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Most Europeans want immigration ban from Muslim-majority countries, poll reveals

zimmer said:
The majority of Europeans want a ban on ALL Muslim immigration... not just the Rogue Seven.

Why would that be?
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They all read the same Koran, which repeatedly urges them to kill all unbelievers.
 
chuckiechan said:
I see you live in England. Is all this stuff about "Londonistan" just all so much BS?
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Pretty much. I don't go up so often these days as I used to, (I live on the south coast, 100 miles away) but I've never encountered any such problems. (Other than being evacuated from a building in an IRA bomb scare!) I prefer the politics of the current (Muslim) Mayor to his NY-born predecessor!
Down here we have a cosmopolitan community, having several language schools taking pupils from around Europe, and indeed the world. There's a big Jewish community here too, with several synagogues in town, as well as a couple of mosques.
 
Winston said:
If you look at Dearborn, it proves your thesis wrong. Your thesis is: Muslims hate each other so much they all want to kill each other. This is short-sighted. Look at Dearborn it has a huge muslim population. No Jihads. No crazy Murders. Turns out these Muslims are just living their lives, raising families, going to school, and being tax-paying Americans. So, this evidence would prove you wrong. When you say, All muslims hate each other. I explained the regional squabbles and nuances of the Middle Eastern world right now. To say because it exists over there, it must exist over here, is a fallacy. How many Muslims do you even personally know?
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I have noticed that some posters dismiss personal anecdotes as irrelevant, but then challenge any poster who does ;not personally know any Muslims. That seems a bit inconsistent.

I have known only a couple of Muslims in the US. One was an Iranian man married to the daughter of a friend of mine. The other was a young Turkish woman. Both were very "Westernized" and I admit neither of them tried to kill me.

When I was stationed with the Air Force overseas in Libya in 1954, I encountered many Muslims in their natural habitat. As I said before, I liked the Libyans, distrusted the Egyptians and despised the Saudis. But those were brief impressions, not personal acquaintance.
 
poweRob said:
It's like you are so desperate to say "I told you so" that you are hoping for a terrorist attack or something.
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"hoping for a terrorist attack" where have you been? There has been a string of terrorist attacks happening for a while now. There need not be a pointing of fingers at a possible future again.

This also isn't taking into account things like damage of property, rape, assault, and any myriad of other crimes.

Now, this really isn't a threat to the U.S. due to geography and we could easily take in more people, especially considering these people are fleeing situations that the U.S. helped create via our foreign policy (thanks Bush/Obama/and more).

However, there is a clash of cultures happening and there are aspects between these cultures that are mutually exclusive. One culture will have to give to the other. This is inevitable.
 
JohnPaul said:
I have noticed that some posters dismiss personal anecdotes as irrelevant, but then challenge any poster who does ;not personally know any Muslims. That seems a bit inconsistent.

I have known only a couple of Muslims in the US. One was an Iranian man married to the daughter of a friend of mine. The other was a young Turkish woman. Both were very "Westernized" and I admit neither of them tried to kill me.

When I was stationed with the Air Force overseas in Libya in 1954, I encountered many Muslims in their natural habitat. As I said before, I liked the Libyans, distrusted the Egyptians and despised the Saudis. But those were brief impressions, not personal acquaintance.
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I think personal anecdotes are relevant when addressing xenophobia. I live about 100 miles or so West of Dearborn. The aforementioned Muslim populated city. I live in a university town so, we get a lot of different people coming and going. I also work at a grocery store, so I see the whole community. I know and have worked with many Muslims. Hearing Arabic in my grocery store is an everyday occurrence. I've mostly been friends with an Afghani family. The Afghani family I know escaped Afghanistan during the Bush years and has started over here in the U.S. They are practicing Muslim and the idea that Islam makes them dangerous and they're going to start attacking other Muslims is just hogwash. Right now one of my coworkers on an everyday basis has a Muslim name, speaks Arabic, and is one of the most down to earth, good natured people I work with. Last week, I helped a group of Syrian refugees find their groceries and pay. They speak no English. It was 3 generations. Grandma, Grandpa, Mom, Dad, and the babies. To suggest that these people hold malice in their heart is just insulting to me. Especially when you consider that U.S. foreign policy helped cause their displacement.
 
zimmer said:
These terror acts throughout the world are not from
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Protestants,
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Ever heard of the Red Hand Defenders in Northern-Ireland? How about the Orange Volunteers in Northern-Ireland? Or the KKK in America? The National Liberation Front of Tripura in India?

Buddhists,
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Extremist Buddhist have killed scores of Muslim civilians in Burma. Christian too have been victims to Buddhist terrorism. There have been similar attacks in Sri Lanka too.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Ever heard of the Red Hand Defenders in Northern-Ireland? How about the Orange Volunteers in Northern-Ireland? Or the KKK in America? The National Liberation Front of Tripura in India?


Extremist Buddhist have killed scores of Muslim civilians in Burma. Christian too have been victims to Buddhist terrorism. There have been similar attacks in Sri Lanka too.
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None of those groups are at war with the US and threatening to attack us with terrorism.


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zimmer said:
It's like America demanding to take in Germans during WWII.

Not only did we not do that, our Democrat President locked up Germans and Japanese.
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Not taking more in during that time? Not unreasonable. Locking our out citizens up because they share common ancestry? Hell no. Once you're a citizen you get full rights. Otherwise citizenship means nothing.
 
zimmer said:
We're western civilization, and we all know Europeans are further Left than Americans... so...

...instead of dodging the question, and doing so badly...

... Tell us why they would want to ban Muslims.

You follow the news... venture a guess.
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Well, they were plenty more to the right of us just a few decades ago. We saw how that turned out....

Germany First! ....er, I mean, Deutschland uber alles!
 
Grim17 said:
None of those groups are at war with the US and threatening to attack us with terrorism.
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And neither have all Muslims. ISIS is estimated to be about 40,000 people. Al Qaeda is probably even smaller. There are 1.5 billion Muslims on the planet. Do you really want to pick a fight with 1.5 billion people because of the actions of those two groups?
 
americanwoman said:
Can you provide more examples that the majority of Europeans want a ban? Some kind of widespread study other than one poll from the UK.
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Here is an interesting aspect of it to add some numbers and something more concrete than a simple poll. It's tangentially related to this topic, or maybe more appropriately classified of symptomatic of the issue.

Jews leave France in record numbers - CNN.com
 
zimmer said:
Women are Babes.

Hmmm... seems you're more offended by "Babe" than Muslims who are a threat to safety. Odd... but true.
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It's condescending and demeaning.
 
zimmer said:
Yes.

I'm not for an all-out ban, but I am for such extreme vetting that unless we are 100% sure the individual (of any religion) is not a threat to society, said individual should not be allowed into the country.
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I'm not 100% sure anyone isn't a potential threat to society. Do we need to do the best vetting we can? Yes. Should we look to figure out how we can help people out in their own regions so they don't have to come here? Yes.

Can we be 100% sure of anything? No. That's silly.
 
ataraxia said:
And neither have all Muslims.
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That is correct, which is why only 6 countries with unstable governments were singled out for the TEMPORARY travel ban.


ISIS is estimated to be about 40,000 people. Al Qaeda is probably even smaller. There are 1.5 billion Muslims on the planet. Do you really want to pick a fight with 1.5 billion people because of the actions of those two groups?
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Who's picking a fight?

Six countries does not a Muslim ban make.
 
Winston said:
I think personal anecdotes are relevant when addressing xenophobia. I live about 100 miles or so West of Dearborn. The aforementioned Muslim populated city. I live in a university town so, we get a lot of different people coming and going. I also work at a grocery store, so I see the whole community. I know and have worked with many Muslims. Hearing Arabic in my grocery store is an everyday occurrence. I've mostly been friends with an Afghani family. The Afghani family I know escaped Afghanistan during the Bush years and has started over here in the U.S. They are practicing Muslim and the idea that Islam makes them dangerous and they're going to start attacking other Muslims is just hogwash. Right now one of my coworkers on an everyday basis has a Muslim name, speaks Arabic, and is one of the most down to earth, good natured people I work with. Last week, I helped a group of Syrian refugees find their groceries and pay. They speak no English. It was 3 generations. Grandma, Grandpa, Mom, Dad, and the babies. To suggest that these people hold malice in their heart is just insulting to me. Especially when you consider that U.S. foreign policy helped cause their displacement.
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Thanks. I grew up on a small farm about 40 miles west of Dearborn and went to high school in Dexter, but it has been almost 50 years since I have been back there. I am sure most Muslims are good people, but it is the few young men attracted by the adventure of Jihad that I fear.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Ever heard of the Red Hand Defenders in Northern-Ireland? How about the Orange Volunteers in Northern-Ireland? Or the KKK in America? The National Liberation Front of Tripura in India?


Extremist Buddhist have killed scores of Muslim civilians in Burma. Christian too have been victims to Buddhist terrorism. There have been similar attacks in Sri Lanka too.
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Yep... they've been a threat to Europe and America on a regular basis. Not.

Reactions like yours and other Leftists were expected.

You try to defend the indefensible, and illustrate you folks should be nowhere near the reigns of power. You're a danger and menace to society.
 
Fishking said:
Not taking more in during that time? Not unreasonable. Locking our out citizens up because they share common ancestry? Hell no. Once you're a citizen you get full rights. Otherwise citizenship means nothing.
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I was making the point that Democrats during times of war didn't just deny entry, they confined Americans of said nationalities threatening our security to camps.

We would like to control the borders, and it seems the majority of Europeans would like an all-out halt to a specific religious group proven to be infiltrated by masses of nefarious assholes... but the Amerikan Left has lost its mind.

They seem to enjoy juggling live hand grenades.
 
Winston said:
Honestly, this kind of thinking isn't based in reality.
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Sure it is:
"Somali-Americans who Fled Civil War Confront Tribalism in New Home" from MPRNews.org:

Like immigrants from other countries, they often became targets of racism. But in the last five years, they've focused on a different kind of prejudice — how some in the Somali community discriminate against other Somalis from different tribes.
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After nearly 15 years of war and the deaths of an estimated 500,000 people, it's hard not to be tribalistic, said Shaie, who came to the United States in 1992, at age 7.
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And it's happening because people carry their cultural baggage with them. Cultural baggage that can sometimes be dangerous. Democratically-elected governments supported by the lives and labor of their citizens - from whom, and from whom alone, they derive all their legitimacy - have a duty to protect against these dangers.
 
zimmer said:
Not seven rogue states.

"ALL".

Seems they're concerned about something Demokrats have difficulty understanding.

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Most Europeans want to end migration from Muslim countries | Daily Mail Online
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Fortunately, enough Americans are not as cowardly and xenophobic as the 53% in this survey.

What people like them (and you apparently) have not the foggiest idea about is many would rather be far less safe and not act paranoid and xenophobic rather than the opposite.

You (and them) seem to be about 'safety at all costs'. No offense, but that seems cowardly to me. There is no other way I can think to put it. You are willing to act staggeringly uncool just to be a little safer. How completely and utterly pathetic that is to me.

If the only way America can survive is by acting like scared, little babies - trusting no one, suspecting everyone who is different - than I hope America ceases to be. Because that is not the America I love.


As I have often said (a quote from a movie):

'It's better to be dead and cool than alive an uncool'.


Of course, maybe I am wrong. Maybe this is not about safety. Maybe you and them are just xenophobic losers who look down on anyone that is different in ways you don't understand. Or maybe you are just a trained minion - who follows whatever people in the media whom you respect say.
Whatever the reason, I pity you and I roll my eyes at almost every post on this subject you make...like I would at a child who is having a silly, temper tantrum...and you know there is nothing you can do until they calm down and see reason.

You are beyond help and beyond reason on this, imo.

Obviously - on this subject - you are either cowardly and/or do/think whatever you are told and/or simply hate Muslims for some ridiculous and stupid reason.

Yup...you are a Trumpbot alright.


Have a nice day.
 
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DA60 said:
Fortunately, enough Americans are not as cowardly and xenophobic as the 53% in this survey.

What people like them (and you apparently) have not the foggiest idea about is many would rather be far less safe and not act paranoid and xenophobic rather than the opposite.

You (and them) seem to be about 'safety at all costs'. No offense, but that seems cowardly to me. There is no other way I can think to put it. You are willing to act staggeringly uncool just to be a little safer. How completely and utterly pathetic that is to me.

If the only way America can survive is by acting like scared, little babies - trusting no one, suspecting everyone who is different - than I hope America ceases to be. Because that is not the America I love.


As I have often said (a quote from a movie):

'It's better to be dead and cool than alive an uncool'.


Of course, maybe I am wrong. Maybe this is not about safety. Maybe you and them are just xenophobic losers who look down on anyone that is different in ways you don't understand. Or maybe you are just a trained minion - who follows whatever people in the media whom you respect say.
Whatever the reason, I pity you and I roll my eyes at almost every post on this subject you make...like I would at a child who is having a silly, temper tantrum...and you know there is nothing you can do until they calm down and see reason.

You are beyond help and beyond reason on this, imo.

Obviously - on this subject - you are either cowardly and/or do/think whatever you are told and/or simply hate Muslims for some ridiculous and stupid reason.

Yup...you are a Trumpbot alright.


Have a nice day.
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The simple fact is Muslims are committing acts of terror all over western civilization.

They have been doing so for some time... even with the incompetent Obama's attempts to appease. It seems he failed miserably. He had his 8-years, now it's time to clean up Junior's large and juvenile messes.

If we cannot be sure the individual coming into the country does not pose a threat, there is no law saying we must admit said person.

It's common sense really, but something in darn short supply on The Left.

Congratulations on a post that exploded with emotion, but not much clear thinking. It's a bad habit of The Left, and yet another indication why The Left need be prevented from having the reigns of power.

Thank you for adding to the many examples of Liberal Insanity.
 
DA60 said:
Fortunately, enough Americans are not as cowardly and xenophobic as the 53% in this survey.

What people like them (and you apparently) have not the foggiest idea about is many would rather be far less safe and not act paranoid and xenophobic rather than the opposite.

You (and them) seem to be about 'safety at all costs'. No offense, but that seems cowardly to me. There is no other way I can think to put it. You are willing to act staggeringly uncool just to be a little safer. How completely and utterly pathetic that is to me.

If the only way America can survive is by acting like scared, little babies - trusting no one, suspecting everyone who is different - than I hope America ceases to be. Because that is not the America I love.


As I have often said (a quote from a movie):

'It's better to be dead and cool than alive an uncool'.


Of course, maybe I am wrong. Maybe this is not about safety. Maybe you and them are just xenophobic losers who look down on anyone that is different in ways you don't understand. Or maybe you are just a trained minion - who follows whatever people in the media whom you respect say.
Whatever the reason, I pity you and I roll my eyes at almost every post on this subject you make...like I would at a child who is having a silly, temper tantrum...and you know there is nothing you can do until they calm down and see reason.

You are beyond help and beyond reason on this, imo.

Obviously - on this subject - you are either cowardly and/or do/think whatever you are told and/or simply hate Muslims for some ridiculous and stupid reason.

Yup...you are a Trumpbot alright.


Have a nice day.
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Because the Left has no better strategy than ridiculing everyone who disagrees with them, Trump.
 
ataraxia said:
And neither have all Muslims. ISIS is estimated to be about 40,000 people. Al Qaeda is probably even smaller. There are 1.5 billion Muslims on the planet. Do you really want to pick a fight with 1.5 billion people because of the actions of those two groups?
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Then who are these refugees running from, their shadow.
 
zimmer said:
Not seven rogue states.

"ALL".

Seems they're concerned about something Demokrats have difficulty understanding.

Also:
Most Europeans want to end migration from Muslim countries | Daily Mail Online
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The Swiss are having a referendum on its nationalisation process, which is costly and gruelling. The question they are devided on is, whether immigrants born in the country as a member of a family that has already been in the country for two generations as a third generation inhabitant of Switzerland should be allowed a less onerous test for nationalisation. Or not.
 
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