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George Takei apparently has very similar views to Milo on Pederasty and Molestation
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Re: George Takei apparently has very similar views to Milo on Pederasty and Molestati
One wonders if this crap is what sends young men in that direction...
I'm guessing that, if he still has a contract with Taco Bell, it may soon be over.
Howard Stern and crew are assholes.
One wonders if this crap is what sends young men in that direction...
I'm guessing that, if he still has a contract with Taco Bell, it may soon be over.
Howard Stern and crew are assholes.
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Re: George Takei apparently has very similar views to Milo on Pederasty and Molestati
Things were different in the 2200's with Klingon pimps and such.
Cut old George a break. He lives in San Francisco ferchrissakes.
Things were different in the 2200's with Klingon pimps and such.
Cut old George a break. He lives in San Francisco ferchrissakes.
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Re: George Takei apparently has very similar views to Milo on Pederasty and Molestati
No.
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No.
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Re: George Takei apparently has very similar views to Milo on Pederasty and Molestati
Supposedly, Kinsey claimed something along the lines of what Maggie said back in the day as well. He found that a lot of gay men had a history of molestation, often times from older brothers.
However, Kinsey was a perverted quack with biases the size of a small moon, who also probably made a lot of things up to justify his own life choices. You can take it with a grain of salt as such, I suppose.
Supposedly, Kinsey claimed something along the lines of what Maggie said back in the day as well. He found that a lot of gay men had a history of molestation, often times from older brothers.
However, Kinsey was a perverted quack with biases the size of a small moon, who also probably made a lot of things up to justify his own life choices. You can take it with a grain of salt as such, I suppose.
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Re: George Takei apparently has very similar views to Milo on Pederasty and Molestati
George Takei described his voluntary encounter in a somewhat lighthearted way. You'll notice George said several times that it was "scary" but then he made a joke about enjoying it. That sounds to me like someone getting something off their chest that kind of bothered them. I don't see how this is even remotely the same thing as Milo advocating for man / boy relationships.
A victim telling their story has absolutely no equivalency to a grown man advocating such behavior even if it may have happened to them. Also I don't remember George being an extremely controversial figure that has ties to a fake news organization that has strong ties to the presidency.
George Takei described his voluntary encounter in a somewhat lighthearted way. You'll notice George said several times that it was "scary" but then he made a joke about enjoying it. That sounds to me like someone getting something off their chest that kind of bothered them. I don't see how this is even remotely the same thing as Milo advocating for man / boy relationships.
A victim telling their story has absolutely no equivalency to a grown man advocating such behavior even if it may have happened to them. Also I don't remember George being an extremely controversial figure that has ties to a fake news organization that has strong ties to the presidency.
Re: George Takei apparently has very similar views to Milo on Pederasty and Molestati
You're clearly in denial as to what was actually said here... In both interviews.
What both men said, in a nut shell, is "Yeah... I was molested, but I kind of liked it, so I don't view myself as being a victim." Neither of them has advocated "man / boy relationships" on any kind of normalized basis. They simply spoke on their own personal experiences, and their reactions to them.
You're clearly in denial as to what was actually said here... In both interviews.
What both men said, in a nut shell, is "Yeah... I was molested, but I kind of liked it, so I don't view myself as being a victim." Neither of them has advocated "man / boy relationships" on any kind of normalized basis. They simply spoke on their own personal experiences, and their reactions to them.
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Re: George Takei apparently has very similar views to Milo on Pederasty and Molestati
Some might, just as some women molested by their dad might... but it is naturally occuring in the vast majority...
Some might, just as some women molested by their dad might... but it is naturally occuring in the vast majority...
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Re: George Takei apparently has very similar views to Milo on Pederasty and Molestati
It isn't child molestation. He was clearly already gay and curious.
It isn't child molestation. He was clearly already gay and curious.
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Re: George Takei apparently has very similar views to Milo on Pederasty and Molestati
Sorry I'll trust my own lying eyes and ears. George made ambiguous remarks describing his experience which he said was scary but also that he liked it. Milo explicitly argued saying that it is okay for men to have relationships with underage boys. That is not the same thing. Also, why the hell do we care what George Takei says so much all of a sudden? Oh that's right, Milo needs a scapegoat and a distraction from his own mess so he points the right-wing fist shakers towards a liberal / Taco Bell spokesmen and cries foul. This is exactly why he was employed by Breitbart because he knows how to manipulate suckers.
If you're so offended that Milo isn't being treated fairly, why don't you take it up with Breitbart for letting him go? Why don't you go after CPAC for uninviting him? Why are you instead finding a way to blame all this on the left?
Sorry I'll trust my own lying eyes and ears. George made ambiguous remarks describing his experience which he said was scary but also that he liked it. Milo explicitly argued saying that it is okay for men to have relationships with underage boys. That is not the same thing. Also, why the hell do we care what George Takei says so much all of a sudden? Oh that's right, Milo needs a scapegoat and a distraction from his own mess so he points the right-wing fist shakers towards a liberal / Taco Bell spokesmen and cries foul. This is exactly why he was employed by Breitbart because he knows how to manipulate suckers.
If you're so offended that Milo isn't being treated fairly, why don't you take it up with Breitbart for letting him go? Why don't you go after CPAC for uninviting him? Why are you instead finding a way to blame all this on the left?
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Re: George Takei apparently has very similar views to Milo on Pederasty and Molestati
Ah. So its okay for liberals, death for conservatives.
Got it.
Ah. So its okay for liberals, death for conservatives.
Got it.
Re: George Takei apparently has very similar views to Milo on Pederasty and Molestati
Hey man, you're the one who rolled in here all butt hurt and spastically defensive, making wild excuses for George Takei, while simultaneously engaging in off-the-wall mental gymnastics that somehow make it wrong for Milo to do the exact same thing that you're - apparently - unconditionally forgiving George for.
Don't make excuses for your non-self aware hypocrisy to me.
Hey man, you're the one who rolled in here all butt hurt and spastically defensive, making wild excuses for George Takei, while simultaneously engaging in off-the-wall mental gymnastics that somehow make it wrong for Milo to do the exact same thing that you're - apparently - unconditionally forgiving George for.
Don't make excuses for your non-self aware hypocrisy to me.
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Re: George Takei apparently has very similar views to Milo on Pederasty and Molestati
When was Takei invited to address CPAC?
When was Takei invited to address CPAC?
Re: George Takei apparently has very similar views to Milo on Pederasty and Molestati
Relevance, por favor?
Relevance, por favor?
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Re: George Takei apparently has very similar views to Milo on Pederasty and Molestati
You guys are really starting to scare me. Can you not see the difference between a person recounting their story as a victim and a person explicitly advocating man / boy relationships?
Can you also not see the difference between a high profile political figure and a celebrity?
Have you actually watched all three videos and listened carefully?
Do you realize that "liberals" did not uninvite Milo from CPAC. "liberals" did not force Milo to resign from Breitbart...
You guys are really starting to scare me. Can you not see the difference between a person recounting their story as a victim and a person explicitly advocating man / boy relationships?
Can you also not see the difference between a high profile political figure and a celebrity?
Have you actually watched all three videos and listened carefully?
Do you realize that "liberals" did not uninvite Milo from CPAC. "liberals" did not force Milo to resign from Breitbart...
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Re: George Takei apparently has very similar views to Milo on Pederasty and Molestati
Address what I said.
Address what I said.
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Re: George Takei apparently has very similar views to Milo on Pederasty and Molestati
None! Why would Tapper report about Takei? He isn't a writer for Brietbart. He wasn't asked to speak at CPAC.
None! Why would Tapper report about Takei? He isn't a writer for Brietbart. He wasn't asked to speak at CPAC.
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Re: George Takei apparently has very similar views to Milo on Pederasty and Molestati
You compared Takei to Milo who was thrown under the CPAC bus by conservatives that are terrified that they own the alt-right name .
You compared Takei to Milo who was thrown under the CPAC bus by conservatives that are terrified that they own the alt-right name .
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Re: George Takei apparently has very similar views to Milo on Pederasty and Molestati
Conservatives are trying to disown the alt-right but too late now.
Can't wait to hear Bannon at CPAC .
Conservatives are trying to disown the alt-right but too late now.
Can't wait to hear Bannon at CPAC .
Re: George Takei apparently has very similar views to Milo on Pederasty and Molestati
Eh. I gotta admit, I'm kind of two minds about this myself.
On the one hand, anyone who's even remotely familiar with history, human biology, or the science of sexual attraction (which, unfortunately, far too many of the dullards who populate these kinds of discussions most certainly are NOT) ought to realize that adults have been diddling post-pubescent teenagers, who would technically count as being "underage" by today's standards, for LITERALLY thousands of years, and no one thought twice about doing so. It's only in the last one hundred years or so that we've collectively decided that this is wrong all of the sudden, and even then, Americans and the rest of the Anglosphere have waaaaaay more of hang-up about it than the rest of the World, even in the supposedly "civilized" West. I'm sorry, but - in that vein - I really don't believe that all of those thousands of generations of people screwing, starting families, and just generally going about their lives were "pedophiles." That just wouldn't add up.
On the other hand, however... I don't think we're wrong for having age of consent laws either. The way our society is structured now, it just doesn't really make sense for a 25 year old to hook up with a 16 year old, or even really an 18 year old. There are too many barriers in the way as far as things like schooling, income, and relative social power are concerned. It's also illegal. For that reason, the only persons who really attempt to start these kinds of relationships in the modern day and age are usually predatory creeps, who can't get along with people their own age.
What both Milo and Takei seem to describe are predatory relationships.
So, in summation:
Do I think it's necessarily impossible for an adult to have a healthy, non-predatory, sexual relationship with someone who is past puberty, but younger than 18? No, I really don't.
Do I think such relationships are advisable in today's society, or that most of the people who pursue them are anything other than creeps? Heeeelll no.
I just think the thing is a bit more complicated than the popular narrative likes to make out. Milo tried to say as much, I think, and everyone immediately jumped to the conclusion that he must be a "pedophile," or "NAMBLA advocate." That's just not really fair to his actual intent.
Eh. I gotta admit, I'm kind of two minds about this myself.
On the one hand, anyone who's even remotely familiar with history, human biology, or the science of sexual attraction (which, unfortunately, far too many of the dullards who populate these kinds of discussions most certainly are NOT) ought to realize that adults have been diddling post-pubescent teenagers, who would technically count as being "underage" by today's standards, for LITERALLY thousands of years, and no one thought twice about doing so. It's only in the last one hundred years or so that we've collectively decided that this is wrong all of the sudden, and even then, Americans and the rest of the Anglosphere have waaaaaay more of hang-up about it than the rest of the World, even in the supposedly "civilized" West. I'm sorry, but - in that vein - I really don't believe that all of those thousands of generations of people screwing, starting families, and just generally going about their lives were "pedophiles." That just wouldn't add up.
On the other hand, however... I don't think we're wrong for having age of consent laws either. The way our society is structured now, it just doesn't really make sense for a 25 year old to hook up with a 16 year old, or even really an 18 year old. There are too many barriers in the way as far as things like schooling, income, and relative social power are concerned. It's also illegal. For that reason, the only persons who really attempt to start these kinds of relationships in the modern day and age are usually predatory creeps, who can't get along with people their own age.
What both Milo and Takei seem to describe are predatory relationships.
So, in summation:
Do I think it's necessarily impossible for an adult to have a healthy, non-predatory, sexual relationship with someone who is past puberty, but younger than 18? No, I really don't.
Do I think such relationships are advisable in today's society, or that most of the people who pursue them are anything other than creeps? Heeeelll no.
I just think the thing is a bit more complicated than the popular narrative likes to make out. Milo tried to say as much, I think, and everyone immediately jumped to the conclusion that he must be a "pedophile," or "NAMBLA advocate." That's just not really fair to his actual intent.
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Re: George Takei apparently has very similar views to Milo on Pederasty and Molestati
Honestly, if this gets any traction(it probably won't) I'm sure Taco Bell will get rid of him.
Honestly, if this gets any traction(it probably won't) I'm sure Taco Bell will get rid of him.
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Re: George Takei apparently has very similar views to Milo on Pederasty and Molestati
Man, and George Takei was about to speak at DNC-PAC! His mentor is even in White House!
Yes, of course people shouldn't joke about this kind of stuff. It's not funny. But yeah, I tried really hard to care about Milo and George and I just can't. But the "see, a guy you like did something sort of similar!" is a dumb game and I'm glad it's not televised. Like I said in the Milo thread, put the pitchforks away. Go after Bannon. That guy matters, beat his wife, blackmailed her and nobody cares. Unless he's talking to foreign leaders with Trump by his side.
Man, and George Takei was about to speak at DNC-PAC! His mentor is even in White House!
Yes, of course people shouldn't joke about this kind of stuff. It's not funny. But yeah, I tried really hard to care about Milo and George and I just can't. But the "see, a guy you like did something sort of similar!" is a dumb game and I'm glad it's not televised. Like I said in the Milo thread, put the pitchforks away. Go after Bannon. That guy matters, beat his wife, blackmailed her and nobody cares. Unless he's talking to foreign leaders with Trump by his side.
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Re: George Takei apparently has very similar views to Milo on Pederasty and Molestati
You're describing exactly the same thing that Milo said
You're describing exactly the same thing that Milo said
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Re: George Takei apparently has very similar views to Milo on Pederasty and Molestati
Milo went so far beyond this and so frequently you'd have to be blind to see it this way
Or deliberately defending a gay man who calls ritualized child rape "terrific" So which is it?
It really reeks of desperation from the right wing to deflect its infatuation with this pig by scouring the internet for anything remotely similar from some random left wing celebrity
Milo went so far beyond this and so frequently you'd have to be blind to see it this way
Or deliberately defending a gay man who calls ritualized child rape "terrific" So which is it?
It really reeks of desperation from the right wing to deflect its infatuation with this pig by scouring the internet for anything remotely similar from some random left wing celebrity