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Homeland Security report disputes danger of Trump's travel ban targets

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Analysts at the agency in charge of implementing President Trump’s travel ban have disputed that people from the seven countries targeted in his executive order pose any particular threat to the U.S.

A Department of Homeland Security draft intelligence report published by the Associated Press says that citizenship in the countries is “unlikely to be a reliable indicator” that someone could carry out a terrorist attack.
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Oh this just gets better and better.:lamo

Homeland Security report disputes Trump's travel ban targets - NY Daily News
 
Risky Thicket said:
Trump and his minions absolutely hate research and the science behind research. Facts are not their friends. Do not ask and don't expect them to provide valid data to support their proposed actions. They will not be able to provide it.
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It's alarming and fascinating at the same time.
 
bluesmoke said:
Those individuals within HS that should be so inviolate will be dealt with. Resistance is futile.
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Tell the people that they are under attack and denounce the pacifists for being unpatriotic.
Goering, I think.
 
At this point Trump could ban Iceland and his supporters would find a way to defend it, facts and sound reasoning behind damned.
 
When is someone going to be put in jail for leaking classified information? This is unprecedented as to the quantity of classified information that's making it's way to the press.

Also, this sure sounds like it could be (as they called it) a draft document, that was drafted specifically to leak.

Once we get a couple years in and the Obama leftovers are thrown out of the kitchen, then I'll place more credit on a leaked "draft" document.
 
Grand Mal said:
Tell the people that they are under attack and denounce the pacifists for being unpatriotic.
Goering, I think.
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Goering, in effect, indeed. However, many before him have espoused the same in different words.
 
Beaudreaux said:
When is someone going to be put in jail for leaking classified information? This is unprecedented as to the quantity of classified information that's making it's way to the press.

Also, this sure sounds like it could be (as they called it) a draft document, that was drafted specifically to leak.

Once we get a couple years in and the Obama leftovers are thrown out of the kitchen, then I'll place more credit on a leaked "draft" document.
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Really? THAT is what concerns you on this? Wow.
 
Top Cat said:
Oh this just gets better and better.:lamo

Homeland Security report disputes Trump's travel ban targets - NY Daily News
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The reason for the ban is because these states do not vet or control their own immigration. The report says citizens of these countries are rarely involved in terrorist attacks. If the countries involved don't vet immigrants, who knows if they are citizens of these countries or NOT?

Look, either the POTUS has the power to do this or he doesn't. That is what's on the line here. It would appear he does. President Obama did it. I fail to see a difference. EXCEPT that Trump's opposition is doing any and everything to thwart his agenda.

Now, about the report...Why does the report say it is based on unclassified information? What good is that if it doesn't include all available intelligence?

When was it prepared?
It was prepared by the "acting Undersecretary." Is that person left over from the Obama administration?
How did the AP get this document?

Here it is, which is more than our OP provided...

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3474730-DHS-intelligence-document-on-President-Donald.html
 
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Top Cat said:
Really? THAT is what concerns you on this? Wow.
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Whether it's real or not concerns me, yes. If it's real, and not as the DHS said just one guy's opinion, then we can talk about the content of the document. However, that classified information is leaking out of almost every department in the federal government concerns the hell out me. THAT doesn't concern you? Wow.

Also, the fact that many of the countries on that list don't even have a freaking government for the US to rely on in doing background checks on people wanting to travel to the US from those countries, and some are active-freaking-war zones... the fact that none of that matters to some on the left also concerns the ever loving **** out me, because they're letting their hatred for one guy make them ignore REAL danger just so they can try to score SJW BS points in the media.

I don't like Trump at all. But, just like I did with Obama, Bush II, Clinton, and all the others, I'm going to look at the actual things that are done, the actual reasons behind them, and the actual impact of those things that are done.

On this one, I agree with the action. It's temporary, and it makes sense.

Using the national origin of the last 85 or whatever number terrorist attack perpetrators as a reason to allow open borders with countries that don't have an operating government or are an active-freaking-war zone, is dangerous as hell.

THAT should matter to us all.
 
MaggieD said:
The reason for the ban is because these states do not vet or control their own immigration. The report says citizens of these countries are rarely involved in terrorist attacks. If the countries involved don't vet immigrants, who knows if they are citizens of these countries or NOT?

Look, either the POTUS has the power to do this or he doesn't. That is what's on the line here. It would appear he does. President Obama did it. I fail to see a difference. EXCEPT that Trump's opposition is doing any and everything to thwart his agenda.

Now, about the report...Why does the report say it is based on unclassified information? What good is that if it doesn't include all available intelligence?

When was it prepared?
It was prepared by the "acting Undersecretary." Is that person left over from the Obama administration?
How did the AP get this document?

Here it is, which is more than our OP provided...

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3474730-DHS-intelligence-document-on-President-Donald.html
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Wow. You really really have the Trump flu.
 
Beaudreaux said:
Whether it's real or not concerns me, yes. If it's real, and not as the DHS said just one guy's opinion, then we can talk about the content of the document. However, that classified information is leaking out of almost every department in the federal government concerns the hell out me. THAT doesn't concern you? Wow.

Also, the fact that many of the countries on that list don't even have a freaking government for the US to rely on in doing background checks on people wanting to travel to the US from those countries, and some are active-freaking-war zones... the fact that none of that matters to some on the left also concerns the ever loving **** out me, because they're letting their hatred for one guy make them ignore REAL danger just so they can try to score SJW BS points in the media.

I don't like Trump at all. But, just like I did with Obama, Bush II, Clinton, and all the others, I'm going to look at the actual things that are done, the actual reasons behind them, and the actual impact of those things that are done.

On this one, I agree with the action. It's temporary, and it makes sense.

Using the national origin of the last 85 or whatever number terrorist attack perpetrators as a reason to allow open borders with countries that don't have an operating government or are an active-freaking-war zone, is dangerous as hell.

THAT should matter to us all.
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Did it occur to you that the reason so many leaks are happening is because people that give a **** want the truth to see the light of day?
 
Top Cat said:
Wow. You really really have the Trump flu.
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It's called critical thinking...trust but verify, perhaps. But not Trump Flu. I notice you didn't address a single thing I discovered in actually, you know, reading the report. I've raised interesting points -- the answers to which reflect importantly on the document and it's credibility.

Keep drinkin' the Kool Ade.

You didn't address the issues because you are either lazy, hope you don't find answers that destroy your meme, or are afraid it's really fake news.
 
Beaudreaux said:
Whether it's real or not concerns me, yes. If it's real, and not as the DHS said just one guy's opinion, then we can talk about the content of the document. However, that classified information is leaking out of almost every department in the federal government concerns the hell out me. THAT doesn't concern you? Wow.

Also, the fact that many of the countries on that list don't even have a freaking government for the US to rely on in doing background checks on people wanting to travel to the US from those countries, and some are active-freaking-war zones... the fact that none of that matters to some on the left also concerns the ever loving **** out me, because they're letting their hatred for one guy make them ignore REAL danger just so they can try to score SJW BS points in the media.

I don't like Trump at all. But, just like I did with Obama, Bush II, Clinton, and all the others, I'm going to look at the actual things that are done, the actual reasons behind them, and the actual impact of those things that are done.

On this one, I agree with the action. It's temporary, and it makes sense.

Using the national origin of the last 85 or whatever number terrorist attack perpetrators as a reason to allow open borders with countries that don't have an operating government or are an active-freaking-war zone, is dangerous as hell.

THAT should matter to us all.
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Exactly.
 
MaggieD said:
It's called critical thinking...trust but verify, perhaps. But not Trump Flu. I notice you didn't address a single thing I discovered in actually, you know, reading the report. I've raised interesting points -- the answers to which reflect importantly on the document and it's credibility.

Keep drinkin' the Kool Ade.

You didn't address the issues because you are either lazy, hope you don't find answers that destroy your meme, or are afraid it's really fake news.
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All you did was try to wiggle Trump off the hook. His own agency thoroughly destroyed the basis of his ban. And your response was to attempt to bob and weave.

Carry on your delusion.
 
Top Cat said:
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All you did was try to wiggle Trump off the hook. His own agency thoroughly destroyed the basis of his ban. And your response was to attempt to bob and weave.

Carry on your delusion.
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Again you ignore sensible questions and attack the messenger. Without the answer to my questions? Your OP is worthless.
 
Kind of surprising since these bans are good business for DHS (like a level 3 weed classification is for DEA), and they zealously enforced the EO immediately

But i also wouldn't be surprised if these agencies turn against Trump, the way he's frequently called them out
 
MaggieD said:
Again you ignore sensible questions and attack the messenger. Without the answer to my questions? Your OP is worthless.
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For ****'s sake Maggie., your head in the sand attitude about everything Trump belies your intelligence.
 
Top Cat said:
For ****'s sake Maggie., your head in the sand attitude about everything Trump belies your intelligence.
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Answer my questions or tell me why the answers don't matter. Stop attacking me personally. I'm done for tonight. Perhaps we'll meet again some time tomorrow.
 
MaggieD said:
Answer my questions or tell me why the answers don't matter. Stop attacking me personally. I'm done for tonight. Perhaps we'll meet again some time tomorrow.
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That wasn't a personal attack. It was an attack on your post and your consistent disregard for all things Trump.
 
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chromium said:
Kind of surprising since these bans are good business for DHS (like a level 3 weed classification is for DEA), and they zealously enforced the EO immediately

But i also wouldn't be surprised if these agencies turn against Trump, the way he's frequently called them out
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Precisely why the leaks can't be a surprise.
 
Top Cat said:
That wasn't a personal attack. It was an attack on your post and your consistent disregard for all things Trump.
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But, in this instance, you have offered nothing of substance to counter what she said.
A draft report is, well, a draft report. It reflects the opinion of the prople who wrote it. Doesnt mean everyone in the department agrees. Nor does it mean its the final opinion.
 
Top Cat said:
Did it occur to you that the reason so many leaks are happening is because people that give a **** want the truth to see the light of day?
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Maybe so.
However, impugning the motives of others, while self aggrandising the importance of one's self, is scacely appealing.
When faced with such a situation however, there are no end of private foundations and agencies one could find employment which would satisfy one's advocacy concerns. Short of that, do the job for which they are paid.
 
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