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GOP Rep. Tom MacArthur says town halls "hijacked''

Porkuloss said:
I have posted info proving that it was largely astroturf.

The best distillation of that and many other such operations is in here:
https://www.amazon.com/Dark-Money-History-Billionaires-Radical/dp/0385535597

The Koch's harassed the author and her employers, threatening them and sending private investigators after them looking for blackmail info. They failed. They couldn't sue because they can't refute a word.
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That book holds a high spot on my "need to read" list.

Yeah - the Tea Party did indeed start-out as a grassroots response, but as you described above it was quickly coerced by the Kochs.

While I didn't agree with a fair amount of the Tea-Party message, I did respect them in their very early days. I wish the libs had a similar movement in terms of scope & efficacy, and still do.
 
Chomsky said:
The Tea-Party started-out as a legit grassroots movement, and while I didn't agree with everything they stood for I did admire their moxie.

But they soon got corrupted by the Koch Bros money. I suppose some of it was inevitable as the became more prominent and needed to act with political efficacy, rather than just be some noisy guys with good ideas.

But I do admire what they accomplished politically, and wish those of us desiring more liberal policy had a similar group. I think in ways Bernie was it, but it was not meant to be and Bernie rejoined the Democrat fold (far too easily IMO).
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Bernie was sabotaged. while I don't agree with his platform he at least was original and had some actual idea's.
 
Chomsky said:
That book holds a high spot on my "need to read" list.

Yeah - the Tea Party did indeed start-out as a grassroots response, but as you described above it was quickly coerced by the Kochs.

While I didn't agree with a fair amount of the Tea-Party message, I did respect them in their very early days. I wish the libs had a similar movement in terms of scope & efficacy, and still do.
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I agree. I went to 2 meetings. It quickly became apparent that they were confused on a lot of points and hated Obama. They didn't seem to mind TARP, but thought bailing out homeowners for a fraction of that cost was some kind of reward for crooks?

Dark Money is a MUST.

Here's one I'm working on currently that I missed when it came out. Better than The Big Short, IMO:
https://www.amazon.com/Griftopia-Ma...487100940&sr=1-4&refinements=p_27:Matt+Taibbi

REALLY good.
 
Porkuloss said:
I have posted info proving that it was largely astroturf.

The best distillation of that and many other such operations is in here:
https://www.amazon.com/Dark-Money-History-Billionaires-Radical/dp/0385535597

The Koch's harassed the author and her employers, threatening them and sending private investigators after them looking for blackmail info. They failed. They couldn't sue because they can't refute a word.
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Ok, so you have two sides of the coin here...Ikari is right....This is 2009 redux, and inverse....Koch's on the right, or Soros, Steyer, or Obama's OFA outfit with their 40+ million, and 32K supporters ready to go, what's the difference?
 
NIMBY said:
Since I'm using the language of the RNC when it says it's 'targeting' DEM seats, you should take up yer concern with them, j-mac.

What did trump/Flynn/Bannon/Miller know and when did they know it ?
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LOL...Nice try...You're using it anyway, so not really following the progressive directive of a kinder, gentler politispeak are we..? :lol:

As far as Trump/Flynn/Bannon/or Miller....try asking them, let me know how that goes?
 
Chomsky said:
Alright, fair enough.

I would still argue a loss of insurance impedes access, but hey - I'm not out to quibble here.
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Yes, but Obamacare is impeding access for me, and my wife right NOW!....Before O-care, we were on the same health insurance through MY job....and our deductible was $750 per person.....Now, we each have to have our own insurance through our respective employers, which her's cost as much as mine, and sucks 'big league' as the saying goes, and our deductibles are $5,000 for me, and $3,000 for her, but her insurance doesn't pay a damned thing until that deductible is met...So she might as well not have insurance....

So, our premiums have doubled, our deductible has risen 10 fold as a couple, and her insurance is really nothing but a money pit that she pays premium for, and never gets to use. Wonderful eh?
 
NIMBY said:
Oversight Chair Chaffetz was told by trump and his Bannon/Miller kabal NOT to bring up OVERSIGHT in their Dark House meeting.
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Got a link to that? Something credible, and I'll consider it, really....

GOP Coffman is in a swing district and called for Flynn to be fired, trying to cover his ass .
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Sounds like he got his way, no?
 
Chomsky said:
I'll accept that possibility.

But also leave open the possibility that the reps may be attempting to legislate an issue against the will of some of the citizens.

I'm against ObamaCare, but kicking people off their healthcare access can obviously cause them severe stress. Even if they may indeed be a minority constituent.
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This is one of the reason why I despise Democrats. Their entire platform is based on buying votes with tax payer money so they can stay in power. Republicans then look like the evil ones for pointing out that it needs to be reformed or taken out.
 
What would the progressive directive of a kinder, gentler politispeak be?

The only way to fight this GOP fire is with the same type of fire, as in 2009 and 2010.

It figures that trumpistani deflectors aren't interested in who the alt-right influences are on trump.

Why are you and yer ilk not interested in what trump knew before the election ?

j-mac said:
LOL...Nice try...You're using it anyway, so not really following the progressive directive of a kinder, gentler politispeak are we..? :lol:

As far as Trump/Flynn/Bannon/or Miller....try asking them, let me know how that goes?
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j-mac said:
Didn't say that....
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But the chicken**** GOP reps and senators are saying that.

Imagine what you would have said in 2009 and 2010 if DEMs had ducked the GOP astroturfing of their town halls !
 
Chomsky said:
My wife came from a poor country known for volatile unstable governments, often changed by the citizens revolting until the military turns on the administration.

One of her favorite sayings, when I first met her:

"There is no progress without war!"


:mrgreen:
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See. Excitement. ;)
 
j-mac said:
Got a link to that? Something credible, and I'll consider it, really....
Sounds like he got his way, no?
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Type in 'Chaffetz-Trump meeting' and hit search and enjoy all the links you may or may not know already exist .
 
Chomsky said:
It would seem that when called-out on those claims, the good representative could offer no evidence of this:

"MacArthur didn’t offer evidence that protesters are paid and bused. Spokeswoman Camille Gallo said MacArthur "was simply referring to reports that he had read about outside groups attending congressional town halls.''"
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Lie, deny and deflect are all we're going to get from the GOP and its apologists on this or any other issue or event.

Such as NH GOP officials currently denying 'The Big Lie' of busloads of Massachusetts voters coming to vote in NH.

It won't be long before they're intimidated .
 
NIMBY said:
What would the progressive directive of a kinder, gentler politispeak be?

The only way to fight this GOP fire is with the same type of fire, as in 2009 and 2010.

It figures that trumpistani deflectors aren't interested in who the alt-right influences are on trump.

Why are you and yer ilk not interested in what trump knew before the election ?
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LOL....I think I'll just let your posting here speak for itself...I seriously have NO CLUE what the hell you are trying to say to me here....lol
 
NIMBY said:
But the chicken**** GOP reps and senators are saying that.

Imagine what you would have said in 2009 and 2010 if DEMs had ducked the GOP astroturfing of their town halls !
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Oh, I remember....And there was a lot said....That's why I am not going all bonkers when you say it now....
 
NIMBY said:
Type in 'Chaffetz-Trump meeting' and hit search and enjoy all the links you may or may not know already exist .
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No, I could have searched it NIMBY....But I wanted to see what you are using as proof of your claim....
 
j-mac said:
True, but I've been told in the past couple of days repeatedly that 'words matter' so we need to be clear about what we are talking about here...It is insurance, not access....Everyone knows that in a situation where you need medical attention, you will get it, insurance or not, and the domino's that fall concerning the bill will come after you are attended to.
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Well, that's not necessarily true in all cases, particularly those with long-term illnesses and in preventative or maintenance care.

And it should be pretty obvious that constituents being forced into choosing healthcare or the poorhouse, are not going to be happy.
 
Chomsky said:
Well, that's not necessarily true in all cases, particularly those with long-term illnesses and in preventative or maintenance care.

And it should be pretty obvious that constituents being forced into choosing healthcare or the poorhouse, are not going to be happy.
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Since most of the people participating in O-Care are doing such through the expansion of Medicaid, then you may have a point....Nobody likes to give up their freebies.
 
Chomsky said:
Constituents being forced into choosing healthcare or the poorhouse, are not going to be happy.
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Constituents have always had to make that kind of choice. Now just because politicians promise a chicken in every pot, a new car, a new house, and free college doesn't mean that the people have to face the realities that they still have hard choices to make. I don't understand why it's Trump's fault that all of a sudden the same choices that everyone has always had to make are suddenly dire concerns.
 
Porkuloss said:
I agree. I went to 2 meetings. It quickly became apparent that they were confused on a lot of points and hated Obama. They didn't seem to mind TARP, but thought bailing out homeowners for a fraction of that cost was some kind of reward for crooks?

Dark Money is a MUST.

Here's one I'm working on currently that I missed when it came out. Better than The Big Short, IMO:
https://www.amazon.com/Griftopia-Ma...487100940&sr=1-4&refinements=p_27:Matt+Taibbi

REALLY good.
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Thanks for the suggestion.

Too many books on my list, but I can't bear to take any off.

Think I'm going to do The Big short by watching the documentary firstly.

But the 800lb (and nearly 800 page!) gorilla I've been dancing around, has been Thomas Piketty's Capital in the Twenty-First Century.

Amazon: Capital in the Twenty First Century

Not a light or short read, but I figure I gotta' tackle it!
 
j-mac said:
When the Tea Party was doing this, democrats called it 'astroturf'.... Now it seems to be happening coming from democrats, and sources like OFA (Organizing for Action) formerly 'Obama for America' to name one....Should Republican's ignore this type of disruption and hold their town halls anyway?, Or, should they come up with ways to screen these interlopers from their events...? I don't know the answer.....
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My Rep is a Republican and his office has NO town halls or local meetings scheduled and when I called I was told there would be nothing for the foreseeable future. And that guy is Dave Trott of Michigan.

Detroit area Poles have a name for this ...... nogutski.
 
j-mac said:
So, is this your goal?
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No, as I clearly stated, intimidation is the trump/Bannon/Miller goal.

The trump kabal has silenced GOP lawmakers, is trying to censor the media, and has gone after our independent judiciary .
 
j-mac said:
No, I could have searched it NIMBY....But I wanted to see what you are using as proof of your claim....
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It would take you five seconds to learn what I know, and I'm sure you've done it.

Slowing down a poster using iPhone is another trumpistani deflection away from dealing with the coward Chaffetz not investigating the dear leader .
 
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