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January jobs report crushes expectations: 227,000 added

Huh? I have no idea what you're talking about. You have commented on the U-6 every month...but not this month. shy not?

As for the date on reentrents, the beginning date was arbitrary...last 5 years to show the current trend. I'm not comparing any two points and longer or shorter matters not as long as it shows what the current trend is.


No, Discouraged went up 106,000 in January.

I just find it amusing that you no longer seem to care about the U-6 or discouraged now that Trump is in office.

Since the report just came out I haven't had a chance to even report it. Do you think the employment and unemployment numbers this month are a reflection on Obama or Trump's economic direction?
 
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Please explain to me and all of us why this incredible Obama economy didn't resonate in the Congressional elections?
 
Huh? I have no idea what you're talking about. You have commented on the U-6 every month...but not this month. shy not?

As for the date on reentrents, the beginning date was arbitrary...last 5 years to show the current trend. I'm not comparing any two points and longer or shorter matters not as long as it shows what the current trend is.


No, Discouraged went up 106,000 in January.

I just find it amusing that you no longer seem to care about the U-6 or discouraged now that Trump is in office.

You are right, I was looking at December not January and the U-6 is 9.4% which remains a full point more than November 2007 right before the recession started. Now your point?
 
Please explain to me and all of us why this incredible Obama economy didn't resonate in the Congressional elections?
That's a good questionb and a Terrible NONrebuttal/strawman 'anmswer'.
Ganeover.
 
Please explain to me and all of us why this incredible Obama economy didn't resonate in the Congressional elections?

Because Conservatives are liars.
 
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That's a good questionb and a Terrible NONrebuttal/strawman 'anmswer'.
Ganeover.

The game is indeed over, we have a pro growth President in the WH now and Obama is gone, Democrats also do not control the Congress
 
Since the report just came out I haven't had a chance to even report it. Do you think the employment and unemployment numbers this month are a reflection on Obama or Trump's economic direction?

Obama's...Trump hasn't had time to have any effect on the labor market yet.
 
The game is indeed over, we have a pro growth President in the WH now and Obama is gone, Democrats also do not control the Congress
IOW, you have NO real factual reply to THE TOPIC, just "we won".
Which will obviously be your Waste-of-bandwidth, hyper-partisan, NONanswer for 4 years hence.
 
I think he meant from election day, and yes, that is how investment works. Companies plan investment months and years in advance based on how well they believe they can forecast the business climate in the future. Regardless of of helpful or hurtful any individual Obama program might have been for business, his most damaging behavior to business was his unpredictability.
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I'm sorry, but... Obama was fairly cautious, and often telegraphed moves months in advance.

In contrast, Trump is highly unpredictable, easily provoked, and changes his mind thrice daily. He's already split the White House into at least three warring camps (Bannon/Miller; Kushner; Priebus), any of whom can prevail at a given moment. He makes policy decisions based on getting mad over a CNN or Fox News piece. Businesses don't know what his tax cuts will be like, if he will levy a tariff or a border tax, if he will rip up NAFTA because Carlos Slim insulted him via Twitter, if he's going to insult Li Keqiang or Xi Jinping during a phone call.....

Or, with health insurance, no one knows what the heck is going on. Repeal? Repeal and replace? Now we're onto "repair?" Years of protests, no replacement plans, vague promises that can't be fulfilled, no one knows what to expect next.


Nobody in the business world could really predict the size of the shadow that the government would cast over their business, or what exemptions might be granted to their competitors from various onerous government taxes or regulations.
Of course they could, that's what lobbyists are for.

And unlike Trump so far, some elements -- like rule changes, or setting up the Consumer Protection Bureau -- can take years, and often involved bringing key players into discussions. Trump can't even trust his own office, which leads to secretive drafting of EOs that are ineptly dropped on agencies like an anvil.


As such they turtled more than they invested. There is a huge amount of cash that the private sector is currently sitting on because they didn't know how to invest.
....no, they were sitting on their cash because we just went through the worst economic downturn in over 80 years. Plus, credit has been dirt cheap for the past ~5-6 years, so they've had little reason to spend their own cash. In fact, lots of companies have borrowed in order to buy back stock. They viewed credit as a better mechanism to do this than capital.


Trump is seen as being friendlier to business than Hillary Clinton or Obama... a difference that was applauded by the left, and really still is, so it should come as no surprise that a lot of businesses not directly connected to global warming mitigation schemes are more positive about their future and investing based on it.
Yes, he's friendlier. Except to retail, which is worried that they're going to get smacked by higher prices on all those cheap imported goods they sell. Or the auto industry, which imports a ton of parts from Mexico. Or electronics, since almost everything is now made in Asia (China), whom Trump has already riled. Or aerospace, which is a heavy export industry, which could lose lots of business to foreign competitors if Trump continues to run headlong into a trade war. Or agriculture, which exports huge amounts of food to Mexico, and imports from all over the world. Or oil, since tariffs or border taxes could increase the costs to refiners. Or....

Not to mention that politics has become a minefield. E.g. Kalanick has withdrawn from some Trump business panel, because Uber didn't blockade the airport protests, which riled up unknown thousands to quit Uber. Staying neutral is becoming increasingly difficult, because anyone anywhere can become somebody's target.

Businesses like the idea of tax cuts (duh), but are less enamored of the rest of Trump's baggage.
 
IOW, you have NO real factual reply to THE TOPIC, just "we won".
Which will obviously be your Waste-of-bandwidth, hyper-partisan, NONanswer for 4 years hence.

What exactly is the purpose of your response. I asked a specific question and this is what i get? You don't have the answer because the public isn't seeing and didn't see the benefits of those jobs created or reported to have been created
 
Obama's...Trump hasn't had time to have any effect on the labor market yet.

Really? so it was a thank you to Obama for his incredible economic performance? You are smarter than this. it was a reaction to the Trump Presidency and the expectations of a pro growth economic policy. Trump has already impacted the labor markets with his meetings with Labor, US and Foreign business leaders and his focus on reducing Federal spending and size. To credit Obama is total and complete partisanship and ignorance
 
The "Trump economy" really will not begin for another four to six months...

The economy is as much about attitude and emotion as it is about fundamentals and policies. Companies are feeing good about the direction Trump is going to take the country and the prospects of strong economic growth and job creation which is why the stock market is exploding and companies are re evaluating future plans for growth. The Trump economy began when the electorate sent the message to the American people, the Obama malaise is over and it is time for new direction and positive growth.

your shortsighted view of the economy is noted and biased
 
Wrong!! try again!! You did learn what Congress consists of, didn't you?

Sorry, they never did. Unless they did. Whatever is most convenient for your political opinion, which is what you will go with anyway.
 
What exactly is the purpose of your response. I asked a specific question and this is what i get? You don't have the answer because the public isn't seeing and didn't see the benefits of those jobs created or reported to have been created
No, you went OFF Topic because you had NO counter Facts..
It's like me Stating any FACT, and you asking why 51% of the population doesn't agree.
Understand?
It's a fallacious NONANSWER strawman.
Your job is to refute the fact, not post a poll as an 'answer'.
Ironically, in this case, Trump is President, but he didn't even win a Majority of the votes!

The Game is indeed Over, it's just you may Never realize it/admit it. Or rather try Disingenuous BS argumentation.

ie.
mbig: "Broccoli is good for you".
Conservative: "Then how come so many people don't like Broccoli"? ("then why did the democrats lose")

The FALLACY in question:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum

In argumentation theory, an argumentum ad populum (Latin for "appeal to the people") is a Fallacious argument that concludes that a proposition is true because many or most people believe it: "If many believe so, it is so."

Understand now?
This is PAINFUL for the logical.
Gameover pt 217.
 
The economy is as much about attitude and emotion as it is about fundamentals and policies. Companies are feeing good about the direction Trump is going to take the country and the prospects of strong economic growth and job creation which is why the stock market is exploding and companies are re evaluating future plans for growth. The Trump economy began when the electorate sent the message to the American people, the Obama malaise is over and it is time for new direction and positive growth.

your shortsighted view of the economy is noted and biased

:funny

Frankly I am a little concerned about you Con. All this spinning you are doing is bound to make one dizzy. A dizzy older guy is a fall risk. Falls can be dangerous. I would hate to see you get hurt.
 
Sorry, they never did. Unless they did. Whatever is most convenient for your political opinion, which is what you will go with anyway.

You just cannot admit that you are wrong on any subject, can you?
 
No, you went OFF Topic because you had NO counter Facts..
It's like me Stating any FACT, and you asking why 51% of the population doesn't agree.
Understand?
It's a fallacious NONANSWER strawman.
Your job is to refute the fact, not post a poll as an 'answer'.
Ironically, in this case, Trump is President, but he didn't even win a Majority of the votes!

The Game is indeed Over, it's just you may Never realize it/admit it. Or rather try Disingenuous BS argumentation.

ie.
mbig: "Broccoli is good for you".
Conservative: "Then how come so many people don't like Broccoli"? ("then why did the democrats lose")

The FALLACY in question:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum

In argumentation theory, an argumentum ad populum (Latin for "appeal to the people") is a Fallacious argument that concludes that a proposition is true because many or most people believe it: "If many believe so, it is so."

Understand now?
This is PAINFUL for the logical.
Gameover pt 217.

The Majority of the votes does not elect the President but does elect the Congress which is the real issue not the drummed up one about the Presidency. The Obama policies were on the ballot in the Congressional election and those policies lost.
 
Really? so it was a thank you to Obama for his incredible economic performance?
No, it was just a continuation of job growth. I don't tend to attribute labor market changes to any president.
it was a reaction to the Trump Presidency and the expectations of a pro growth economic policy. Trump has already impacted the labor markets with his meetings with Labor, US and Foreign business leaders and his focus on reducing Federal spending and size.
The change was +227,000 You are claiming it was that high only due to Trump?

Then what caused the gains of +237,000 in Feb 2016, +224,000 in March 2016, +297,000 in June, +291,000 in July, and +247,000 in September? And that was just 2016. There were higher gains in 2015.

So I'm puzzled why a slightly higher than recent months but not particularly large increase is a sign of Trump's greatness?

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it will be interesting to watch supporter / debunker activity in these threads going forward.
Really? I think it'll be quite predictable. :)
So I'm puzzled why a slightly higher than recent months but not particularly large increase is a sign of Trump's greatness?
I'm assuming you've posted with him often enough for your comment to be merely rhetorical. I don't think you're that puzzled by his position at all. ;)
 
:funny

Frankly I am a little concerned about you Con. All this spinning you are doing is bound to make one dizzy. A dizzy older guy is a fall risk. Falls can be dangerous. I would hate to see you get hurt.

For someone who claims to be a business owner I find it interesting how you seem to react short term on every issue. You totally ignore that most businesses, probably not yours are in for the long haul and are going to make business moves based upon how they see the future and most are predicting a bright future. If businesses thought that trump was going to give us four more years of Obamanomics you wouldn't be seeing the response today like we are seeing in the job market and business community.

Your comments show me a lot about your business acumen
 
Yep magically Trump being elected just brought about those jobs right? I mean, it couldn't possibly be a continuation of the growing jobs already in place with Obama.....nope that can't be it, it's magically Trump.

Yes, it's hilarious. And do you remember how the great recession was being called "The Obama Recession" in November 2008, before Obama had even taken office?

"The Obama recession is in full swing, ladies and gentlemen. Stocks are dying, which is a precursor of things to come. This is an Obama recession. Might turn into a depression."
-Rush Limbaugh
 
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