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Protesters storm NYU over conservative speaker’s seminar

OK, I don't see anything that is inherently irrational about protest, and it can be done is a calm, coherent manner as well. And even if people are upset or heated about certain events, it doesn't mean the protest is some chaotic demonstration of screaming incoherence. So perhaps it's a difference in terms.

As rational as a protest itself might be, you're going to get people screaming incoherently in it. And not to mention when it comes to videos, you're going to get a big sampling error. People don't film the calm parts of a protest, they film the bits where their 50 year old professor screams obscenities.

Protest is a time honored right of the people and must be upheld, and engaged in. Coherent protest, "calm" protest, intelligent protest has even greater ability to promote positive change. Violence is generally unacceptable and counter-productive to protest, and if aggregated and proliferated can also cause reaction from government and authority which curtails our access to free exercise of peaceful protest.

Ok, I think we're on the same page, I just don't see how the protests in the video don't constitute your definition of non-violent, rational protesting. As the article says, the 'violence' was either directed at the protestors, or it was by people lighting MAGA hats on fire. Again, people are going to scream incoherently at any large gathering of people (see: football game). Crowd psychology is a pretty well documented phenomenon. I don't think you'll find many protests out there that don't contain at least some level of incoherent babble. Doesn't invalidate the protest itself.
 
Some day soon we won't be allowed to protest even peacefully and politicians will run rough shod over all of us.

That's part of the objective.
 
Maybe it's just me but I'm more concerned with fascist tendencies of the government (y'know, the people in charge and who make decisions) over people expressing their right to protest.

No one has said anything about their right ot protest or suggested that it be taken away. What has been said is that the violence that is occurring needs to end. That shouting down those who believe differently than you do is NOT a valid way of having a discussion. That honest conversation (instead of making unsupported and blatantly false comments like yours) is critical to productive discussions. There have been NO fascist tendencies shown by the government under Pres. Trump, other than what you want to see as such.
 
Did America gain independence through calm rational interaction? Did women achieve the right to vote through calm rational interaction? Did blacks? What about homosexuals right to marry?

Calm, rational interaction is of course the ideal and preferable tool to achieve political progression, but let's not pretend that such progress does not sometimes need real action behind it.

You don't start with violence. You start with intelligent discussions, as the FF's did with GB and as the Civil Rights leaders did. What we are seeing is the worst face of our society being put on display.
 
Liberal activists have turned to violence once again, in an attempt to stifle opinions they disagree with and shut down free speech. We saw this the other night at Berkley and this time it was at NYU.

I guess this is now the new norm for the progressive movement, who seem desperate since Trump was elected to shut down anyone who disagrees with their political views.

Arrest them all.
 
American maintained its independence though rational interaction. How do you think we developed our system of government? Yes, we revolted against British rule, but to create a political system and government that has lasted took a lot of debate. Tempers flared, but in the end it was argument and debate and compromise that drove the development of the US Constitution and the creation of our government. We wouldn't have been able to maintain independence without a proper government to support us.



Was the woman's suffrage movement burning down buildings and rioting? There was violence that was aimed at them, but theirs was a movement of information, public demonstration, and protest that wasn't fundamentally built upon rioting and destruction.



The Civil war to end slavery, or the Civil Rights movement? Civil Rights were advanced through protest, debate, and political discourse. The violence didn't change the laws or the minds of the population, and the violence wasn't always on the part of those protesting, but those "protesting" the protesters. Violence in and of itself isn't going to create structures or change laws or positively influence public opinion for the most part.

Now if you want to revolt, then violence can be used to accomplish that task, but I am under the impression that an actual revolt, wherein we're seeking the overthrow of the government, isn't really the point outside the nutjob anarchists.



Within the system, that's what's going to change things. In fact, the violence will tend to have the opposite effect. People can be mad, and get into heated debates, but rioting and looting isn't going to bring about a solution to a political means, it may even make it harder. And much of the violence in previous political movements wasn't necessary on the side of those leading the protests, but as intimidation against the protesters; to get them to stop protesting.

What's the end goal here. If it's just to be triggered and scream at police, fine. But there's nothing to come from that end. If they seek to influence the system, perhaps slow Trump's roll as it were, or otherwise influence the government, then they need to politic, not riot.

Violence has been used, can be used; but for very specific things through which it is useful and successful. Outside of that, violence tends to be counter-productive.

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Every liberal leader in this country needs to go out in public when these riots start happening and read this verbatim.
 
Here's the root of the problem.... Skip to the 10:20 mark and hear what a college professor has to say at this protest. It's one of the greatest liberal meltdowns i've seen since Trump was sworn in.




Ya know what's funny and sad all the same time? That stupid bitch doesn't even know what a Nazi is. She has no clue that her politics and conduct resembles fascism more than Conservatives.
 
I think the extremes on both sides are starting from places that make reasonable conversation difficult.

You were doing so well and then this...

Show us the extremists on the right that are stopping discussions and the sharing of ideas by the use of any kind of "extremist" tactics....
 
Some day soon we won't be allowed to protest even peacefully and politicians will run rough shod over all of us.

What do you think the Left wants?
 
I am sure when, and if the point ever comes that the President has to get involved, then liberals will lose their mind about that too....It isn't up to Trump to quell anything. It should be those liberal adults like the professor that melted down on the cops in the video I posted that should be turning the heat down. Instead she isn't any better than the spoiled little communists protesting....

We should also be hearing from the leadership on the left denouncing the use of violence to silence ideas. But the silence is deafening...
 
No one has said anything about their right ot protest or suggested that it be taken away. What has been said is that the violence that is occurring needs to end. That shouting down those who believe differently than you do is NOT a valid way of having a discussion. That honest conversation (instead of making unsupported and blatantly false comments like yours) is critical to productive discussions. There have been NO fascist tendencies shown by the government under Pres. Trump, other than what you want to see as such.

I'll agree to disagree with you on that last sentence given what I see as authoritarian and nationalistic moves by our administration.

But for sake of argument, lets say I do agree with you. Would you then admit that the descriptions of liberals as fascist in this thread are also way overblown???

You don't start with violence. You start with intelligent discussions, as the FF's did with GB and as the Civil Rights leaders did. What we are seeing is the worst face of our society being put on display.

The GOP tried intelligent debate to deal with Trump and look where it got them, his nomination.

The Dems (and Hillary) tried intelligent debate against Trump and look where it got them, his presidency.

Intelligent debate and protests are not mutually exclusive. There are still very smart people deciding and discussing in congress how the year should unfold. You seem to be suggesting that that discourse is not happening? In the meantime, the people are doing their thing with the most powerful tool they have left, their voice. By and large, they are not being violent.

lol... I love it when progressives try to downplay the violence their people engage in.

Lol 10 seconds of a video doesn't mean the entire protest was violent. That's completely dishonest of you. You even posted 16 whole minutes of the same protest where there is no real discernable violence at all. That puts us at (just counting video - which as I mentioned earlier, has a sampling bias) at 1% violence. Do try harder next time.
 
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If the liberals in this video are being labelled as fascists (which they are, in this very thread) then by comparison our administration is rife with it.

Did you know that the National Socialists used the police to beat down anyone they disagreed with?
 
Did you know that the National Socialists used the police to beat down anyone they disagreed with?

I thought it was the liberals job to make Nazi comparisons?
 
I thought it was the liberals job to make Nazi comparisons?

That broad wanted the cops to beat down people she disagrees with.
 
That broad wanted the cops to beat down people she disagrees with.

She can want whatever she wants. As long as she doesn't act upon it with violence then she's well within her rights to yell it too. It's called the first amendment bro.
 
Lol 10 seconds of a video doesn't mean the entire protest was violent. That's completely dishonest of you. You even posted 16 whole minutes of the same protest where there is no real discernable violence at all. That puts us at (just counting video - which as I mentioned earlier, has a sampling bias) at 1% violence. Do try harder next time.

So violence that only takes place during part of a protest, is violence you deem to be acceptable?
 
So violence that only takes place during part of a protest, is violence you deem to be acceptable?

What?

The miniscule amount of violence that seems to be taking place (given the size and number of the protests overall) do not define the protests.

I do not condone violence at protests, but I also understand that pockets of violence are an unfortunate and unavoidable side effect of any large gathering (protest, sports game, march etc) due to the nature of people, crowd psychology, and the fact that there are plenty of idiots out there.
 
What?

The miniscule amount of violence that seems to be taking place (given the size and number of the protests overall) do not define the protests.

I do not condone violence at protests, but I also understand that pockets of violence are an unfortunate and unavoidable side effect of any large gathering (protest, sports game, march etc) due to the nature of people, crowd psychology, and the fact that there are plenty of idiots out there.

the protest was stupid to begin with

a republican group was meeting inside bothering no one and these liberal fascit snowflakes are rioting in the street out side

why?

just to prevent others from having the freedom to assemble peacefully
 
She can want whatever she wants. As long as she doesn't act upon it with violence then she's well within her rights to yell it too. It's called the first amendment bro.

The protestors are shutting down decent, the same way the Sturmaßteilung did. Ernst Röhm was protecting LGBT rights, too.
 
the protest was stupid to begin with

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That's a professor.

LOL, would you want your kid taking classes from such an emotional trainwreck and irrational bitch?
 
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