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US investigators corroborate some aspects of the Russia dossier

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US investigators corroborate some aspects of the Russia dossier - CNNPolitics.com

or the first time, US investigators say they have corroborated some of the communications detailed in a 35-page dossier compiled by a former British intelligence agent, multiple current and former US law enforcement and intelligence officials tell CNN. As CNN first reported, then-President-elect Donald Trump and President Barack Obama were briefed on the existence of the dossier prior to Trump's inauguration.
None of the newly learned information relates to the salacious allegations in the dossier. Rather it relates to conversations between foreign nationals. The dossier details about a dozen conversations between senior Russian officials and other Russian individuals. Sources would not confirm which specific conversations were intercepted or the content of those discussions due to the classified nature of US intelligence collection programs.
Kerist, the bad news just keeps on coming.
If even a few allegations gain credibility, this could be devastating for Trump.
Needless to say more info will come out
Thoughts are?
 
US investigators corroborate some aspects of the Russia dossier - CNNPolitics.com


Kerist, the bad news just keeps on coming.
If even a few allegations gain credibility, this could be devastating for Trump.
Needless to say more info will come out
Thoughts are?

OK

The Russians are accused of revealing the ugly side of Hillary and the dnc which caused her to lose the election.

Maybe the American people should be thanking them

This certainly does nothing to hurt trump
 
US investigators corroborate some aspects of the Russia dossier - CNNPolitics.com


Kerist, the bad news just keeps on coming.
If even a few allegations gain credibility, this could be devastating for Trump.
Needless to say more info will come out
Thoughts are?

Really?

None of the newly learned information relates to the salacious allegations in the dossier. Rather it relates to conversations between foreign nationals. The dossier details about a dozen conversations between senior Russian officials and other Russian individuals. Sources would not confirm which specific conversations were intercepted or the content of those discussions due to the classified nature of US intelligence collection programs.

The very BEST disinformation always contains a kernel of truth. Things that can be verified which then give the impression (to the gullible) that it ALL must be true.

The best indicator that the essential premise of the information is NOT true? The fact that lies regarding the principle being targeted were already found in the disinformation. :coffeepap:
 
US investigators corroborate some aspects of the Russia dossier - CNNPolitics.com


Kerist, the bad news just keeps on coming.
If even a few allegations gain credibility, this could be devastating for Trump.
Needless to say more info will come out
Thoughts are?

"Reached for comment this afternoon, White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer said, "We continue to be disgusted by CNN's fake news reporting.
Spicer later called back and said, "This is more fake news. It is about time CNN focused on the success the President has had bringing back jobs, protecting the nation, and strengthening relationships with Japan and other nations. The President won the election because of his vision and message for the nation."

The delusional ineptitude and incompetency of the people he surrounds himself with is bracing, to say the least.
 
If even a few allegations gain credibility, this could be devastating for Trump.
The dossier details about a dozen conversations between senior Russian officials and other Russian individuals.
Russians have figured out how to use a phone. Heaven help us if they learn hot to take selfies...
 
US investigators corroborate some aspects of the Russia dossier - CNNPolitics.com


Kerist, the bad news just keeps on coming.
If even a few allegations gain credibility, this could be devastating for Trump.
Needless to say more info will come out
Thoughts are?

Love the projections and I love this strategy. Demonizing and attacking Trump and every one of his picks and by association every voter that voted for him and the GOP in the last 6 years. Way to win back all those Middle class blue collar workers and women that pulled the lever for Trump. Attack every thing he does, attack his cabinet picks, perpetuate lunacy like the above and tin hattery Putin conspiracy theories and defend the policies and agenda that have led to massive Democrat losses over the last 6 years.
 
It's like they say, don't piss on Trump and tell him it's raining!
 
US investigators corroborate some aspects of the Russia dossier - CNNPolitics.com


Kerist, the bad news just keeps on coming.
If even a few allegations gain credibility, this could be devastating for Trump.
Needless to say more info will come out
Thoughts are?

Again, while the initial release may not have been airtight enough for journalistic standards, the memorandum clearly had enough merit to it to raise the hackles of Congress, the Obama administration and almost the entirety of the intelligence community. And finally, let's not forget that our intelligence community was unnerved enough to warn allied intelligence agencies against sharing intelligence with a future Trump administration.

Was Buzzfeed irresponsible in releasing the memorandum before it could be properly verified? Absolutely.

But is there a there, there? Absolutely.
 
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"Reached for comment this afternoon, White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer said, "We continue to be disgusted by CNN's fake news reporting.
Spicer later called back and said, "This is more fake news. It is about time CNN focused on the success the President has had bringing back jobs, protecting the nation, and strengthening relationships with Japan and other nations. The President won the election because of his vision and message for the nation."

The delusional ineptitude and incompetency of the people he surrounds himself with is bracing, to say the least.

Obviously the "FAKE NEWS!!!" kneejerk reaction is purely for Trump's most ardent kookaid drinkers. It's not intended to be taken seriously by anyone else.
 
Again, while the initial release may not have been airtight enough for journalistic standards, the memorandum clearly had enough merit to it to put up the hackles of Congress, the Obama administration and almost the entirety of the intelligence community. And finally, let's not forget that our intelligence community was unnerved enough to warn allied intelligence agencies against sharing intelligence with a future Trump administration.

Was Buzzfeed irresponsible in releasing the memorandum before it could be properly verified? Absolutely.

But is there a there, there? Absolutely.

Bulls**t dodge, Cardinal. It raised the hackles of a bunch of people who never bothered to check the veracity.
 
Bulls**t dodge, Cardinal. It raised the hackles of a bunch of people who never bothered to check the veracity.

The only dodge I see here is yours (and a goofy one at that). You're forgetting that the source was trusted sufficiently in order to gravely concern anybody who saw the memorandum and (here's the part you're forgetting)...the investigation was always still ongoing. It's not like the memorandum came out and everybody said, "Welp, that's the end of that, I guess."
 
Really?



The very BEST disinformation always contains a kernel of truth. Things that can be verified which then give the impression (to the gullible) that it ALL must be true.

The best indicator that the essential premise of the information is NOT true? The fact that lies regarding the principle being targeted were already found in the disinformation. :coffeepap:

The TH'ers never stopped believing it was all true. They were just waiting for a half assed confirmation, like this, to support that belief.
 
US investigators corroborate some aspects of the Russia dossier - CNNPolitics.com


Kerist, the bad news just keeps on coming.
If even a few allegations gain credibility, this could be devastating for Trump.
Needless to say more info will come out
Thoughts are?

Trump has been in bed with Russians for years. That is a fact. Trump has been and is all gooey for Putin. Even Flynn is up to his neck in trouble because of Russia. Russian crime lords bailed Trump out of bankruptcy when Trump's shaky business history and his abysmal financial status made it impossible for Trump to borrow money from western sources. Hundreds of millions came from Russians who had ripped off the people of Russia.

Right now as we speak Trump Tower in Toronto is for sale for maybe half of what it is worth. No one is going to buy it. As you probably know Trump Tower Toronto never performed well. Trump and his shady Russian-Canadian billionaire partner are being sued. From what I have read it seems that Trump Tower Toronto was involved in the same kind of scam as Trump Soho where Trump's partners included other Russian business partners, two of which were either facing serious fraud and related charges in other countries or were indicted in the US.

People would be insane not to want a full investigation of Trump's connections to Russia.
 
Trump has been in bed with Russians for years. That is a fact. Trump has been and is all gooey for Putin. Even Flynn is up to his neck in trouble because of Russia. Russian crime lords bailed Trump out of bankruptcy when Trump's shaky business history and his abysmal financial status made it impossible for Trump to borrow money from western sources. Hundreds of millions came from Russians who had ripped off the people of Russia.

Right now as we speak Trump Tower in Toronto is for sale for maybe half of what it is worth. No one is going to buy it. As you probably know Trump Tower Toronto never performed well. Trump and his shady Russian-Canadian billionaire partner are being sued. From what I have read it seems that Trump Tower Toronto was involved in the same kind of scam as Trump Soho where Trump's partners included other Russian business partners, two of which were either facing serious fraud and related charges in other countries or were indicted in the US.

People would be insane not to want a full investigation of Trump's connections to Russia.

I didn't know about Trump Tower in Toronto. Where did you see that?
 
Here's how the LBJ "pig ****er" smear works:

The OP is a registered member of Debate Politics.
The OP joined Debate Politics in December of 2014.
Somebody somewhere once said that the OP had sexual relations with a barnyard animal in a red barn in the United States.
The OP's registered forum name is JANFU.
Barns are often red in this country.

I can prove 80% of this, beyond a shadow of a doubt, right now. I wonder what else I am right about....

...aaaaaand scene.
 
The only dodge I see here is yours (and a goofy one at that). You're forgetting that the source was trusted sufficiently in order to gravely concern anybody who saw the memorandum and (here's the part you're forgetting)...the investigation was always still ongoing. It's not like the memorandum came out and everybody said, "Welp, that's the end of that, I guess."

Again, bulls**t. The source was not trusted enough by the FBI, CIA or NSA to consider the piece any more than unsubstantiated smears, and the information that could potentially be corroborated regarding Trump directly was easily debunked with this "trusted source" making stupid mistakes like tracking the wrong person and taking stories from 4Chan.

The only dingbats who took the dossier seriously were dimwits like Harry Reid who never bothered to check, but then the truth has never been a requirement for Harry Reid to spread a story.
 
Trump has been in bed with Russians for years. That is a fact. Trump has been and is all gooey for Putin. Even Flynn is up to his neck in trouble because of Russia. Russian crime lords bailed Trump out of bankruptcy when Trump's shaky business history and his abysmal financial status made it impossible for Trump to borrow money from western sources. Hundreds of millions came from Russians who had ripped off the people of Russia.

Right now as we speak Trump Tower in Toronto is for sale for maybe half of what it is worth. No one is going to buy it. As you probably know Trump Tower Toronto never performed well. Trump and his shady Russian-Canadian billionaire partner are being sued. From what I have read it seems that Trump Tower Toronto was involved in the same kind of scam as Trump Soho where Trump's partners included other Russian business partners, two of which were either facing serious fraud and related charges in other countries or were indicted in the US.

People would be insane not to want a full investigation of Trump's connections to Russia.

I'm sure AG Sessions and his solicitor general will be right on that investigation.

Long day today and tomorrow with high school wrestling so I'm not long for this world .
 
US investigators corroborate some aspects of the Russia dossier - CNNPolitics.com


Kerist, the bad news just keeps on coming.
If even a few allegations gain credibility, this could be devastating for Trump.
Needless to say more info will come out
Thoughts are?

Out of curiosity, what "anonymous allegations" have been devastating to Trump so far? The guy has managed to piss off everyone up to and including the Pope yet he still has right around 50% favorability. If the "anonymous sources" suddenly came out with transcripts of him discussing Hillary with Putin himself AND they came up with a video of him paying hookers to poop on Obama's bed he would STILL have 50% favorability (maybe a few points more). Face it, he's the anti-Obama and the next four years (maybe eight) are the lefties years to be pissed off at the government.
 
Again, bulls**t.
Specifically what is?

The source was not trusted enough by the FBI, CIA or NSA to consider the piece any more than unsubstantiated smears,

Sources? Or are you providing alternate facts. Alternate facts don't have valid sources. Enlighten us. Share your source of knowledge with us so that we too may know facts as you have them.

and the information that could potentially be corroborated regarding Trump directly was easily debunked with this "trusted source" making stupid mistakes like tracking the wrong person and taking stories from 4Chan.

Thus the information in all 35 pages is incorrect? Show us how you know that.

The only dingbats who took the dossier seriously were dimwits like Harry Reid who never bothered to check, but then the truth has never been a requirement for Harry Reid to spread a story.

What is the truth? How do you know it to be true?

The investigation existed before the 35 page report and it continues. Are you telling us that you have information that the CIA, FBI and/or the NSA are looking for? Why haven't you shared it with them? They would be grateful and no doubt would like very much to no longer be concerned with the possibility of Trump being blackmailed by Putin.

Why don't you share the information with us?
 
I'm sure AG Sessions and his solicitor general will be right on that investigation.
Oh, sure. Put money on it. :wink2:

Long day today and tomorrow with high school wrestling so I'm not long for this world .

Good luck with the match. I hope your kids win.
 
One thing I forgot to mention earlier is that I haven't seen where anyone here has said that Trump was guilty of anything in the dossier. What I have seen is people defending Trump by saying none of the Trump dossier is true.

There appears to be, then, two groups of people.

Group one is saying that the allegations in the dossier might be true and that only a continued investigation will be able to determine the facts.

Group two is saying that none of the information is true and an investigation is not warranted.
 
Specifically what is?

The information that Trump surrogates spoke with Russians and the story about Trump's hotel visit in Russia. Al you and the rest of the desperate have is that they may have confirmed that Russians talked to each other.

Sources? Or are you providing alternate facts. Alternate facts don't have valid sources. Enlighten us. Share your source of knowledge with us so that we too may know facts as you have them.

Were you under a rock during the beating Buzzfeed took for posting the discredited dossier? Or the beating CNN took for misreporting of the nature of the CIA presentation to Trump?

Thus the information in all 35 pages is incorrect? Show us how you know that.

The information that really mattered was proven to be fake or easily proven wrong. Can you tell me what from the rest of the rubble was shown to be true? I guess there is a place called Russia that does employ spies that do, on occaision, speak to one another.

Stop. The. Presses. :roll:


What is the truth? How do you know it to be true?

I know the guy who compiled the dossier who claimed a Trump surrogate met clandestinely with Russian spies is false because USC confirmed that the person in question was visiting USC with his son at the time, and that it has been shown that the idiot who put the dossier together was incapable of fathoming the idea that two people in the world have the same name.

Now you tell me what has been proven to be true in the dossier...

The investigation existed before the 35 page report and it continues. Are you telling us that you have information that the CIA, FBI and/or the NSA are looking for? Why haven't you shared it with them? They would be grateful and no doubt would like very much to no longer be concerned with the possibility of Trump being blackmailed by Putin.

No, I have the information that the CIA FBI and NSA have already disclosed about the dossier:

James Clapper said:
We also discussed the private security company document, which was widely circulated in recent months among the media, members of Congress and Congressional staff even before the IC became aware of it. I emphasized that this document is not a U.S. Intelligence Community product and that I do not believe the leaks came from within the IC. The IC has not made any judgment that the information in this document is reliable, and we did not rely upon it in any way for our conclusions. However, part of our obligation is to ensure that policymakers are provided with the fullest possible picture of any matters that might affect national security.

Seriously dude, you are taking on the role of Birther at this point if you are holding out hope on this piece of garbage.

Why don't you share the information with us?

How about you read the news?
 
The information that Trump surrogates spoke with Russians and the story about Trump's hotel visit in Russia. Al you and the rest of the desperate have is that they may have confirmed that Russians talked to each other.



Were you under a rock during the beating Buzzfeed took for posting the discredited dossier? Or the beating CNN took for misreporting of the nature of the CIA presentation to Trump?



The information that really mattered was proven to be fake or easily proven wrong. Can you tell me what from the rest of the rubble was shown to be true? I guess there is a place called Russia that does employ spies that do, on occaision, speak to one another.

Stop. The. Presses. :roll:




I know the guy who compiled the dossier who claimed a Trump surrogate met clandestinely with Russian spies is false because USC confirmed that the person in question was visiting USC with his son at the time, and that it has been shown that the idiot who put the dossier together was incapable of fathoming the idea that two people in the world have the same name.

Now you tell me what has been proven to be true in the dossier...



No, I have the information that the CIA FBI and NSA have already disclosed about the dossier:



Seriously dude, you are taking on the role of Birther at this point if you are holding out hope on this piece of garbage.



How about you read the news?


Let's cut to it.

What sources do you have that prove all the information provided in the 35 page report is not true?

What sources do you have that prove the investigations that were in progress prior to the 35 page report are unwarranted?

How do you know exactly what is in Trump's FBI, CIA, etc. dossier (which we might assume includes more than the 35 page document)?

Unless you have valid sources then you don't know the answers. If you don't know the answers why in the hell do you insist there is no need for Trump to be investigated because the allegations are baseless?

Several of us have posted questions and sources that we believe warrant concern. We don't know them to be true but we do not know them to be false. We do know that Russian crime lords bailed Trump out when no one else would dare take the risks. We don't know why they would assume such risks, but we do know that some of his Russian business buddies were involved in tax evasion and money laundering. Does that mean Trump was/is? We don't know but, we do believe that given what is known it would foolish to dismiss on-going investigations into Trump's relationship with Russia/Putin. Obviously American 3 letter agencies were concerned BEFORE Trump was elected president as they were investigating him.
 
Let's cut to it.

What sources do you have that prove all the information provided in the 35 page report is not true?

Where did I say all of it wasn't true? I agreed that Russia exists, and that they pay spies to spy. I am waiting for someone on your side to show me what in the dossier has been proven true... and you can't.

What sources do you have that prove the investigations that were in progress prior to the 35 page report are unwarranted?

Where did I ever say they weren't warranted? This dossier has been floated in front of all of the major news organizations who all attempted to corroborate the more damning aspects of the story and all drew a blank.

How do you know exactly what is in Trump's FBI, CIA, etc. dossier (which we might assume includes more than the 35 page document)?

I don't, but you are the one guessing at it and pretending like if is more than you being foolish.

Unless you have valid sources then you don't know the answers. If you don't know the answers why in the hell do you insist there is no need for Trump to be investigated because the allegations are baseless?

I have posted the information from pro-Democrat sources and chewed up and spat out that dossier as a waste of time. Hit: When SALON turns it back on that dossier it is time for you to fold up your tent and find some other place to camp.

Several of us have posted questions and sources that we believe warrant concern. We don't know them to be true but we do not know them to be false. We do know that Russian crime lords bailed Trump out when no one else would dare take the risks. We don't know why they would assume such risks, but we do know that some of his Russian business buddies were involved in tax evasion and money laundering. Does that mean Trump was/is? We don't know but, we do believe that given what is known it would foolish to dismiss on-going investigations into Trump's relationship with Russia/Putin. Obviously American 3 letter agencies were concerned BEFORE Trump was elected president as they were investigating him.

Posting a question isn't the same as concern being warranted. Anti-Vaxers and Birthers and 9/11 Truthers all post questions too. We set the bar a bit higher of what is valad concerns and when all sane levels of vetting have been complete. You are drifting into the Anti-Vax/Birther/Thruther zone now.
 
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