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John Boehner Says Repealing Obamacare is ‘Not Going to Happen’

mbig said:
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And I agree, even if they rename it, the framework will remain.
There is no other viable GOP solution or we'd have heard it by now.

Any Proposal needs subsidization to get healthcare for the the Tens of Millions who cannot otherwise afford it, or who have pre-existing.
Obamacare, through mandates, and taxes Cap Gains of high earners 3.9%, etc, pays for these otherwise unaffordable policies.
Trump et al, OTOH wants to lower the top bracket and get rid of the ACA levy.
SO...the GOP can't do more with less. There'll be 'fixes', but they won't be cheaper.
Math Rules.

John Boehner Says Repealing Obamacare is ‘Not Going to Happen’
Julia Zorthian 2/23/17
John Boehner: Obamacare Repeal "Not Going to Happen" | Fortune.com

Also see:
John Boehner predicts Obamacare won't be repealed
Boehner: Obamacare repeal 'Not going to happen' - Business Insider
John Boehner Gut Punches Republicans By Admitting Obamacare Repeal Will Never Happen
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Trump has ordered the IRS not to enforce the Obamacare requirements, this is essentially a repeal.
 
Captain Adverse said:
There is already a simple solution if people have the guts to implement it.

Combine Medicare and Medicaid and extend it as a single-payer plan to all American citizens, with a slight tax increase to make up the increased coverage. :twocents:

Voila! An already existing system that can be used to provide health coverage for everyone. :coffeepap:
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And with that everyone but the politically connected is stuck with crappy Healthcare and Insurance, like most of Europe or Canada.
 
Casca XV said:
Trump has ordered the IRS not to enforce the Obamacare requirements, this is essentially a repeal.
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So you are happy then. Great! Hey Cons, it has been repealed. Hey, everyone else, its not going to be repealed. There everyone is happy.

Casca XV said:
And with that everyone but the politically connected is stuck with crappy Healthcare and Insurance, like most of Europe or Canada.
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um, which yields superior results at a much lower cost than that of the US (and its much more popular as well).... seems like a win, win, win to go that way.

Healthcare System Ratings: U.S., Great Britain, Canada | Gallup
 
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mbig said:
Centerpiece
And I agree, even if they rename it, the framework will remain.
There is no other viable GOP solution or we'd have heard it by now.

Any Proposal needs subsidization to get healthcare for the the Tens of Millions who cannot otherwise afford it, or who have pre-existing.
Obamacare, through mandates, and taxes Cap Gains of high earners 3.9%, etc, pays for these otherwise unaffordable policies.
Trump et al, OTOH wants to lower the top bracket and get rid of the ACA levy.
SO...the GOP can't do more with less. There'll be 'fixes', but they won't be cheaper.
Math Rules.

John Boehner Says Repealing Obamacare is ‘Not Going to Happen’
Julia Zorthian 2/23/17
John Boehner: Obamacare Repeal "Not Going to Happen" | Fortune.com

Also see:
John Boehner predicts Obamacare won't be repealed
Boehner: Obamacare repeal 'Not going to happen' - Business Insider
John Boehner Gut Punches Republicans By Admitting Obamacare Repeal Will Never Happen
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John Boehner is probably one of the most practical politicians I have ever seen and he was a great speaker of the house who didn't conform to the alt-right's visions of grandeur. He's just letting the base know before they get all disappointed when it doesn't happen. Don't say he didn't warn ya.
 
Captain Adverse said:
Hmm.

Well, I am Libertarian-Left because I believe there are some things government should provide for in addition to defense and justice. They include a standard education because an informed citizenry is as much a barrier to tyranny as the right to keep and bear arms, and health care is in the interest of the common welfare of all citizens.

This is nothing new, as I have always argued for single-payer healthcare coverage and the importance of a national education policy.
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No Captain, It's more accurate to call you a Moderate Leftist who knows its no longer cool to be called a Progressive, Liberal or Socialist. You are (possibly unwittingly) trying to hijack the term "Libertarian" in much the same way Leftists stole the term "Liberal" several decades ago.

Yes, Practical Libertarians understand that there is a need for a minimal power government to provide services such as military, law enforcement and road/bridge infrastructure. But no real Libertarian would ever agree with Government controlled healthcare or education.
 
Casca XV said:
No Captain, It's more accurate to call you a Moderate Leftist who knows its no longer cool to be called a Progressive, Liberal or Socialist. You are (possibly unwittingly) trying to hijack the term "Libertarian" in much the same way Leftists stole the term "Liberal" several decades ago.

Yes, Practical Libertarians understand that there is a need for a minimal power government to provide services such as military, law enforcement and road/bridge infrastructure. But no real Libertarian would ever agree with Government controlled healthcare or education.
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I'd much rather be called the terms you say are no longer cool--progressive, liberal, socialist--compared to what we have in the White House right now, an alt-rightist, along with the very dangerous Bannon/Breitbart who control trump's brain .
 
NIMBY said:
GOPs swept into power on the basis of repeal and replace and now we're hearing that neither will happen and out GOPoster friends
Will defend this also. Maybe we'll get a little repeal and repair. Who will win the messaging war. Bannon is for real and must be taken seriously.

INDIVISIBLE and RESIST
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Obamacare is like a mobster buying your daughter a pony and you live in Queens. Wonderful.

First of all, we don't know which direction will win. Smart money is on "repeal and replace/repair".

The political benefits of replacing Obamacare over time out weigh the benefits of doing a comprehensive plan. And I must mention, since the democrats are refusing to provide input, the republicans don't want to repeat Obama's mistake with sordid cut outs and "corn husker kickbacks" and "you have to pass it to know what's in it" shenanigans. People are pissed off enough already. The only ones happy are those not paying the full amount.

Obama had it easy. He was giving away money with no back up plan to fund his revenue plan if it failed. So here we are, finding a way to fund it. So expect Replace, adjust, find funding, slow and steady, and keep as much out of the maw of government as possible.
 
poweRob said:
This is why I prefer libertarians to republicans. Libertarians have principles that they adhere to and unlike republicans, their policies aren't shifting from one day to the next based on what they hate and are running from.

This allows for lefty liberals like me to cross paths with true conservatives like libertarians from time to time. We could really get some progress done if our ideologies were the ones debating the future of the country rather than sociopathic fear mongers like the GOP.
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I am defiantly no fan of the GOP establishment. But of the two dominant political parties they are not the Haters, Racist, Homophobes or Sexist. Leftist Democrat have to scream such allegations because they have lost the war of ideas and they have nothing else.
 
NIMBY said:
I'd much rather be called the terms you say are no longer cool--progressive, liberal, socialist--compared to what we have in the White House right now, an alt-rightist, along with the very dangerous Bannon/Breitbart who control trump's brain .
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Define "alt-rightist" and specify how they apply to Trump or Bannon?
 
Casca XV said:
Define "alt-rightist" and specify how they apply to Trump or Bannon?
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Bannon has defined himself as an alt-rightist, but you already knew that with his extensive Breitbart career.

Type in Bannon or alt-rightist and hit search and see what you get--I'm on phone and rarely do the work for obtuse GOPs .
 
Casca XV said:
I am defiantly no fan of the GOP establishment. But of the two dominant political parties they are not the Haters, Racist, Homophobes or Sexist. Leftist Democrat have to scream such allegations because they have lost the war of ideas and they have nothing else.
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GOPs have proven since Nixon's southern strategy that they are indeed the party of racists, haters, homophobes, and sexists, such as the current alt-right trump.

The fact that you had to bring up those 4 terms just to deny them is quite telling .
 
chuckiechan said:
Obamacare is like a mobster buying your daughter a pony and you live in Queens. Wonderful.

First of all, we don't know which direction will win. Smart money is on "repeal and replace/repair".

The political benefits of replacing Obamacare over time out weigh the benefits of doing a comprehensive plan. And I must mention, since the democrats are refusing to provide input, the republicans don't want to repeat Obama's mistake with sordid cut outs and "corn husker kickbacks" and "you have to pass it to know what's in it" shenanigans. People are pissed off enough already. The only ones happy are those not paying the full amount.

Obama had it easy. He was giving away money with no back up plan to fund his revenue plan if it failed. So here we are, finding a way to fund it. So expect Replace, adjust, find funding, slow and steady, and keep as much out of the maw of government as possible.
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Deficits stop mattering to this GOP congress the night of the 2016 election, after meaning so much the last 8 years that the GOP shut down our government and caused the credit downgrade .
 
upsideguy said:
So you are happy then. Great! Hey Cons, it has been repealed. Hey, everyone else, its not going to be repealed. There everyone is happy.



um, which yields superior results at a much lower cost than that of the US (and its much more popular as well).... seems like a win, win, win to go that way.

Healthcare System Ratings: U.S., Great Britain, Canada | Gallup
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Nice try, Gallop is so partisan and inaccurate that they don't even participate in polling elections anymore, or anything else where their numbers can be compared to actual results.

The Fact is: every European or Canadian who can comes to America or private clinics in their own countries for all their healthcare needs. No one uses Socialized Healthcare if they have a choice.

With No IRS enforcement, Obamacare is currently not functioning and as prices start dropping it will be easier to permanently repeal it.
 
NIMBY said:
NBD--you caught me in a good frame--yet I'm more scared of Bannon now than ever--after his CPAC duet with Priebus--at least we have him on tape--kind of like getting ready for a sports event.

As for Boehner, Ohio is one of 27 GOP governors up in 2018, 14 term-limited like Ohio. I'm convinced as to how much Boehner hates DC and his own GOP caucus that kept stabbing him in the back. The big question in Ohio is who the GOP will run against Sen. Brown in 2018.

And breaking right now is White House/Priebus contact with the FBI over the trump/Russia contact DURING the campaign. This isn't going away man .
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The FBI called Priebus. It would be a story if Priebus called the FBI but he didn't and it isn't.
 
Captain Adverse said:
There is already a simple solution if people have the guts to implement it.

Combine Medicare and Medicaid and extend it as a single-payer plan to all American citizens, with a slight tax increase to make up the increased coverage. :twocents:

Voila! An already existing system that can be used to provide health coverage for everyone. :coffeepap:
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Sorry I value my health and the health of my kids more than that.
Sorry I can't afford the cost either.
 
Casca XV said:
Nice try, Gallop is so partisan and inaccurate that they don't even participate in polling elections anymore, or anything else where their numbers can be compared to actual results.

The Fact is: every European or Canadian who can comes to America or private clinics in their own countries for all their healthcare needs. No one uses Socialized Healthcare if they have a choice.

With No IRS enforcement, Obamacare is currently not functioning and as prices start dropping it will be easier to permanently repeal it.
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Election polls are not the same as opinion polls. I posted expert opinion. Its now up to you to post expert opinion to the contrary, expert opinion as to why my expert is wrong or stay in the fetal position of defeat that you now find yourself. That is the way debate works. "The fact is" must be supported with facts or expert opinion. You have done neither. No one is interested in your ill-informed opinions.

Again, as the poll shows, Canadians are quite happy with their healthcare system. It delivers superior results at a lower cost. Anecdotally, I bought three companies in Canada.... one of the most common questions at employee meetings was rooted in the fear that somehow we are going to impose our American healthcare plans on our Canadian employees.

Are Patients in Universal Healthcare Countries Less Satisfied? – denialism blog
https://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/...eir-health-care-wait-times-and-spending/?_r=0
Change of Subject: Never mind the anecdotes: Do Canadians like their health-care system?
 
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MaggieD said:
And it has the perfect model for pre-existing conditions. Orrr, they could USE that model and keep it separate. I say that because Medicare reimbursement is pitiful.
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Doctors are already dropping Medicaid patients.
There is nothing that says they have to take this.

They are also dropping Medicare patients or not taking new ones.
 
NonoBadDog said:
The FBI called Priebus. It would be a story if Priebus called the FBI but he didn't and it isn't.
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We'll see. All of the articles I can find are just the opposite from what you said. No surprise there.

I understand it's your job to run interference for the trump admin .
 
NIMBY said:
GOPs have proven since Nixon's southern strategy that they are indeed the party of racists, haters, homophobes, and sexists, such as the current alt-right trump.

The fact that you had to bring up those 4 terms just to deny them is quite telling .
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That you have to go back 60+ years for an example proves my point. But even that example is inaccurate. The Southern Strategy was about attracting Conservatives not racists. There is not one GOP document or quote from that time period that says otherwise. With only a few exceptions all the racist Dixicrats stayed Democrat.

Nixon was actually a stronger Civil Rights advocate than LBJ or JFK. As Eisenhower's VP he gave dozens anti segregation speeches during the 1950's and lead the first effort at a Civil Rights bill. The bill was defeated by Senate Democrats lead by Senate Majority Leader LBJ. JFK and LBJ only became interested in Civil Rights after they were in a position to take credit for it.
 
Casca XV said:
Nice try, Gallop is so partisan and inaccurate that they don't even participate in polling elections anymore, or anything else where their numbers can be compared to actual results.

The Fact is: every European or Canadian who can comes to America or private clinics in their own countries for all their healthcare needs. No one uses Socialized Healthcare if they have a choice.

With No IRS enforcement, Obamacare is currently not functioning and as prices start dropping it will be easier to permanently repeal it.
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You don't even know how to spell the name of the pollster (Gallup) you are rhetorically shooting down.

How very alt-rightist of you .
 
poweRob said:
This is why I prefer libertarians to republicans. Libertarians have principles that they adhere to and unlike republicans, their policies aren't shifting from one day to the next based on what they hate and are running from.

This allows for lefty liberals like me to cross paths with true conservatives like libertarians from time to time. We could really get some progress done if our ideologies were the ones debating the future of the country rather than sociopathic fear mongers like the GOP.
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Only one objection: conservatives are NOT libertarians, libertarians (or Libertarians) are NOT conservatives.

Libertarians do, indeed, work off of principle. The principle that conservatives subscribe to is the acquisition and maintenance of power, full stop.
 
NIMBY said:
We'll see. All of the articles I can find are just the opposite from what you said. No surprise there.

I understand it's your job to run interference for the trump admin .
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What news outlets are you reading from?
 
NIMBY said:
Bannon has defined himself as an alt-rightist, but you already knew that with his extensive Breitbart career.

Type in Bannon or alt-rightist and hit search and see what you get--I'm on phone and rarely do the work for obtuse GOPs .
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Please post the link of the Bannon quote identifying himself a alt right, I cant find it.

Half of Bannons Breitbart staff are Jews and most of the other half are minorities. Bannon himself opened a Brietbart office in Israel. The PM of Israel just called Trump the best friend Jews have.

Once again: define Alt-right and how does it apply to Trump or Bannon?
 
NIMBY said:
You don't even know how to spell the name of the pollster (Gallup) you are rhetorically shooting down.

How very alt-rightist of you .
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I know that when my opponent starts distracting by pointing out misspelling and typos I have won the debate.
 
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