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Marco Rubio just gave a really important speech - but almost no one paid attention

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TobyOne said:
If no one pays attention to a speech, how could it be important ? By definition, it isn't.
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Did MLK announce "I am going to make a very important speech tomorrow and everyone should pay attention. It is about "I have a dream..."? No, it became of historical significance after the fact. I guess only time will tell. BTW, you just paid attention "no One."
 
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Trippy Trekker said:
Upon examining the voting record, please note before Senator Robo Rubio made his noble speech appealing for decorum, the Wet-from-Sweat Cubano voted with the Senate Majority, 49-43 to silence his colleague Senator Warren. 10 Facts About The Rwandan Genocide - BORGEN
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That's how decorum works. The Senate has rules. She was not participating in civil debate on the nomination. That was the whole point of Rubio's speech:doh
Do you not like Rubio because of his policies, or do you have a hatred of "Cubano"? How did Rwanda get into this discussion?
 
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RenoCon said:
That's how decorum works. The Senate has rules. She was not participating in civil debate on the nomination. That was the whole point of Rubio's speech:doh
Do you not like Rubio because of his policies, or do you have a hatred of "Cubano"? How did Rwanda get into this discussion?
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Yet, when men do the same thing, they are not subject to same rule. I wonder why that is?
 
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RenoCon said:
That's how decorum works. The Senate has rules. She was not participating in civil debate on the nomination. That was the whole point of Rubio's speech:doh
Do you not like Rubio because of his policies, or do you have a hatred of "Cubano"? How did Rwanda get into this discussion?
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Yes... I do not like Robo Rubio as a Senator from my home state. No, I have no hatred for Cubans. Rwanda entered the discussion as an example of extreme political divide.

Exactly how did Senator Warren's attempt to read a letter written about Sessions by Mrs. King, a Civil Rights Icon, violate decorum?

BTW, if you ever met me face-to-face, you might mistake me for a Cuban. I spent the first seven years of my life in Miami.... and returned years later, graduating Miami-Dade before transferring to the University of Florida. The Sweat-a-Lot Robot, much younger than me, in some ways followed my path.
 
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sangha said:
So Rubio, the right wing fanatic who brought politics to a new historic low by making fun of Trumps penis, is now going to lecture us on civility?


:lamo

Right wing rubes will believe anything as long as someone on their team says it
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i've got nothing to add

just wanted to read that very accurate post once more
 
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Chomsky said:
Wow!

Where was that speech 18 mos ago?

I might've voted for that!
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Unlikely - Rubio has always been like that. 18 months ago, the news agencies were more interested in showing live count downs to Trump rallies and breathlessly covering Every Stupid Thing to come out of his mouth.
 
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RenoCon said:
That's how decorum works. The Senate has rules. She was not participating in civil debate on the nomination. That was the whole point of Rubio's speech:doh
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but she was participating in civil debate. she read entries from previous senate meetings. but what she read was not flattering of the senator-nominee under consideration
which then tells us that a senator nominee can not be criticized in the senate, no matter how deserving of public criticism that senator-nominee might be
Do you not like Rubio because of his policies, or do you have a hatred of "Cubano"? How did Rwanda get into this discussion?
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rubio is a light-weight. that has nothing to do with his hispanic heritage
however, you are welcome to share with us all of rubio's accomplishments while in political office
 
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justabubba said:
but she was participating in civil debate. she read entries from previous senate meetings. but what she read was not flattering of the senator-nominee under consideration
which then tells us that a senator nominee can not be criticized in the senate, no matter how deserving of public criticism that senator-nominee might be

rubio is a light-weight. that has nothing to do with his hispanic heritage
however, you are welcome to share with us all of rubio's accomplishments while in political office
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Well, lets just start with this 1,546 bills he either sponsored or co-sponsored in the U. S. Senate alone.

https://www.congress.gov/member/marco-rubio/R000595
 
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RenoCon said:
Well, lets just start with this 1,546 bills he either sponsored or co-sponsored in the U. S. Senate alone.

https://www.congress.gov/member/marco-rubio/R000595
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Which 2016 candidate was the most effective legislator?

So, using GovTrack, we pulled data on how often each of the 11 (plus Joe Biden, just in case) were able to pass legislation in the House, in the Senate, or in both and then signed into law. Here's the comparison:
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So who is the most effective legislator running for president? By this metric, we'll give it to Jindal. But we suspect about the only people who consider that the most appropriate metric are those working for Jindal's campaign
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-effective-legislator/?utm_term=.1e906f279cd4

That's my answer.
 
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Hawkeye10 said:

Which 2016 candidate was the most effective legislator?


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-effective-legislator/?utm_term=.1e906f279cd4

That's my answer.
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Why the big bold question? I like Jindal as well. justabubba was implying that Rubio hasn't accomplished anything. I was responding to that. Nonetheless, justabubba will not likely consider Rubio's sponsoring or cosponsoring Senate bills an important metric.
 
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RenoCon said:
Why the big bold question? I like Jindal as well. justabubba was implying that Rubio hasn't accomplished anything. I was responding to that. Nonetheless, justabubba will not likely consider Rubio's sponsoring or cosponsoring Senate bills an important metric.
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and for once, i will agree with you

hawkeye was kind enough to document rubio's actual effectiveness
 
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cpwill said:
Unlikely - Rubio has always been like that. 18 months ago, the news agencies were more interested in showing live count downs to Trump rallies and breathlessly covering Every Stupid Thing to come out of his mouth.
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Yea, the MSM thought he was an easy mark and wanted him against their flawed candidate. How did that work out?
 
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RenoCon said:
Why the big bold question? I like Jindal as well. justabubba was implying that Rubio hasn't accomplished anything. I was responding to that. Nonetheless, justabubba will not likely consider Rubio's sponsoring or cosponsoring Senate bills an important metric.
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I think that the conventional wisdom that Rubio put all of his eggs in the "immigration reform" basket because he was told by handlers that this was a sure win and then walked away from it all when the geniuses got proven wrong is right.

Rubio is a light thinking lazy climber who so far has shown little of his alleged talents, and has accomplished about nothing.

He looks good on TV though, I would like him as an actor.
 
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Hawkeye10 said:
JEB! did that too as did most, it was a current directive from the consultants, based on the legend of the McCain bus.

People were way less impressed than the consultants expected.

JEB! routinely got ridiculed for what came off as neediness.
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Historically, it predates that by more than a century. Warren G. Harding sat on his front porch in Ohio and invited anyone and everyone to stop by and chat. I believe that was inspired by a previous campaign, but I'm not well versed in anything prior to 20th century Presidential campaigns and I don't have time for google right now.

I don't recall any 20th century campaigns that were based on a "Mr. Smith goes to Washington" motif where Mr. Smith was one of the richest, most heinously offensive men in the public eye. I just can't see old Jimmy Stewart delivering the "because you'd be in jail" line or giving a moving monologue about how he was smart to avoid paying taxes. But writers in Hollywood can work wonders these days.
 
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Mustachio said:
Historically, it predates that by more than a century. Warren G. Harding sat on his front porch in Ohio and invited anyone and everyone to stop by and chat. I believe that was inspired by a previous campaign, but I'm not well versed in anything prior to 20th century Presidential campaigns and I don't have time for google right now.

I don't recall any 20th century campaigns that were based on a "Mr. Smith goes to Washington" motif where Mr. Smith was one of the richest, most heinously offensive men in the public eye. I just can't see old Jimmy Stewart delivering the "because you'd be in jail" line or giving a moving monologue about how he was smart to avoid paying taxes. But writers in Hollywood can work wonders these days.
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That was intended to inform you on how pissed just off the People of the Rebellion are.

An alarming number of people currently either dont know or dont care.

That goes to a bad place every time.
 
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RenoCon said:
* “I don't know of a civilization in the history of the world that's been able to solve its problems when half the people in a country absolutely hate the other half of the people in that country.”"
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This started in 1996, when FOX News came on the scene, with their anger-incitement and lies.
 
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Media_Truth said:
This started in 1996, when FOX News came on the scene, with their anger-incitement and lies.
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It is Fox News fault? Certainly the intelligentsia on the left would have been able to determine what were "anger-incitement and lies" and then prove the argument to the contrary. I believe the real issue is that there was finally a major media source on the scene that didn't toe the line with the lefts ideals. Suddenly, the emperor has no clothes. It must be frustrating, but I do not think it all started with Fox. I think it was inevitable that the pendulum would swing back to the right. The American people realized how bad things could get with the Obama presidency and decided that it was time to make a change. Unfortunately a good portion of the country is not willing to accept this and choose not to participate in civilized debate. Their problem. The pendulum will continue to swing. The left can slow it down, but their current unproductive discourse will only make it swing faster.
 
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RenoCon said:
This was an MLK worthy speech and it is worth listening to the entire 8 minutes. He makes some very important points that not only apply to the Senate, but to political debate in general.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...no-one-paid-attention/?utm_term=.66aacfbae890

https://www.washingtonpost.com/vide...d1247e-ef0f-11e6-a100-fdaaf400369a_video.html

"By contrast, few people paid much attention to the speech Florida Sen. Marco Rubio gave in the aftermath of the shushing of Warren. They should.

Rubio's speech was a plea for civility in the Senate, a warning that if civilized debate dies in the Senate, it will die in the broader society too. It's an important address — and one well worth spending eight minutes of your life listening to.

A few lines that really stood out to me:

* “I don't know of a civilization in the history of the world that's been able to solve its problems when half the people in a country absolutely hate the other half of the people in that country.”"
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The Abraham Lincoln approach, "A house divided, can not stand." I agree with both old Abe and young Marco.
 
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RenoCon said:
It is Fox News fault? Certainly the intelligentsia on the left would have been able to determine what were "anger-incitement and lies" and then prove the argument to the contrary. I believe the real issue is that there was finally a major media source on the scene that didn't toe the line with the lefts ideals. Suddenly, the emperor has no clothes. It must be frustrating, but I do not think it all started with Fox. I think it was inevitable that the pendulum would swing back to the right. The American people realized how bad things could get with the Obama presidency and decided that it was time to make a change. Unfortunately a good portion of the country is not willing to accept this and choose not to participate in civilized debate. Their problem. The pendulum will continue to swing. The left can slow it down, but their current unproductive discourse will only make it swing faster.
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We're in agreement on the time-line. So we agree it was the advent of FOX News. Now maybe we can find some agreement that Roger Ailes, CEO of FOX, up until the last year was on Nixon's media staff. He twisted facts, told lies, and embellished irrelevance for many years to advance the agenda, by inciting anger and hate. One only has to look at his harassment of Megan Kelly to understand that he is an immoral SOB. Bill O'Reilly has 2 sexual harassment suits that FOX settled for upwards of six-figures. This "good ole boy" organization is what you're putting your trust in....
 
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Media_Truth said:
We're in agreement on the time-line. So we agree it was the advent of FOX News. Now maybe we can find some agreement that Roger Ailes, CEO of FOX, up until the last year was on Nixon's media staff. He twisted facts, told lies, and embellished irrelevance for many years to advance the agenda, by inciting anger and hate. One only has to look at his harassment of Megan Kelly to understand that he is an immoral SOB. Bill O'Reilly has 2 sexual harassment suits that FOX settled for upwards of six-figures. This "good ole boy" organization is what you're putting your trust in....
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MONEY makes the world go round.

Almost no one cares.
 
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Hawkeye10 said:
MONEY makes the world go round.

Almost no one cares.
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Absolutely stupid response!!!!
 
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Media_Truth said:
Absolutely stupid response!!!!
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I gotta figure Megan Kelly does not think so, sure looks like she figured on becoming the Queen Bee @FOXNEWS, it sure did not work out that way did it.

People were pissed that she help to make the rainmaker go away.

NOT GOOD!
 
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Hawkeye10 said:
I am not sure what is happening in the nation on that question, me being stuck in a well known left coast lefty zone, and with the "journalists" generally sucking. However, first reports indicate that Trump is playing very well in fly-over country, people want to give him a chance, and the more that it looks like he is not given a chance the more sympathy he gets, which should translate into votes for the R's.
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I think trump remains very popular with ordinary people

And will as long as he keeps outraging the snotty assholes on the left

But the pollsters are working hard to convince us that trump does not have popular support
 
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Mac77 said:
I think trump remains very popular with ordinary people

And will as long as he keeps outraging the snotty assholes on the left

But the pollsters are working hard to convince us that trump does not have popular support
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I was reading that the R CongresCritters who are not on the TRUMP TRAIN are terrified of said Trump Train.

They Clearly Think that Trump still has his MOJO.

They all have good memories of destruction.

Dont want it coming their way.
 
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Hawkeye10 said:
I was reading that the R CongresCritters who are not on the TRUMP TRAIN are terrified of said Trump Train.

They Clearly Think that Trump still has his MOJO.

They all have good memories of destruction.

Dont want it coming their way.
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Trumps biggest enemies are the career republican politicians who resent him for beating them at their own game
 
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