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Mac77 said:

I dont knows any republican who is demanding to see trump's tax returns And I am a republican This is just a leftwing witchhunt

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Well that's as scientific as Trump's claim about crowd size... :roll:

Tell us your polling data and how you collected it, this ought to be amusing, or a bit sad, depending... eace

notquiteright said:

Well that's as scientific as Trump's claim about crowd size... :roll:

Tell us your polling data and how you collected it, this ought to be amusing, or a bit sad, depending... eace

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You seem to have found phony polling data about me that I was. Not aware of

But I suppose if some liberal pollster tells you I and other republicans want to see trumps tax returns who am I to argue?

Master PO said:

placing labels is what is happening and its done with little ease these days.

my discussion was not so much about trump, but people who seek an issue which is not an issue.

what the left hopes to do is analyze trumps tax return and look to use it against him, of course the IRS has already found them in order of it would have been a campaign issue of what is incorrect within them. its been the left actively seeking them for a long time now, now can you produce right wing groups who want his tax returns and demanding them loudly? if so, please show me and everyone else, so we can be fair and balance on this issue of his returns.

'going my way' segment the left has created over the last 50 PLUS years, a larger and more intrusive government and moved it closer to socialism, they have moved into education, the media, and gotten many on the lower federal courts, and they felt pretty secure in thinking Hillary was going to win, and they would gain control of the USSC

however they never expected trump to win, they look at him as a fool and didn't worry about trying to defeat him, which backfired, now they see all they have done in those 50 plus years in jeopardy, trump with the republicans could literally kill everything the left have done and install on the court, judges not favorable to them making them irrelevant.

is the country going the way the right wants?......, for some, yes, for some, a little, the republicans never fall in lock step and never have, the party is never truly behind the president in what he wants to do.

i myself am a libertarian, not a conservative, the reason i am happy with him so far is the reductions in the size and scope of the federal government and its law making ability returning power to the state governments.

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You dodge some more. You claimed only the Left wants his tax returns made public. (the IRS not reporting an issue is a red herring- they would only make something public if he violated federal tax law.) Many of 'us' think he lies about his taxable income, how much he really gave to charities- like he lies about so much else. I produced a poll that shows a MAJORITY of AMERICANS want Trump to release his returns (you now move the goalposts to be only 'groups' who want them in reply to YOUR statement which never mentioned organized groups... :doh )

GOP congressmen have called for him to release them, that the issue means far more to the Dems doesn't mean no one else cares. You are CONfused.

You make yet another RR dodge by only claiming 'liberal' actions go back 50 years. Socialism goes back to BEFORE we even have a nation. Learn why certain areas are called 'Commons'. Long before companies built our barns we got together as a SOCIAL event and helped our neighbors without thought of pay past a good meal and perhaps a dance when done. We wouldn't have an educational system without a LIBERAL push- that Conservatives shunned being educators for better paying jobs now looks like a bad move- but can't blame liberals for that.

Judges, that's funny, a judge nominated by BUSHII cast the deciding vote FOR the ACA! :shock:

Imagine that, judges not caring about partisanship as much as doing the correct thing.

Ahh libertarian-ism - once defined as Conservatism wearing a condom to not catch anything but never reproducing...

So vague, so academic- it never seems to leave the bar stools or 3 am sophomoric BS session. Many Liberts are rabid right but like to pretend they only care about lower taxes (but maintain our roads, schools, services), less regulation (until a landfill company buys land near their home), 'return' power to the states (we fought a civil war to set that straight) and other babble that has as much change of becoming national policy as a snowball you know where.

I have seen a few administrations in my time- Obama didn't 'ruin the nation' and Trump won't 'Make America Great Again'. Reagan didn't give us a new dawn but turned us from a creditor nation to a debtor one. Republicans and their wannabee tag along Libertarians were in great lockstep as the party of NO, now they have to lead and that will not be pretty.

Sure some on the far left feel the rabid right will try and knock same sex, healthcare, environment back 50 years. I tend to see the process as a bit tougher than that. I beleive for all Trump and his echoes want to claim the protesters are 'paid thugs', many in Congress think otherwise. Sure some congress folks are in gerrymandered districts and feel immune, enough aren't that just might not want to face real opposition in 2 years.

We live in interesting times... eace

Mac77 said:

You seem to have found phony polling data about me that I was. Not aware of. But I suppose if some liberal pollster tells you I and other republicans want to see trumps tax returns who am I to argue?

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I tend to believe there is a lot you are not aware of. I understand that Trump echoes now claim anything they don't like is fake or phony... :roll:

But you dodge my question about YOUR statement- just how did you come to your claim of not knowing any republicans wanting to see his return- did you miss Sen. McCain saying trump should release the tax return... it was on ALL the media outlets- even Faux Noise... eace

notquiteright said:

You dodge some more. You claimed only the Left wants his tax returns made public. (the IRS not reporting an issue is a red herring- they would only make something public if he violated federal tax law.) Many of 'us' think he lies about his taxable income, how much he really gave to charities- like he lies about so much else. I produced a poll that shows a MAJORITY of AMERICANS want Trump to release his returns (you now move the goalposts to be only 'groups' who want them in reply to YOUR statement which never mentioned organized groups... :doh )

GOP congressmen have called for him to release them, that the issue means far more to the Dems doesn't mean no one else cares. You are CONfused.

You make yet another RR dodge by only claiming 'liberal' actions go back 50 years. Socialism goes back to BEFORE we even have a nation. Learn why certain areas are called 'Commons'. Long before companies built our barns we got together as a SOCIAL event and helped our neighbors without thought of pay past a good meal and perhaps a dance when done. We wouldn't have an educational system without a LIBERAL push- that Conservatives shunned being educators for better paying jobs now looks like a bad move- but can't blame liberals for that.

Judges, that's funny, a judge nominated by BUSHII cast the deciding vote FOR the ACA! :shock:

Imagine that, judges not caring about partisanship as much as doing the correct thing.

Ahh libertarian-ism - once defined as Conservatism wearing a condom to not catch anything but never reproducing...

So vague, so academic- it never seems to leave the bar stools or 3 am sophomoric BS session. Many Liberts are rabid right but like to pretend they only care about lower taxes (but maintain our roads, schools, services), less regulation (until a landfill company buys land near their home), 'return' power to the states (we fought a civil war to set that straight) and other babble that has as much change of becoming national policy as a snowball you know where.

I have seen a few administrations in my time- Obama didn't 'ruin the nation' and Trump won't 'Make America Great Again'. Reagan didn't give us a new dawn but turned us from a creditor nation to a debtor one. Republicans and their wannabee tag along Libertarians were in great lockstep as the party of NO, now they have to lead and that will not be pretty.

Sure some on the far left feel the rabid right will try and knock same sex, healthcare, environment back 50 years. I tend to see the process as a bit tougher than that. I beleive for all Trump and his echoes want to claim the protesters are 'paid thugs', many in Congress think otherwise. Sure some congress folks are in gerrymandered districts and feel immune, enough aren't that just might not want to face real opposition in 2 years.

We live in interesting times... eace

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ok, lets say your right right and i am wrong on who wants his returns, do democrats want is returns, you bet they DO and why?........because they want to see it they can find some ammo in them to use against trump, even though producing is not a lawful requirement, why are you asking for something he does not need to do and has no part of law?...again why?

socialism as you call it, were people come together voluntary to help each other is a good and noble thing, but again its voluntary PEOPLE ARE NOT FORCED.

socialism of government is force, because it forces people to become part of things created by the government they don't want to be part of and makes them pay for it.

socialism in the sense of giving people money/material goods was brought back in the early 1960's from before when it ended during WWII, so for about about 55 years ago and since that time the social welfare state and social programs that people are forced to pay for have grown and to a point they cannot be sustained and will fail.

can you tell what kind of a point your are making with a judge casting a vote for THE ACA......

can you tell me what the correct thing is?.....judges on the court are supposed to render decisions based on if a law is constitutional, not based on doing the right thing because thats subjective.

the rest of your posting is a personal rant---shows anger and lack of focuses on what is being said here

Master PO said:

ok, lets say your right right and i am wrong on who wants his returns, do democrats want is returns, you bet they DO and why?........because they want to see it they can find some ammo in them to use against trump, even though producing is not a lawful requirement, why are you asking for something he does not need to do and has no part of law?...again why? socialism as you call it were people come together voluntary to help each other is a good and noble thing, but again itS voluntary PEOPLE ARE NOT FORCED. socialism of government is force, because it forces people to become part of things created by the government they don't want to be part of and makes them pay for it. socialism in the sense of giving people money/material goods was brought back in the early 1960's from before when it ended during WWII, so for about about 55 years ago and since that time the social welfare state and social programs that people are forced to pay for have grown and to a point they cannot be sustained and will fail. can you tell what kind of a point your are making with a judge casting a vote for THE ACA......can you tell me what the correct thing is?.....judges on the court are suppose to render decisions based on its a law is constitutional, not based on doing the right thing., because thats subjective. personal ranting---shows anger and lack of focuses on what is being say here

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So now you concede more than just the Left want him to make his taxes public...

it is an entirely different issue on the 'why'. Trump seems to have something to hide. More than just Democrats want to know, and I'll wager a shiny nickel some Republicans would use it against Trump if he continues to push in directions they don't like. The why is simple enough... what if he has ties to Russia by loans or business deals? What if he owes some major corporations money or took rather large 'loans' he hasn't been in any hurry to repay? The IRS could care less- doesn't violate federal tax law- but the American People should know who Trump has been working with.

Your definition of socialism is flawed once again. Socialism in the early days was as much for survival of both individual and society as socialism is now. A far different economy existed back in the earlier days, the 'commons' for grazing to survive as well.

Today our economy runs on a far different level and the gulf between those who can wreck an economy and those who suffer for it is wide and deep. The 'socialism' you despise has been WILDLY successful for the vast MAJORITY of taxpayers. Yeah i know a few malcontents feel they shouldn't have to pay, but there are always a few. Your complaint started in 1935, 81 years ago, you just have a 'hippy' complex.

Your definition of 'socialism' would include the taxes we pay to build bridges and roads. you would have to argue only roads are private or toll. How about law enforcement??? A real libertarian would say each man guards his own goods. Where does law enforcement quit being forced on us and voluntary? Where do we start paying for it?

Like I said libertarian 'logic' never makes it out of the bar, or study hall. This is why most Conservatives only pay lip service to the parts that reduce taxes or those annoying regulations that don't let them dump wastes where ever they want. This is why the Libertarian Party is a no starter and most Liberts covey to the GOP.

Angry??? You are mistaken, I learned long ago anger gives you tunnel vision, a grunt keeps his head on a swivel... I am smiling as I debate you. Your first post was false and your attempts to spin, justify, and now whine about rants are amusing... eace

notquiteright said:

So now you concede more than just the Left want him to make his taxes public...

it is an entirely different issue on the 'why'. Trump seems to have something to hide. More than just Democrats want to know, and I'll wager a shiny nickel some Republicans would use it against Trump if he continues to push in directions they don't like. The why is simple enough... what if he has ties to Russia by loans or business deals? What if he owes some major corporations money or took rather large 'loans' he hasn't been in any hurry to repay? The IRS could care less- doesn't violate federal tax law- but the American People should know who Trump has been working with.

Your definition of socialism is flawed once again. Socialism in the early days was as much for survival of both individual and society as socialism is now. A far different economy existed back in the earlier days, the 'commons' for grazing to survive as well.

Today our economy runs on a far different level and the gulf between those who can wreck an economy and those who suffer for it is wide and deep. The 'socialism' you despise has been WILDLY successful for the vast MAJORITY of taxpayers. Yeah i know a few malcontents feel they shouldn't have to pay, but there are always a few. Your complaint started in 1935, 81 years ago, you just have a 'hippy' complex.

Your definition of 'socialism' would include the taxes we pay to build bridges and roads. you would have to argue only roads are private or toll. How about law enforcement??? A real libertarian would say each man guards his own goods. Where does law enforcement quit being forced on us and voluntary? Where do we start paying for it?

Like I said libertarian 'logic' never makes it out of the bar, or study hall. This is why most Conservatives only pay lip service to the parts that reduce taxes or those annoying regulations that don't let them dump wastes where ever they want. This is why the Libertarian Party is a no starter and most Liberts covey to the GOP.

Angry??? You are mistaken, I learned long ago anger gives you tunnel vision, a grunt keeps his head on a swivel... I am smiling as I debate you. Your first post was false and your attempts to spin, justify, and now whine about rants are amusing... eace

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oh please.

your statements are half rants and the other half is wrong about socialism and our history.

taxes in america until 1913 were indirect taxes not direct taxes and when direct taxes were created they were meant to be only on the richest people at 3%

indirect taxes are not forced, they are voluntary and people paid them based on commerce and that money was used to pay for government

direct taxes are taxes with force, ..don't pay go to jail and now used to fund the government , which has expanded greatly over the last 50 plus years.

in 1935 the u.s.government create SS which was created on the individual not the collective, every person was given an individual number and the money they paid in went in under that SS number, it was never meant to be put into a collective pool.

during the 30's government gave people money because of the depression, but that ended during WWII and it was called " relief"

in 1962 relief" was bought back but renamed "welfare" and since that time government has continued to create more socialism like Medicare and Medicaid, which the government predicted in 1965 would cost 19 billion in 1990, and in 1990 it cost over 200 billion.........over 10X the amount.

socialism is a failure, because it continues to cost more money continually and it cannot be sustained.


and again which you dodged!......why do democrats want trumps tax returns, when they are not required by law? THE IRS has already reviewed his tax return and that should be good enough.. i dont hear anything but something personal from you

Master PO said:

nice label!

does the left want him to release them, yes,

all of them?... yes!

do all republicans, no! because its not necessary or a requirement of law

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notquiteright said:

So now you concede more than just the Left want him to make his taxes public...

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key words there are "do all republicans, no!

Trump can't release his tax returns.