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You have to be Christian to truly be American? Many people in the U.S. say so.

HAHAHA as a christian myself I have never heard that and anybody that honestly feels that way is a complete moron. Oh yeah, they are also 100% wrong.
 
In order to be a true American, you have to embrace this:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Specific religious beliefs have absolutely nothing to do with being an American.
 
No surprise there...Christians are amongst the stupidest people I have ever known.

Your average Christian in America is none too bright, none too rich and none too powerful (with exceptions).

You have to be pretty brainless, imo, to believe in such jiberish as the God club nonsense...that goes for all major religions.

And the Bible is full of ****... for instance, it is okay (according to the Bible) to own slaves and beat them almost to death...just so long as they recover in a few days.

Exodus 21:21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.

The Bible is brainless twaddle...leap of faith garbage. Anyone that buys that **** is as dense as a whale omelette and/or as desperate as a jonseing drug addict or as gullible as an Obamabot/Trumpbot.
Unfortunately, that encompasses about 2/3 of Americans (it seems)...no wonder the country is so screwed up.
 
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tres borrachos said:
Well I'm in trouble. We don't practice any religion here, including Christianity. My husband is a recovering Catholic and I wasn't raised anything. We respect it, but don't practice or live by it. I guess I'm not American.
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Whether a Fallen Christian or a Never Was you are still affected by the Judeo-Christian culture and values that America was founded on

most immigrants during the first 200 years were Christians or Jews and belief in God influenced this countries development

Now the country is changing and we have more muslims, hindu's and Never Was's

As long as they remain tolerant of the Christian tradition which is to say remain loyal to America I think we can make it work
 
DA60 said:
No surprise there...Christians are amongst the stupidest people I have ever known.

Your average Christian in America is none too bright, none too rich and none too powerful (with exceptions).

You have to be pretty brainless, imo, to believe in such jiberish as the God club nonsense...that goes for all major religions.

And the Bible is full of ****...it is okay (according to the Bible) to own slaves and beat them to death - so long as they don't die for a few days.

The Bible is brainless twaddle...leap of faith garbage.
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You are getting worked about the wrong religion. In my opinion a true Christian is a beautiful thing, and it is not easy. I couldn't do it on my best day.
 
tres borrachos said:
If I didn't know better I'd swear you were my husband. That's exactly what he says.
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My dad explained it all to me when I was in grade school. In his day, if someone had 3 daughters, they sent the smart one to college, the pretty one got married, and the stupid ugly one got sent to the nunnery...
 
beefheart said:
My dad explained it all to me when I was in grade school. In his day, if someone had 3 daughters, they sent the smart one to college, the pretty one got married, and the stupid ugly one got sent to the nunnery...
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Funny, all I remember my Dad saying is...'son, I am leaving your mother - can you spot me $50 bucks? I'll pay you after the Daily Double tomorrow...promise?'

;)
 
Mac77 said:
Whether a Fallen Christian or a Never Was you are still affected by the Judeo-Christian culture and values that America was founded on

most immigrants during the first 200 years were Christians or Jews and belief in God influenced this countries development

Now the country is changing and we have more muslims, hindu's and Never Was's

As long as they remain tolerant of the Christian tradition which is to say remain loyal to America I think we can make it work
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Christian tradition? The Christians who first settled here were very often escaping the intolerance of other Christians in England. The founders, many of whom were Deists, and not Christians, wisely did not want to repeat past errors that occurred in England. Read "The Age of Reason" by Thomas Paine. Certainly he was a true American.

http://www.deism.com/images/theageofreason1794.pdf
 
Common Sense 1 said:
They should have beat you a little more and knocked some sense into you! :doh
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Aside from your personal attack....after attending catholic school from k-12, I learned to be an independent thinker, and to use logic and reason.

Which is why I don't belong, nor want to belong to any religion.
 
DA60 said:
Funny, all I remember my Dad saying is...'son, I am leaving your mother - can you spot me $50 bucks? I'll pay you after the Daily Double tomorrow...promise?'

;)
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I was one of many kids in my school that were living refutations of the rhythm method.
 
coldjoint said:
You are getting worked about the wrong religion. In my opinion a true Christian is a beautiful thing, and it is not easy. I couldn't do it on my best day.
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I am not worked up because it saddens me to see people fall for such utter idiocy. To believe in a God that bans you to eternal damnation simply if you don't take him as your personal savior but Hitler on his deathbed can get into Heaven just by asking for forgiveness of his sins...anyone that believes that nonsense is probably so dense/gullible that they would make a used car salesman salivate.

So you think those brainless idiots that stand up on Sunday tv shows and let these rip off artists pretend to cure their ails are beautiful? You think some ding dong that blindly takes some God as their whatever even though there is zero proof that he ever existed is beautiful?
Each to their own.

Ignorance is bliss after all. And many Christians are full of that alright.
 
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tres borrachos said:
Well I'm in trouble. We don't practice any religion here, including Christianity. My husband is a recovering Catholic and I wasn't raised anything. We respect it, but don't practice or live by it. I guess I'm not American.
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I have read that New England is the least religious region of America. Why not drop the New and become part of England again?

Regards to your husband from another recovering Catholic. One day at a time, as they say in AA.
 
Mac77 said:
Whether a Fallen Christian or a Never Was you are still affected by the Judeo-Christian culture and values that America was founded on

most immigrants during the first 200 years were Christians or Jews and belief in God influenced this countries development

Now the country is changing and we have more muslims, hindu's and Never Was's

As long as they remain tolerant of the Christian tradition which is to say remain loyal to America I think we can make it work
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I don't mind the Muslims, Hindus, Never Was people, Buddhists, Quiverfulls, Mormons, Seventh Day Adventists, Scientologists, Wiccas and so on. Everyone should have the right to practice their religion.

This country was also founded on the cultural belief that blacks weren't full and free people, Indians were pagans and it was God's will that they succumbed to English diseases, and women didn't deserve the right to vote or own property. Luckily we've evolved.
 
DA60 said:
I am not worked up as much as too busy rolling my eyes...anyone that believes in some dumbass God that bans you to eternal damnation simply if you don't take him as your personal savior but Hitler on his deathbed can get into Heaven just by asking for forgiveness of his sins...anyone that believes that nonsense is probably so dense/gullible that they would make a used car salesman salivate.

So you think those brainless idiots that stand up on Sunday tv shows and let these rip off artists cure their ails are beautiful? You think some ding dong that blindly takes some God as their whatever even though there is zero proof that he ever existed is beautiful?
Each to their own.

Ignorance is bliss after all. And many Christians are full of that alright.
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You are putting words in my mouth. I said none of those things. I did not name anyone, or give any examples.
 
Sweden said:
I have read that New England is the least religious region of America. Why not drop the New and become part of England again?

Regards to your husband from another recovering Catholic. One day at a time, as they say in AA.
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Because they have little religion in England? The Church of England would probably disagree with that.

Almost all of our friends go to church here. Most to Congregational and Presbyterian churches. I haven't seen evidence that it's not very religious up here.
 
Somerville said:
Denial ain't just a river in Egypt. Please try to stick with the topic of this thread. This thread has NOTHING to do with immigration. The Pew research finds that approximately one third of Americans believe a person can't be American if they aren't Christian - not talking about immigrants, wetbacks, towel heads, etc etc. Just talking about Americans and how their religious views affect their relationship with other Americans. The survey also compares American views on religion and its relationship to how a populace views their fellow citizens with those of other nations.

Forget Obama, forget immigration - this is about religion. Is a person born in the United States but who is not a Christian seen by you as an American? Is a pagan believer an American? Is an Orthodox Jew and American? Is a Sikh an American? how about Buddhists, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Wiccans?
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Sounds like wording games with the questions to achieve 43% of Republicans saying you have to be a Christian to be American. :roll:
 
tres borrachos said:
I don't mind the Muslims, Hindus, Never Was people, Buddhists, Quiverfulls, Mormons, Seventh Day Adventists, Scientologists, Wiccas and so on. Everyone should have the right to practice their religion.

This country was also founded on the cultural belief that blacks weren't full and free people, Indians were pagans and it was God's will that they succumbed to English diseases, and women didn't deserve the right to vote or own property. Luckily we've evolved.
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And it was Christians who led the fight against those ideas
 
Mac77 said:
And it was Christians who led the fight against those ideas
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The Puritans were Christians. They're the ones who believed that Indians died because God wanted the English immigrants to have their land because they were heathens. And they also believed women to be second class citizens not worthy of a vote or the right to own property. They also owned slaves, both blacks from the Islands (including Barbados) and Indian women and children, after they massacred their men. So no, they didn't fight it.
 
tres borrachos said:
The Puritans were Christians. They're the ones who believed that Indians died because God wanted the English immigrants to have their land because they were heathens. And they also believed women to be second class citizens not worthy of a vote or the right to own property. They also owned slaves, both blacks from the Islands (including Barbados) and Indian women and children, after they massacred their men. So no, they didn't fight it.
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Ok

But later Christians guided by God's hand thought differently
 
tres borrachos said:
Well I'm in trouble. We don't practice any religion here, including Christianity. My husband is a recovering Catholic and I wasn't raised anything. We respect it, but don't practice or live by it. I guess I'm not American.
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I'm recovering as well.
 
tres borrachos said:
The Puritans were Christians. They're the ones who believed that Indians died because God wanted the English immigrants to have their land because they were heathens. And they also believed women to be second class citizens not worthy of a vote or the right to own property. They also owned slaves, both blacks from the Islands (including Barbados) and Indian women and children, after they massacred their men. So no, they didn't fight it.
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Mac is apparently relying on Alt. facts for his argument.
 
Mac77 said:
Ok

But later Christians guided by God's hand thought differently
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Which one would those be? Ooops sorry. I see that you already answered my question - sort of. Now could you tell us WHICH Christians were "guided by God's hand" as history informs us that there was some disagreement between groups which called themselves Christian? Only occasionally during the past 300 years but still . . .
 
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