including cell phone bill, Bank statement, Pay stub.
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Hmm... If I have multiple utility bills, bank accounts and/or cell phones then I could vote multiple times?
 
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Samhain said:
Ohio investigation found 385 non-US citizens registered to vote, 82 cast illegal ballots



Not sure why our voting registration process runs on the honor system, but clearly it needs to change.
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And lets not forget one of the most powerful and connected politicians in California, Senate Pro Tem, Kevin de Leon, confessed to the media that half his family, and nearly every illegal alien, uses stolen identities in order to survive.

With a stolen identity, why not vote as well? A daily crime spree suddenly hits a moral brick wall when it comes time to vote for ones best interests?

Love to see someone make that argument.
 
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Visbek said:
:roll:

5,536,528 Ohioans voted in the 2016 election.

82 illegal votes is 0.00149% of the total number of voters.

There should be no question that terms like "rare" and "insignificant" properly describe this situation, and that steps which disenfranchise voters -- particularly poor voters -- are not a proportionate or valid response.

By the way, are you equally outraged over potential Russian interference in the US election? Although they did not directly manipulate voting machines, their actions probably influenced more than 90 Ohioans' votes.....
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That is still 82 illegal votes tha canceled out 82 good votes.

That is all that matters.
 
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Risky Thicket said:
How these numbers compare with previous elections?
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No idea Risky....Is there even reliable data to compare?
 
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WCH said:
Ours use to be $10 but, it still required some effort on the part of the person seeking it.

If you're too lazy to get an ID, I really can't see you bothering to vote.
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Well, I was mistaken. I always assumed that because they asked me for ID at the polls, it was required. Another poster informed me it is not so. You can show them just about anything, and tell them just about anything. It's no wonder we have illegals voting in our elections.

https://www.sos.state.oh.us/SOS/elections/Voters/ID.aspx
 
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Visbek said:
:roll:

5,536,528 Ohioans voted in the 2016 election.

82 illegal votes is 0.00149% of the total number of voters.

There should be no question that terms like "rare" and "insignificant" properly describe this situation, and that steps which disenfranchise voters -- particularly poor voters -- are not a proportionate or valid response.

By the way, are you equally outraged over potential Russian interference in the US election? Although they did not directly manipulate voting machines, their actions probably influenced more than 90 Ohioans' votes.....
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That's just in Ohio. I wonder what the percentage is in California or New York? Going to go out on a limb and guess a lot higher.
 
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countryboy said:
Well, I was mistaken. I always assumed that because they asked me for ID at the polls, it was required. Another poster informed me it is not so. You can show them just about anything, and tell them just about anything. It's no wonder we have illegals voting in our elections.

https://www.sos.state.oh.us/SOS/elections/Voters/ID.aspx
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I don't bother with my voter registration card...just show them my DL and they mark me off the list.

I'm glad to see Trump giving the powers back to the states where they belong.

https://dailyinfo.co/donald-trump-to-governors-were-giving-power-back-to-the-states/

Trump's DOJ dropping opposition to Texas voter ID law | TheHill
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
Hmm... If I have multiple utility bills, bank accounts and/or cell phones then I could vote multiple times?
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I don't think so. When you vote here they check your name and signature against a list with a copy of your signature when you registered to vote. Once you vote, it is recorded. Unless you went to great lengths to register at multiple precincts under different names, you couldn't vote multiple times. And while you evidently can vote on a provisional ballot with no ID whatsoever, you must return no later than 7 days following Election Day, with one of the forms of acceptable ID, or the provisional ballot is not counted.

https://www.sos.state.oh.us/SOS/elections/Voters/ID.aspx
 
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Renae said:
The old soft racism of "Minorities aren't capable of getting something like "an ID"... Funny how the VERY long list of things you NEED an ID for are ignored, it's just voting that matters right?
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I can't remember right now where I saw it, but it was someone who went out and interviewed minorities asking if they had ID. Not one said no. As a matter of fact they were insulted, as if they couldn't manage to get an ID. "Of course" was the typical answer. I'll have to look for that interview.
 
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Anyone who is focusing on the title of the thread(82 illegal votes), didn't read the actual article. They have no way to validate the actual number because they can only cross reference the BMV records, and in Ohio, a drivers license is only one of may IDs necessary to vote. Additionally, the article stated that dozens of initiatives and local races over the last election cycles were decided by single digit votes, so even a small number of invalid votes can and would make the difference.

There are clearly issues with the process in Ohio, and its safe to assume similar issues exist in other states.
 
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