Judges Block North Carolina Law Limiting Governor's Powers

A North Carolina court temporarily blocked a new state law on Wednesday that stripped the new Democratic governor of some of his powers.

The law, passed by the GOP-controlled legislature, required Senate confirmation for the governor's Cabinet members, which previous governors have not needed. The law was approved in December, two weeks before Roy Cooper took over. It was criticized by Democrats who called it a partisan effort to undermine the new governor's authority.

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And what party did the previous governors, for whom Senate confirmation was not needed, belong to? The answer to that question overrides the argument as to whether or not confirmation is fair and lawful, and makes it quite moot.

Yes, you will hear passionate arguments from NC Republicans that actually makes sense..... That is, until the history of such laws is revealed. If the way it has always been done is good enough for Republicans, then it is good enough for Cooper too, except in the minds of the partisan douche bags in North Carolina.

Judges Block North Carolina Law Limiting Governor's Powers - ABC News

Who gives the governer his powers? Oh, the legislature. Just checking.

apdst said:

Who gives the governer his powers? Oh, the legislature. Just checking.

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So did that apply to previous governors? Why not?

A legislature passes a law and it is signed by a governor and the next governor doesn't like it so he runs to a judge(s).

The world has gone crazy. Is the law valid or not is the basic question. Some states have confirmations others subject cabinet members to direct election.

danarhea said:

And what party did the previous governors, for whom Senate confirmation was not needed, belong to? The answer to that question overrides the argument as to whether or not confirmation is fair and lawful, and makes it quite moot.

Yes, you will hear passionate arguments from NC Republicans that actually makes sense..... That is, until the history of such laws is revealed. If the way it has always been done is good enough for Republicans, then it is good enough for Cooper too, except in the minds of the partisan douche bags in North Carolina.

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I would think that altering the powers of the executive would be tantamount to amending the constitution. There must be a legal procedure for that even in North Carolina.

danarhea said:

So did that apply to previous governors? Why not?

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But, if the legislature is acting within the law and the state constitution, then it isn't within the perview of the court.

danarhea said:

And what party did the previous governors, for whom Senate confirmation was not needed, belong to? The answer to that question overrides the argument as to whether or not confirmation is fair and lawful, and makes it quite moot.

Yes, you will hear passionate arguments from NC Republicans that actually makes sense..... That is, until the history of such laws is revealed. If the way it has always been done is good enough for Republicans, then it is good enough for Cooper too, except in the minds of the partisan douche bags in North Carolina.

Judges Block North Carolina Law Limiting Governor's Powers - ABC News

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In another blatant display of shoddy shameless terrible journalism, ABC news couldn't be bothered to spell out the exact reasons for why these three-judge panel ruled against the law. So far I see no reason why this law was actually unconstitutional and ABC couldn't be bothered to spell out exactly how that's the case.

danarhea said:

And what party did the previous governors, for whom Senate confirmation was not needed, belong to? The answer to that question overrides the argument as to whether or not confirmation is fair and lawful, and makes it quite moot.

Yes, you will hear passionate arguments from NC Republicans that actually makes sense..... That is, until the history of such laws is revealed. If the way it has always been done is good enough for Republicans, then it is good enough for Cooper too, except in the minds of the partisan douche bags in North Carolina.

Judges Block North Carolina Law Limiting Governor's Powers - ABC News

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The judicial branch seems to be the only way these authoritarian GOP punks can be reigned in.

I am surprised that this law did not already exist in NC or anywhere else. I don't know about NC, but I think some of my state's cabinet positions have been held by the same people through GOP and DNC governorships. The Secretary of Agriculture is one of them that comes to mind.

danarhea said:

So did that apply to previous governors? Why not?

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New laws change old practices all the time. That's why new laws are enacted in the first place. If new laws didn't change the status quo, then there would be no need for any new law? As for this new law, the Legislature has the power and authority under the state constitution to do what they did. The only power the court would have is to overturn the law if it were not in compliance with the state constitution.

Now, as to whether they should have done this? I don't agree with it at all - politically or ethically. The Governor should have the ability to put his/her people in the executive positions that he/she wants that have the same or similar beliefs as those of the governor - which makes it possible for the governor to accomplish his/her job without political interference by people in powerful positions that are against him/her that otherwise would have been replaced by the governor.

Anyone that feels differently regarding what the Democrats in the US Senate are doing to President Trump than they feel about this action in NC, are hypocrites. If someone supports what the Democrats are doing to Trump's appointments but do not support what they GOP did to the governor of NC, then that's the very definition of hypocrite, as is anyone that is upset with Trump being stonewalled by the Senate Dems but supports what the NC General Assembly did to the NC governor.


All that said, this action by the NC General Assembly, although questionable ethically as is what the Dems in the US Senate are doing to Trump's appointments, is legal and Constitutional, as is what the Dems in the US Senate are doing to Trump and his appointments.

danarhea said:

So did that apply to previous governors? Why not?

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It did.

poweRob said:

The judicial branch seems to be the only way these authoritarian GOP punks can be reigned in.

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Too bad the authoritarian Dems can't be reigned in by the courts.

Henrin said:

Too bad the authoritarian Dems can't be reigned in by the courts.

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Great non-contribution there... derrrp.

backpacker said:

I am surprised that this law did not already exist in NC or anywhere else. I don't know about NC, but I think some of my state's cabinet positions have been held by the same people through GOP and DNC governorships. The Secretary of Agriculture is one of them that comes to mind.

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I can't tell what state you're from since it's not in your description or your post, but here in NC there are a number of state officials that are elected, such as the Department of Insurance Commissioner, Department of Labor Commissioner, and the Department of Agriculture Commissioner. Just to name three. There are also a number that are appointed by the governor, such as the Secretary of Department of Transportation and the Secretary of the Department of Public Safety.

So, it depends on which department you're talking about as to how the department head gets their job, either elected statewide, or appointed by the governor.

AliHajiSheik said:

A legislature passes a law and it is signed by a governor and the next governor doesn't like it so he runs to a judge(s).

The world has gone crazy. Is the law valid or not is the basic question. Some states have confirmations others subject cabinet members to direct election.

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In NC we have both. Some department heads appointed by the governor, and some are elected in statewide election.

poweRob said:

Great non-contribution there... derrrp.

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It's as good as yours. :shrug: Maybe you should try contributing more if you want more from me.

Beaudreaux said:

In NC we have both. Some department heads appointed by the governor, and some are elected in statewide election.

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As I suspect it is in most states. Each state defines which position are cabinet level and from the states I've lived, they are not necessarily teammates, which seems a bit strange to me, but that is for the state to decide.

Henrin said:

It did.

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I see you are back to spewing alternative facts again. Fact is, it didn't. Read the article before stating something that isn't true..

Henrin said:

It's as good as yours. :shrug: Maybe you should try contributing more if you want more from me.

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Two things.

1) Mine addressed the actual topic in the OP. Yours didn't. Yours was just a petty spite post directed at me.
2) I didn't ask nor do I really want anything from you. No need to assume I do.

poweRob said:

The judicial branch seems to be the only way these authoritarian GOP punks can be reigned in.

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The power of the Judicial Branch isn't unlimited.

apdst said:

The power of the Judicial Branch isn't unlimited.

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But you know what? They have the POWER TO INTERPRET THE CONSTITUTION. Doncha think?

poweRob said:

But you know what? They have the POWER TO INTERPRET THE CONSTITUTION. Doncha think?

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Nope! Sure don't! Unless, of course you can show us where The Constitution gives them the power to interpret The Constitution, at will; which we know you can't do, no matter how much screaming you do on the internet.

apdst said:

Nope! Sure don't! Unless, of course you can show us where The Constitution gives them the power to interpret The Constitution, at will; which we know you can't do, no matter how much screaming you do on the internet.

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:lamo

Beaudreaux said:

I can't tell what state you're from since it's not in your description or your post, but here in NC there are a number of state officials that are elected, such as the Department of Insurance Commissioner, Department of Labor Commissioner, and the Department of Agriculture Commissioner. Just to name three. There are also a number that are appointed by the governor, such as the Secretary of Department of Transportation and the Secretary of the Department of Public Safety.

So, it depends on which department you're talking about as to how the department head gets their job, either elected statewide, or appointed by the governor.

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I live in Virginia. We only vote for Governor, Lt. Governor, and Attorney General other than our state-level representatives. The current Secretary of Commerce and Trade was appointed by a republican to be Secretary of Agriculture, held over by a democrat and moved to current position. .

backpacker said:

I live in Virginia. We only vote for Governor, Lt. Governor, and Attorney General other than our state-level representatives. The current Secretary of Commerce and Trade was appointed by a republican to be Secretary of Agriculture, held over by a democrat and moved to current position. .

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One of the great things about our Federalist system, is that every state is, and can be, different.