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East Naples teacher reassigned after Facebook post about immigrants

RickJames3000 said:
I'm against the teacher being disciplined for posting about politics on her personal page... especially since she didn't do so in an inflammatory way.
Having said that, it is likely that the district has a written policy in place expressly forbidding political advocacy during work hours, or using district facilities. There are decent reasons for such policies in public schools.
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There are many things someone posts on a Facebook page on their person time that would warrant immediate dismissal from a job without there even being a rule in place. Pictures of them abusing animals is one that comes to my mind. Political views should never be a reason to dismiss someone, but my company has a rule in place that we are to remain apolitical, even on our own time, on Social media because we never know if one of our customers will read it or see it, and my job is intertwined with the federal and state governments actions. So I abide by the rule because I like my job. I post here anonymously because even if one of you is a customer, you don't know who I really am.

I agree with you about the district policy on political advocacy during working hours. That's why this is all meaningless until the results of their investigation come out, and we all find out what policies if any exist.

We can all get worked up about how mean liberals are to Donald Trump supporters, or whether we agree or disagree with the broad point she's trying to make (I happen to agree with her that illegals living in the country is a bad thing and needs to be addressed). But none of that is relevant to the story. I don't care for conspiracy theories without a little meat on the bones.
 
Hypothetical said:
it makes absolutely no difference. It would not make any difference to the opposition, where the tables reversed, so it makes no difference. she merely posted her own opinion on facebook.

liberals advocate for ILLEGAL aliens who BREAK our laws... they create Sanctuary cities for them to work against our government in reigning them in... in light of that, tell me why should I give a damn that she posted a simple statement of her opinion on the subject to facebook in my opinion of how this should be handled?

no she shouldn't be punished and conservatives should be flooding that damn school with TONS of petitions and emails telling them that.
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Fascinating, but has nothing to do with what I said. I'm talking about what rules may be in place. Unless you can share the employee handbook of her district with us, you don't know them either. I'm one of those weird people who sometimes likes to wait until investigations are finished before ranting and raving. You know, like the opposite of what the liberals did while they were investigating the shooting of Michael Brown. Instead of waiting until the investigation was finished, and Darren Wilson was cleared of any wrongdoing, they went off on rants and tirades about him being a racist, murdering cop who shot a gentle giant for no reason. I don't do that. I won't do it here either.
 
tres borrachos said:
Fascinating, but has nothing to do with what I said. I'm talking about what rules may be in place. Unless you can share the employee handbook of her district with us, you don't know them either. I'm one of those weird people who sometimes likes to wait until investigations are finished before ranting and raving. You know, like the opposite of what the liberals did while they were investigating the shooting of Michael Brown. Instead of waiting until the investigation was finished, and Darren Wilson was cleared of any wrongdoing, they went off on rants and tirades about him being a racist, murdering cop who shot a gentle giant for no reason. I don't do that. I won't do it here either.
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oh really? the rules in place? honestly, I don't care about the rules in place.
 
tres borrachos said:
And as I said earlier, we also don't know if they have a rule that politics is prohibited during working hours. And this post was political, right on down to the very last line about President Trump.

If there is a rule, and she broke it, then she's screwed herself. If they investigate and she made it on personal time and there is no rule against Facebook political posts on your personal time (which is the case in my job, no idea about hers), then she should be given back her old job (assuming she would even want it) with an apology. But the fact is there isn't enough information in the links to answer these questions, and I haven't seen anything beyond they're investigating when she actually posted that.
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Even if she did not do the post at her school, if she disrupted the school due to her posts ie students being targeted, bullied/harassed, as a public employee who started this campaign, she can be held liable under Title VI.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
Even if she did not do the post at her school, if she disrupted the school due to her posts ie students being targeted, bullied/harassed, as a public employee who started this campaign, she can be held liable under Title VI.
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I have to take your word for this one. I don't know what Title VI is.

I think everyone needs to be very careful about what they say when they work with and around children. I don't disagree with her broad statement that illegals shouldn't be here, but I think her suggestion of mass deportation was over the top. I don't care for adults who come in here and stay illegally, but I'm not a monster. I don't hold the children responsible for what their parents do, and her message was definitely inflammatory in that part.
 
tres borrachos said:
Oh, well some of us do care about rules.

I guess you don't care about the rules about being here illegally, either.
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well if the liberals aren't going to care about them, then why should I? obviously, listening to some of them about illegal immigration, I am free to care about whatever rules I damn well please, and nothing else.

obviously , it is a model that works quite well. I propose conservatives start using it.

but back to the subject at hand... its obvious to me that the school's policy on personal posting is overbearing and unfair. everyone should be allowed to post their opinion without fear of reprisal, as long as it is done in a reasonable fashion. I think that should be part of our first amendment rights. we need to stand up for her rights as an american Citizen.
 
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eohrnberger said:
Far be it for liberal / progressive indoctrination centers to tolerate opinions other than the ideological acceptable ones.
It's part and parcel of the liberals consider as tolerance.
I'm guessing these 'educators' don't understand the definition of the word. Maybe they should look it up in the dictionary or something.
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I think some educators understand the definition of the word just fine. Not all are intolerant people. Over the past decade it has gotten really bad for teachers and students alike to express their own individualism if it goes against the liberal left. Not too long ago some kids wore tee shirts with an American flag on them. The principal found it offensive and sent them home. And not too long ago a teacher was reprimanded for wearing a crucifix at another school. It has become that teachers and students alike have to leave any expression of who they are outside the schoolhouse door if it is not expressed by the left. Is it any wonder that school alternatives are so popular and there isn't a shortage of teachers who want to work for them?
 
tres borrachos said:
I have to take your word for this one. I don't know what Title VI is.

I think everyone needs to be very careful about what they say when they work with and around children. I don't disagree with her broad statement that illegals shouldn't be here, but I think her suggestion of mass deportation was over the top. I don't care for adults who come in here and stay illegally, but I'm not a monster. I don't hold the children responsible for what their parents do, and her message was definitely inflammatory in that part.
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One of the reasons Title VI exist is because kids in school are protected from people harassing them due to their race, sex, or country of origin. Children that are not legal citizens can and are allowed to be educated in public schools despite their status and are protected under Title VI. I also agree her message was very inflammatory and in my opinion was made to inflame people, which sounds like it rolled down to the students in her school.
 
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Hypothetical said:
well if the liberals aren't going to care about them, then why should I? obviously, listening to some of them about illegal immigration, I am free to care about whatever rules I damn well please, and nothing else.

obviously , it is a model that works quite well. I propose conservatives start using it.

but back to the subject at hand... its obvious to me that the school's policy on personal posting is overbearing and unfair. everyone should be allowed to post their opinion without fear of reprisal, as long as it is done in a reasonable fashion. I think that should be part of our first amendment rights. we need to stand up for her rights as an american Citizen.
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Ah, okay. You don't care about illegal immigrants because the liberals don't care about them. I must have mistook you for someone who had a point. My bad.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
One of the reasons Title VI exist is because kids in school are protected from people harassing them due to their race, sex, or country of origin. Children that are not legal citizens can and are allowed to be educated in public schools despite their status and are protected under Title VI. I also agree her message was very inflammatory and in my opinion was made to inflame people, which sounds like it rolled down to the students in her school.
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I was just talking to one of my girlfriends as we were getting our nails done about this issue. She's a die hard conservative but she said as a mother she would be concerned about her children seeing things like "mass deportation" from one of their teachers. I actually would as well. This woman in this story is paid to teach kids, not enforce laws. She most definitely made an inflammatory comment and while I respect her First Amendment right to make it, unfortunately with rights come responsibility. She has to live with the responsibility of managing her right in a proper manner.

I didn't like it when a teacher made her students sing "M-m-m-m, Barack Hussein Obama". If I was a parent of one of those kids, I would have complained to the school board. If I saw one of my kid's teachers calling for mass deportation, I'd complain about that, too. Let's keep teacher political views away from our kids.
 
tres borrachos said:
Ah, okay. You don't care about illegal immigrants because the liberals don't care about them. I must have mistook you for someone who had a point. My bad.
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I think I have a very good point. I'm sorry you can't see it.

in any event, I will be standing up for this Lady's rights as an American citizen. If she wants to post a small blurb on facebook as to how she actually feels about things and give her opinion, then that is her right. she hurt no one.

as long as she wasn't directly teaching the kids her political views, I see no problem, except the school's bias.
 
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Hypothetical said:
I think I have a very good point. I'm sorry you can't see it.

in any event, I will be standing up for this Lady's rights as an American citizen. If she wants to post a small blurb on facebook as to how she actually feels about things and give her opinion, then that is her right. she hurt no one.

as long as she wasn't directly teaching the kids her political views, I see no problem, except the school's bias.
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She didn't just voice an opinion. She advocated for people to become reporters. How does that NOT effect her children in school that may have been suspected of being illegal? That is not a bias.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
She didn't just voice an opinion. She advocated for people to become reporters. How does that NOT effect her children in school that may have been suspected of being illegal? That is not a bias.
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reporting of illegal aliens? that means helping the authorities right? oh my god , that is terrible.

unlike whole cities in this country pledged to harbor ILLEGAL aliens... those guys are saints, right?
 
Hypothetical said:
reporting of illegal aliens? that means helping the authorities right? oh my god , that is terrible.

unlike whole cities in this country pledged to harbor ILLEGAL aliens... those guys are saints, right?
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It impacts her job because it can impact her students. That is the point and the bottom line.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
It impacts her job because it can impact her students. That is the point and the bottom line.
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assuming , of course,that she intends to report her students and that they are illegally in this country in the first place.

two rather large assumptions, imho.
 
Hypothetical said:
assuming , of course,that she intends to report her students and that they are illegally in this country in the first place.

two rather large assumptions, imho.
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My question to you is why wouldn't she care to report them and/or their families?
 
because she has no reason to suspect her students as being in the country illegally in the first place?

she is talking about people joining in the 'stay at home from work for illegal immigrants' day the illegal immigrant advocates came up with.
 
Hypothetical said:
because she has no reason to suspect her students as being in the country illegally in the first place?

she is talking about people joining in the 'stay at home from work for illegal immigrants' day the illegal immigrant advocates came up with.
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Some may be--what about them? What about students from her school that may get blow back from her crusade?
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
Some may be--what about them? What about students from her school that may get blow back from her crusade?
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let me understand this then...we intend to erode our rights as citizens of the Unites States of America to the point where a simple harmless opinion post about people who are ILLEGALLY in this country cannot be talked about in any shape or form because of some off the wall logic as to what MIGHT happen to students that are probably not even directly involved in anything to do with the situation she speaks of... can get her in trouble, for absolutely nothing other than having the wrong opinion on the subject.

you know, the cause and effect paradox goes that if i kill a single spider in my house today, it might cause a thousand people to die somewhere down the road, but I don't give that much plausibilty when i walk into a spiderweb in my basement.
 
ajn678 said:
Its amazing how a citizen can lose their job by complaining about a group that legally has no right to be in the nation.
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isn't the termination because the employee's public post caused the public to lose confidence in the employee's organization?
 
Hypothetical said:
let me understand this then...we intend to erode our rights as citizens of the Unites States of America to the point where a simple harmless opinion post about people who are ILLEGALLY in this country cannot be talked about in any shape or form because of some off the wall logic as to what MIGHT happen to students that are probably not even directly involved in anything to do with the situation she speaks of... can get her in trouble, for absolutely nothing other than having the wrong opinion on the subject.

you know, the cause and effect paradox goes that if i kill a single spider in my house today, it might cause a thousand people to die somewhere down the road, but I don't give that much plausibilty when i walk into a spiderweb in my basement.
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Well, they were affected according to various articles and that is why she was suspended. How are they going to feel safe under her care if she makes it publicly clear she wants then out.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
Children that are not legal citizens can and are allowed to be educated in public schools despite their status
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That sorry state of affairs exists because of a weakly reasoned 1967 Supreme Court decision called Plyler v. Doe. I hope a newly constituted Supreme Court, including Judge Gorsuch and maybe one more member appointed by President Trump, will overrule Plyler. It has done an enormous amount of damage to this country during the past fifty years.

If the children of illegal aliens were no longer clogging up public schools receiving their K-12 education of everyone else's dime, it would not be so easy to show that comments teachers might make on their own about illegal immigration were somehow disrupting the functioning of their schools.
 
Mac77 said:
Illegal aliens violated the rules by entering the country and taking jobs and welfare benefits from Americans

They should also be severely punished for breaking the rules
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and many of them are being subjected to punishment for that violation of the law
so, what is your point?
 
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