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Under GOP draft of Obamacare Repeal Plan, a lot of people could Lose coverage

BWG said:
Weekly Standard...LOL...talk about 'Fake News'.

But anyway let's go with it. Quote from the article "These 16 million people are now receiving letters from their carriers saying they are losing their current coverage and must re-enroll..."

They're losing crappy insurance in order to get more comprehensive insurance.
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more comprehensive insurance that most didn't need and many could not afford.

and if you had a good comprehensive insurance plan through a union agreement you payed a "cadillac plan" tax on it.

awesome.
 
VP Pence several days ago addressed his audience at CPAC. He drew wild and enthusiastic cheers when he described ObamaCare as a Nightmare. Only one post in this thread from the many of you who support repeal of the ACA hinted at a good reason. Someone claimed to have lost their healthcare as a result of the ACA. That post provided scant details and left much to the imagination.

Reasons given in support of repeal: 1. The federal government has no business providing healthcare. 2. The ACA provides healthcare for the FEW at the expense of the MANY. 3. Liberals suck. Stop forcing a national debate. 4. The V.A. provides healthcare to veterans who have sacrificed for their country. 5. Those who support the ACA do not care about others. Stop lying. Delete your DP account. Join a monastery. Try to gain some minimal level of humanity. 6. Do not consider Breaking News about a Proposed Bill to repeal the ACA as Breaking News. You must post your thread in a Partisan section.

Reason given in support of the ACA: We have over 90% of Americans, an all time high, with healthcare coverage! Right on! Thank you Obama for showing us you really cared!
 
apdst said:
A lot of people lost coverage when Obamacare kicked in.

Let me guess: that was different.
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That's pretty weak - we know that overall millions more GOT coverage, 20 million more as I recall.
 
countryboy said:
Many lost their insurance altogether because they could not afford the more expensive plans that "covered more". You know, like maternity coverage for older couples who will never have children. :roll: You people do yourselves a disservice by repeating this stupid **** over and over. Even Bubba said, "it's the craziest thing". :roll:
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And you people do yourselves a disservice repeating stupid **** like that. When an actuary estimates the cost of insuring a woman not of childbearing age, how much do you think they put in the line for "maternity care/OB/etc."? Because they are not morons, they'll put a $0.00 in that box. So, yeah, the plan "covers" childbirth and related but there are no costs associated with it.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
more comprehensive insurance that most didn't need and many could not afford.

and if you had a good comprehensive insurance plan through a union agreement you payed a "cadillac plan" tax on it.

awesome.
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I've always wondered how people figured out what kind of healthcare coverage they "need." I didn't need coverage for arthritis, till I got arthritis and need a very expensive drug to manage it. Still haven't figured out how I could have anticipated that and adjusted coverage ahead of time.

FWIW, we haven't seen the GOP plan yet, but the Ryan plan would levy "Cadillac" taxes on many more plans than were affected by ACA. And no one has paid the Cadillac tax yet - it was deferred until 2020 I think.
 
exoplanet said:
Wow, ok. Do you know that union members actually voted for Trump in large numbers?
Anyway, what are your numbers and where do they come from?
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Facts? You think right wingers care about facts? :lamo
 
Henrin said:
And this is why you don't ever allow liberals to win. If they win then people get dependent and you can never remove their bull**** from existence without people getting hurt. Fact is liberals suck.
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But the problem was our medical system failed 10s of millions of people, and the trends were all in the wrong direction - decreasing share covered on private plans because employers were getting away from offering coverage, which meant increasing numbers covered by government plans or uninsured, and a steady increase in costs. And the GOP answer was "HELL NO!" aka nothing, they were too f'ing lazy to get off their asses and do anything, and so left it to democrats. When the democrats addressed it, the only thing the GOP has done so far is bitch and whine about how the democrats did it, with not a damn idea of their own about how to fix it.

Maybe we'll finally see the long awaited GOP healthcare plan and it will be wonderful.
 
JasperL said:
Facts? You think right wingers care about facts? :lamo
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Yes, actually. Some of them care quite a bit about them. That said, it's human nature to avoid looking at evidence that doesn't support our worldview. It's just a hard thing to do. I don't think it relates to political persuasion per se.

And if countryboy decides they want to present any facts, that door is still open...
 
mbig said:
How is it Partisan, Partisan guy?
The FACT is many will lose coverage. Kasich, Kaiser, cited by CNNMoney.
Hey, maybe be more explicit/blunt, and call the plan and it's effect "Fake News" too.
Yeah, that works!
Please note NO substantial/topical reply was made by Fenton.
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Your reaction seems to show that he was right. The op was partisan.
 
mbig said:
Unlike Obamacare, funded by Mandates, Medical device taxes, Cap Gains Taxes, the GOP plan is Unfunded, and will of course have to cut people, benefits, and raise prices.
Thereby eliminating coverage for many.
There is NO funding for even this much lesser coverage either.
It doesn't 'replace' Obamacare, it just eliminates care: the whole point of O'care.
Perhaps DOA/BSx2

Under draft of Republican's Obamacare repeal plan, a lot of people could lose coverage - Feb. 25, 2017
A draft of the House Republicans' bill to repeal Obamacare would replace its subsidies with Less generous tax credits, Increase the amount insurers could Charge older Americans and effectively Eliminate Medicaid for low-income adults.
by Tami Luhby

Hey, you want to lower taxes on the wealthy so others can die without care/in the street?
That's 'Trump Care.'
And it won't go into full effect until 2020, Trumpov could be gone by then.
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So...I looked through the thread and through your article but no where do I see a link to this proposed bill. Got a link to it? Because without it all that we're going by is the word of CNN. Which is not enough for me.
 
CriticalThought said:
Also false. Subsidies and Medicaid expansion covered the changes. That is why enrollment increased by millions and the U.S. is currently at its lowest uninsured rate.
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Giving more people something for nothing that other citizens have to pay for is unjust
 
Trippy Trekker said:
VP Pence several days ago addressed his audience at CPAC. He drew wild and enthusiastic cheers when he described ObamaCare as a Nightmare. Only one post in this thread from the many of you who support repeal of the ACA hinted at a good reason. Someone claimed to have lost their healthcare as a result of the ACA. That post provided scant details and left much to the imagination.

Reasons given in support of repeal: 1. The federal government has no business providing healthcare. 2. The ACA provides healthcare for the FEW at the expense of the MANY. 3. Liberals suck. Stop forcing a national debate. 4. The V.A. provides healthcare to veterans who have sacrificed for their country. 5. Those who support the ACA do not care about others. Stop lying. Delete your DP account. Join a monastery. Try to gain some minimal level of humanity. 6. Do not consider Breaking News about a Proposed Bill to repeal the ACA as Breaking News. You must post your thread in a Partisan section.

Reason given in support of the ACA: We have over 90% of Americans, an all time high, with healthcare coverage! Right on! Thank you Obama for showing us you really cared!
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To be honest, I think it's the fact that the government has taken control over something, one of the few major things, that are left entirely up to oneself. Healthcare is a personal thing. Most people don't see it that way, but it is. People are worried about themselves and their own coverage or non coverage because it's so important to have.
I am lucky that I get mine through my employer and I pay my share. Since ACA, my share has risen three times. That's a concern for me because it's taking money out of my family.
 
Groogrux said:
We had to pay more for the exact same plan and our deductible shot up.
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Yes, mine too.

As long as healthcare is a highly for profit business, it will continue to rise.
 
holbritter said:
Yes, mine too.

As long as healthcare is a highly for profit business, it will continue to rise.
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which the republican plan does nothing to address, or is trump for single payer and i missed it?
 
chromium said:
which the republican plan does nothing to address, or is trump for single payer and i missed it?
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I'm talking about healthcare as a whole. Not about anyone's plan.
 
JasperL said:
But the problem was our medical system failed 10s of millions of people, and the trends were all in the wrong direction - decreasing share covered on private plans because employers were getting away from offering coverage, which meant increasing numbers covered by government plans or uninsured, and a steady increase in costs. And the GOP answer was "HELL NO!" aka nothing, they were too f'ing lazy to get off their asses and do anything, and so left it to democrats. When the democrats addressed it, the only thing the GOP has done so far is bitch and whine about how the democrats did it, with not a damn idea of their own about how to fix it.

Maybe we'll finally see the long awaited GOP healthcare plan and it will be wonderful.
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Liberals wanted UHC since FDR, so it wasn't like they weren't waiting for the chance to get what they wanted all along.
 
Henrin said:
Liberals wanted UHC since FDR, so it wasn't like they weren't waiting for the chance to get what they wanted all along.
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Socialized medicine with the same healthcare for welfare bums that obama gets is an pipedream
 
mbig said:
That's what O'care was doing, if needing a tweek.
As I said, Obamacare was Funded, the new 'Trumpov/GOP Care' is NOT funded for ANY level of care.
It's going on the deficit, along with a larger military and large tax cut.
There is only ONE GOP issue for decades: Tax cut for the rich. Period.
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That is incorrect and, if you think about it, you would know that. A large number of those people are subsidized and so do not pay for their coverage.
 
To be honest, I think it's the fact that the government has taken control over something, one of the few major things, that are left entirely up to oneself. Healthcare is a personal thing
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I am lucky that I get mine through my employer and I pay my share. Since ACA, my share has risen three times. That's a concern for me because it's taking money out of my family.
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Thank you for giving us a couple of reasonable and logical reasons why you support repeal of the ACA! You have a dog in the fight. I can understand your resentment in that the ACA substantially increased you and your family's healthcare coverage cost.

My wife and I have a dog in this fight too. The ACA opened a door to coverage for us. We didn't have coverage... and now we do! We pay a very affordable premium and co-pays for a Silver Plan... have used it repeatedly and received excellent care! We absolutely support the ACA. We do not object to improving it. We object to repealing it without a solid replacement plan.
 
joG said:
No more or less at the fringe probably than liberals.
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Perhaps, but it was obviously sarcastic response to a person who dismisses any official data as union produced propaganda, which is a warm embrace of ignorance if believed.
 
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