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British Muslim schoolteacher denied entry to US

EMNofSeattle said:
what I'm trying to find out is the reason he was denied entry.

I cross the border fairly regularily for my job, and know a number of truck drivers in your country who are immigrants from other countries, I haven't heard of Iraqi born Canadian drivers being denied entry into the country, or of Indian drivers, and I think with how many I interact with (the Sihks, Somalis, and Iraqis seemed to dominate the port driver industry in Vancouver and regularily cross into America) I would've heard.

So i find it hard to believe this comes from a central policy of denying anyone who might be moslem from entering the US. There are many reasons one can be denied entry, there could be criminal history, risk of being a public charge (btw your country will turn away people who look unhealthy if they can't prove they have assets sufficient to cover a hospital stay), if they've violated visa conditions in this country or others or if their luggage isn't what an officer considers consistent with their intended stay (like for example they have three bags of clothes and a folder full of resumes and they claim they're only chaperoning a 5 day field trip)

So there's many reasons CBP might turn someone away at a port of entry and the article doesn't contain many details.
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The article did stated; "No satisfactory reason has been provided for refusing entry to the United States - either at the airport in Iceland or subsequently at the embassy.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
The article did stated; "No satisfactory reason has been provided for refusing entry to the United States - either at the airport in Iceland or subsequently at the embassy.
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satisfactory in who's opinion? what was the unsatisfactory answer?
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
There are laws and limits. If they were within the law they wouldn't have to worry about such a litmus test.
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there is no law at stake here, CBP officers have a right to exclude anyone from the country at time of report who is not a US National.

the laws and limits are applied after the foreign national has been denied admission. he can seek redress outside the country, that's near universally how it works.

If I get denied admission to Canada tommorow when I take a load to Vancouver, I'll be turned around and will have to contest it at the Canadian consulate.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
there is no law at stake here, CBP officers have a right to exclude anyone from the country at time of report who is not a US National.

the laws and limits are applied after the foreign national has been denied admission. he can seek redress outside the country, that's near universally how it works.

If I get denied admission to Canada tommorow when I take a load to Vancouver, I'll be turned around and will have to contest it at the Canadian consulate.
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No explanation has been provided: The Welsh first minister, Carwyn Jones, has written to the foreign secretary, Boris Johnson, asking for “urgent clarification”. The US has not commented.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
No explanation has been provided: The Welsh first minister, Carwyn Jones, has written to the foreign secretary, Boris Johnson, asking for “urgent clarification”. The US has not commented.
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Then he can contest it with the consulate. my whole point here is, it's quite a leap to go immediately to "well he clearly was denied for being a moslem" when there is many reasons border officers deny admission, and in my case, I interact with foreign national moslems who enter the US multiple times a day with no issues.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Then he can contest it with the consulate. my whole point here is, it's quite a leap to go immediately to "well he clearly was denied for being a moslem" when there is many reasons border officers deny admission, and in my case, I interact with foreign national moslems who enter the US multiple times a day with no issues.
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I believe that is what he was trying to do when he was also denied access to the consular officer at a U.S. Embassy.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
what I'm trying to find out is the reason he was denied entry.

I cross the border fairly regularily for my job, and know a number of truck drivers in your country who are immigrants from other countries, I haven't heard of Iraqi born Canadian drivers being denied entry into the country, or of Indian drivers, and I think with how many I interact with (the Sihks, Somalis, and Iraqis seemed to dominate the port driver industry in Vancouver and regularily cross into America) I would've heard.

So i find it hard to believe this comes from a central policy of denying anyone who might be moslem from entering the US. There are many reasons one can be denied entry, there could be criminal history, risk of being a public charge (btw your country will turn away people who look unhealthy if they can't prove they have assets sufficient to cover a hospital stay), if they've violated visa conditions in this country or others or if their luggage isn't what an officer considers consistent with their intended stay (like for example they have three bags of clothes and a folder full of resumes and they claim they're only chaperoning a 5 day field trip)

So there's many reasons CBP might turn someone away at a port of entry and the article doesn't contain many details.
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It's bizarre. He's a British citizen, born in Birmingham. He was given a visa to enter the US, passed the random check in Reykjavik, and then, before the plane took off, was taken from the plane and had to return to Britain the next day. He wasn't given any explanation- in fact he wasn't allowed to enter the US Embassy to try to find out what was going on.
If he wasn't told the reason he was denied, we're not likely to ever know.
 
Grand Mal said:
It's bizarre. He's a British citizen, born in Birmingham. He was given a visa to enter the US, passed the random check in Reykjavik, and then, before the plane took off, was taken from the plane and had to return to Britain the next day. He wasn't given any explanation- in fact he wasn't allowed to enter the US Embassy to try to find out what was going on.
If he wasn't told the reason he was denied, we're not likely to ever know.
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We may never know, but I'm sure Boris Johnson's office will be told the reason. If they haven't been told already. It is a bizarre case, but I don't want to go to the "he was banned for being moslem" and "oh evil donald trump" train right away before knowing the reason. there are dozens of reasons consular officers deny admission but statistically the vast majority, like in the high 90% range are admitted and I interact with canadian moslems who enter the US every day and have for years without issues.

it's also possible the officer who denied entry screwed up and is under investigation in which case reasons would not be told, to the public at least, until that was concluded.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
We may never know, but I'm sure Boris Johnson's office will be told the reason. If they haven't been told already. It is a bizarre case, but I don't want to go to the "he was banned for being moslem" and "oh evil donald trump" train right away before knowing the reason. there are dozens of reasons consular officers deny admission but statistically the vast majority, like in the high 90% range are admitted and I interact with canadian moslems who enter the US every day and have for years without issues.

it's also possible the officer who denied entry screwed up and is under investigation in which case reasons would not be told, to the public at least, until that was concluded.
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The OP asked a question and had valid concerns. I think we can live political politics aside to see this case is nerve racking and was handled terribly.
 
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