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Democrats pick Tom Perez as DNC Chair

haymarket said:
Are you also subscribing to the idea that Democrats wanted to lose with Clinton?
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It's a "would you rather". The Dems would rather lose with Clinton than win with Bernie.
 
haymarket said:
Are you also subscribing to the idea that Democrats wanted to lose with Clinton?
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Of course they wanted to win. They wanted to deliver campaign promises made in backdoor rooms to the party insiders and donors. Bernie wanted to deliver campaign promises made on the podium to the people. That's the big difference between HRC and Bernie.

Here's my theory. Democrats are bound to the pharmaceutical companies, the fracking industry, the banks, the military industrial complex, and the private prison industry. Since they are bound to these special interests by major contributions, they cannot support progressive measures that reform these industries. Since they can't actually deliver real results. When they pander to people and argue that they contrast from the Republicans.. their voting block, African Americans, young people, urbanites, can point to Bill Clinton passing NAFTA and say wait a minute.. your rhetoric doesn't match the results. They can point to the Crime Bill and say, why'd you explode the prison population? That devastated urban communities.

It's not about Nader, the Russians, Comey, fake news, or identity politics. It goes back to Democrats taking big money from the banks and special interests, big money that robs them of their ability to contrast from Republicans in a stark, clear way.
 
haymarket said:
So you are not a Democrat speaking from you own experience then?

And you are NOT talking from close personal experience with friends who are Democrats and shared that belief with you?
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I'm an independent. I've worked in call centers for the DCCC, DNC, WWF, ACLU, ASPCA, does that make me a Democrat? I voted in the Democratic primary.. Does that make me a Democrat? I generally vote for down ballot Democratic candidates, does that make me a Democrat? I'm more of a Democrat then a Republican. But, the Democrats need to earn my vote. They're not entitled to it.
 
Winston said:
When they pander to people and argue that they contrast from the Republicans.. their voting block, African Americans, young people, urbanites, can point to Bill Clinton passing NAFTA and say wait a minute.. your rhetoric doesn't match the results. They can point to the Crime Bill and say, why'd you explode the prison population? That devastated urban communities.
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They might do better to examine legislation from the current millennium. ARRA, Dodd-Frank, the ACA, the end of FFELP, Lilly Ledbetter, CHIPRA, the Fair Sentencing Act, Hunger-Free Kids, and on and on.
 
Surrealistik said:
There is no honeymoon, and an establishment pick doesn't deserve one; guilty until proven innocent. I'm going to see what he does before applauding.
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All good! I respect people who stay true to their core values. I hope to advance my personal agenda with more grace, more honor, more humor and more Love. Best wishes to you and yours!
 
Greenbeard said:
They might do better to examine legislation from the current millennium. ARRA, Dodd-Frank, the ACA, the end of FFELP, Lilly Ledbetter, CHIPRA, the Fair Sentencing Act, Hunger-Free Kids, and on and on.
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Wasteful and disastrous interventionism in Syria and Libya, foot dragging (at best) on legal marijuana, Obama's and the Dem's collective failure to pass a public option during his control of the House and Senate, futile capitulation with the Republicans that only emboldened them, the TPP, systemic failure to rein in drug prices or even pass legislation to enable drug imports and Medicare negotiating (it's pathetic that he did nothing in the midst of ACA, and his House and Senate majorities to deal with the horrid 2003 'Medicare Modernization Act') to help alleviate the costs, and on and on.

Who do these neoliberals think they're fooling, other than themselves?
 
Greenbeard said:
They might do better to examine legislation from the current millennium. ARRA, Dodd-Frank, the ACA, the end of FFELP, Lilly Ledbetter, CHIPRA, the Fair Sentencing Act, Hunger-Free Kids, and on and on.
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Part of the reason why Bill Clinton's record was on display is undoubtedly because a Clinton was running again. The focus was unfairly on HRC's blunders as SoS. And not Obama administration successes. That's the Achilles heel of being a public figure for so long though. You bring up a great point. People should not overlook policy wins in Democratic ink.
 
Winston said:
Part of the reason why Bill Clinton's record was on display is undoubtedly because a Clinton was running again. The focus was unfairly on HRC's blunders as SoS. And not Obama administration successes. That's the Achilles heel of being a public figure for so long though. You bring up a great point. People should not overlook policy wins in Democratic ink.
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BHO successes?
 
Jack Hays said:
BHO successes?
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He was a great success when it comes to allowing terrorists to gain ground in the ME. I'm not saying Obama is a Muslim terrorist sympathizer, I'm just saying he did a lot to aid their cause.
 
Jack Hays said:
BHO successes?
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I credit Obama with avoiding full blown U.S. financial ruin when he took office. The ACA is a mixed bag. We have mediocre GDP growth. Libya is probably the biggest disaster to come from him. I was happy to see he commuted Chelsea Manning too. I think I've already expressed my true feelings on the Democratic party in this thread. But, I'm an open minded person. We live in a dynamic world. Good people can do bad things just as bad people can do good.
 
Surrealistik said:
Wasteful and disastrous interventionism in Syria and Libya, foot dragging (at best) on legal marijuana, Obama's and the Dem's collective failure to pass a public option during his control of the House and Senate, futile capitulation with the Republicans that only emboldened them, the TPP, systemic failure to rein in drug prices or even pass legislation to enable drug imports and Medicare negotiating (it's pathetic that he did nothing in the midst of ACA, and his House and Senate majorities to deal with the horrid 2003 'Medicare Modernization Act') to help alleviate the costs, and on and on.

Who do these neoliberals think they're fooling, other than themselves?
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It's pretty sad that the Dems can only point to toothless legislation that was often unpopular as a sign of "success". Lilly Ledbetter? Toothless. The ACA? Disaster. Dodd-Frank? Toothless, unpopular, AND GUTTED. As you've shown the list of failures by the DNC under Obama's terms were long and impactful.
 
Alan Dershowitz vowed to leave the Democratic party if Ellison won.

Alan Dershowitz Vows to Leave Dem Party if Ellison Elected DNC Chair


And former DNC chairman Howard Dean called Schumer's endorsement of Ellison a "kiss of death". Bernie Sanders and Chief Running Mouth Warren endorsed Ellison too.

Howard Dean Calls Schumer's Endorsement of Ellison a 'Kiss of Death'


And of course the prez tweeted over the news.....


Donald J. Trump
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@realDonaldTrump
Congratulations to Thomas Perez, who has just been named Chairman of the DNC. I could not be happier for him, or for the Republican Party!
5:02 PM - 25 Feb 2017

Dang that's funny!
 
vesper said:
Donald J. Trump
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@realDonaldTrump
Congratulations to Thomas Perez, who has just been named Chairman of the DNC. I could not be happier for him, or for the Republican Party!
5:02 PM - 25 Feb 2017

Dang that's funny!
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Not for my camp; Trump has it exactly right though: Perez will in all probability be at best a caretaker of the failing status quo within the Dem party, and thus an excellent outcome for the GOP.


reinoe said:
It's pretty sad that the Dems can only point to toothless legislation that was often unpopular as a sign of "success". Lilly Ledbetter? Toothless. The ACA? Disaster. Dodd-Frank? Toothless, unpopular, AND GUTTED. As you've shown the list of failures by the DNC under Obama's terms were long and impactful.
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I'm not sure I agree with this in its entirety, but it's close enough to the truth to merit a like.
 
Democrats : Hey DNC, we really need to reach out and appeal to the white working class, middle class and rural voters

DNC: LEEERRROYY JEENKINNSS !!!

Lol ! Great pick guys !
 
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Winston said:
Democrats pick Tom Perez to lead party against Trump, Republicans | Reuters

No olive branches today from the Democrats. The Democrats have echoed their message to progressives: "We don't want you in the party."
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Well they don't. They want pro-union ideologues only.

Look out establishment Dems.. progressives are going to primary you.
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Progressives don't even know what they believe. They're really just a cluster of cliches.

and if Democrats want to beat Republicans they better select grassroots candidates free from corporate entanglements.
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If you remove the corporate entanglements and Big Labor entanglements from the Democratic Party, there would be no Democrats in government, and the party wouldn't exist.

Looks like business as usual in the Democratic party. Actually, not a bad strategy.. Trump's bound to implode by the midterms.
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That's what they said about him the first 11 months of 2016. And now look.
 
Neomalthusian said:
Well they don't. They want pro-union ideologues only.
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Times are changing. Time to adapt.


Progressives don't even know what they believe. They're really just a cluster of cliches.
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Take 80% of Bernie's platform. Take campaign finance reform, single payer, transform our energy system, and income inequality, and hammer those points home. Hammer them home. Combine that with being on the right side of the social issues, pro gay marriage, pro choice, anti xenophobia, but, don't flaunt it because you don't want people to see that outside of your identity politics you're just a republican, then you've got a winning message.


If you remove the corporate entanglements and Big Labor entanglements from the Democratic Party, there would be no Democrats in government, and the party wouldn't exist.
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There's still some Democrats that stand for integrity.. Bernie Sanders, Tulsi Gabbard, Nina Turner, Linda Sarsour, Zephyr Teachout, Tim Canova



That's what they said about him the first 11 months of 2016. And now look.
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Yeah, well his approval rating is steadily declining. There's a populist tide swelling in this country. Occupy, the Election 2016, and Trump is a fake populist. He's a corporatist. Look at his financial cabinet. Trump is owned by Goldman Sachs. When the people realize Trump for the fraud he is they'll turn on him. Not everyone is a miserable partisan hack. If Trump fails to deliver on "insurance for everybody", if his Tax Cuts do what their designed to do, redistribute wealth to the 1%, it's all over for him. He's a fraud, a phony. He doesn't really care about blue collar people. His entire life he's stiffed, weaseled, and connived working people. Why would he change now?
 
Greenbeard said:
They might do better to examine legislation from the current millennium. ARRA, Dodd-Frank, the ACA, the end of FFELP, Lilly Ledbetter, CHIPRA, the Fair Sentencing Act, Hunger-Free Kids, and on and on.
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Are the beneficiaries of those acronyms large enough to create a national party? As a conservative, I see the benefits of a strong democrat party. As it stands now, the democrats have left the working stiff twisting in the wind.

Remember Obamas billions for "shovel ready jobs"? Obama allow that program to be sidelined by "the other democrats" who used EPA, environmental lawsuits, and procedural delays to prevent working class hands from grabbing those shovels. He did not have the stones to give the EO's necessary to order: "Get that **** moving now!"

So now, many of those people are now "independents who voted for trump". And what is the democrats message? "Resist". Resist what? Economic growth?

I hope the new leader leaves the rabble behind and returns to being the "party of the working man".
 
Winston said:
Times are changing. Time to adapt.
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Wrong. If you're a Democrat and don't support unions, you're a traitor, and if you're a unionite and don't vote Democrat, you're a traitor.

You're basically forced to support unions. If you don't like it, tough ****. Unions are your political party and they know what's best for you. Just do what they say.
 
African-Americans need to leave this party now - it's become a party for illegal migration activism - no future in it for African-Americans. Coretta Scott King was right to oppose illegal migration into the US, because it endangered income levels for poorer Americans, including African-Americans in particular.
 
Winston said:
Part of the reason why Bill Clinton's record was on display is undoubtedly because a Clinton was running again. The focus was unfairly on HRC's blunders as SoS. And not Obama administration successes. That's the Achilles heel of being a public figure for so long though. You bring up a great point. People should not overlook policy wins in Democratic ink.
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Lol..and what successes would those be ?
Obama made it clear that his legacy and agenda were on the ballot and well....Trump won 30 States

The fact Democrats think that Obama had nothing to do with this loss or the staggering Democrat losses since 2010 shows how divorced from reality they are on a party level.

Its great news for Conservatives like me
 
So basically these fools could not make a decision, so they are no better off than they were yesterday, and probably a lot worse.

And reform will just have to wait till they get around it.

And they almost certainly will stay out of power.

HECK OF A JOB!

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