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Violent protests force cancellation of speech by Breitbart's Milo Yiannopoulos[W:497]

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bluesmoke said:
This is insane. Let the human speak. Give yourselves a chance to respond without going ape **** before you do. What in the Constitution disallows these others from speaking on the very grounds that our society has provided you to learn?
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There are a number of laws that can limit free speech - Disturbing the Peace, Purposeful Efforts to Incitement of a Riot, and certain Conspiracy laws. Historically, they have come up thoughout US history, and in courts throughout our land, and rulings often go either way. Here is a quote from a lawyer.

In some situations what you say can qualify as disturbing the peace. Though the Constitution protects your freedom of speech, courts have long recognized some limitations to this freedom. You can commit a breach of the peace, for example, by making threats. However, the threats must be more than idle chatter or even arguments. The threat must threaten serious injury and be of a nature that would cause fear of an injury in an average listener. You must also issue the threat while acting recklessly and in a way that shows you intend to commit violence or follow through on the threat.

This well-spoken woman described speech that makes her campus unsafe for women, and especially minority women. It's important that we keep our society safe for the most physically disadvantaged person to walk through a college campus or on our public streets. As such, when dealing with some of the recent rhetoric and bigotry, with an ultimate goal of genocide, I believe it's time to start shifting these grey areas slightly the other way. Law enforcement has done this for years (Rodney King, etc.), and it can go both ways.
 
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Media_Truth said:
This well-spoken woman described speech that makes her campus unsafe for women, and especially minority women.
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How did Milo's speech make U.C. Berkeley unsafe for women? Maybe the protesters should be banned, since they seem to be the ones causing the trouble. "Unlawful assembly."
 
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Media_Truth said:
There are a number of laws that can limit free speech - Disturbing the Peace, Purposeful Efforts to Incitement of a Riot, and certain Conspiracy laws. Historically, they have come up thoughout US history, and in courts throughout our land, and rulings often go either way. Here is a quote from a lawyer.

In some situations what you say can qualify as disturbing the peace. Though the Constitution protects your freedom of speech, courts have long recognized some limitations to this freedom. You can commit a breach of the peace, for example, by making threats. However, the threats must be more than idle chatter or even arguments. The threat must threaten serious injury and be of a nature that would cause fear of an injury in an average listener. You must also issue the threat while acting recklessly and in a way that shows you intend to commit violence or follow through on the threat.

This well-spoken woman described speech that makes her campus unsafe for women, and especially minority women. It's important that we keep our society safe for the most physically disadvantaged person to walk through a college campus or on our public streets. As such, when dealing with some of the recent rhetoric and bigotry, with an ultimate goal of genocide, I believe it's time to start shifting these grey areas slightly the other way. Law enforcement has done this for years (Rodney King, etc.), and it can go both ways.
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"In some situations what you say can qualify as disturbing the peace." Does it qualify in the situation I am discussing?
 
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Nap said:
So because she simply believes he is somehow trying to recruit people to commit genocide (which to my knowledge he has never done) it is perfectly fine to destroy public property and assault innocent people?

It ultimately depends on the situation your example describes. The Supreme Court has already ruled on a similar case involving the KKK. He is protected and free to say that except where such advocacy is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action. If he were doing that with say a group of armed men around him, then that would be illegal. If he is some random guy and is not attacking anyone then legally he is protected.
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I checked back on my post, and I didn't use the word "genocide". Your arguments would better served, if you didn't put words in people's mouths.
 
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Ahlevah said:
How did Milo's speech make U.C. Berkeley unsafe for women? Maybe the protesters should be banned, since they seem to be the ones causing the trouble. "Unlawful assembly."
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I don't think one will deny that his speech can make the University unsafe for Muslim women. Can we agree on that? For other women, it's not as blatant, but it can be. Many women wear scarves, and can be misinterpreted to be Muslim women, especially at night. Also, Milo's speech is very much against career women, women in the military, female speakers, etc. A woman who is known to espouse equality for women could be targeted, because of his narrative. In general, a woman is vulnerable against a strong man. To further expose these vulnerabilities is irresponsible and wreckless.
 
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Media_Truth said:
I checked back on my post, and I didn't use the word "genocide". Your arguments would better served, if you didn't put words in people's mouths.
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When did I put words into anyone's mouth? She clearly stated she believed in some lunatic conspiracy that Milo was trying to recruit people to commit genocide.....
 
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Media_Truth said:
I don't think one will deny that his speech can make the University unsafe for Muslim women. Can we agree on that? For other women, it's not as blatant, but it can be. Many women wear scarves, and can be misinterpreted to be Muslim women, especially at night. Also, Milo's speech is very much against career women, women in the military, female speakers, etc. A woman who is known to espouse equality for women could be targeted, because of his narrative. In general, a woman is vulnerable against a strong man. To further expose these vulnerabilities is irresponsible and wreckless.
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Why do you believe Milo's speeches would make it unsafe for any women much less a muslim woman? The only one that is inciting violence and attacking innocent women are the Antifa people.......
 
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Media_Truth said:
I don't think one will deny that his speech can make the University unsafe for Muslim women. Can we agree on that? For other women, it's not as blatant, but it can be.
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I would agree that speech that incites violence or protests that become violent should be declared unlawful. From what I've seen of Milo's speeches, he argues that Islam is a threat to Western values, including how women are treated, so why would countries such as the U.S. want to import more Muslims? Seems like a perfectly reasonable topic for debate. I've never seem him advocate violence against women or Muslims. If you can show me where he has, I'd certainly appreciate it. On the other hand, the organizer of the Berkeley protests supported violence to prevent Milo from speaking, so if you're going to ban anything, how about banning her and her anarchist criminal compatriots who were beating people and destroying property?
 
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bluesmoke said:
This is insane. Let the human speak. Give yourselves a chance to respond without going ape **** before you do. What in the Constitution disallows these others from speaking on the very grounds that our society has provided you to learn?
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Screw him. He's not an American citizen or resident. Send his whiny ass back to where he came from.
 
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Nap said:
Why do you believe Milo's speeches would make it unsafe for any women much less a muslim woman? The only one that is inciting violence and attacking innocent women are the Antifa people.......
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I just stated "Why", and you ask "why"?
 
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Media_Truth said:
I just stated "Why", and you ask "why"?
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I was asking why you believe that.

You said he was against equality for women but I have seen several of his speeches where he clearly states he is for equality of women but is against feminism. I'm not saying I agree with him but he does bring valid arguments, rather then trying to silence him people should simply debate him and prove his arguments are false.

Also, I have yet to hear him encourage violence in any way. You say his speeches make the campus unsafe, but then you turn around and agree with that woman on Tucker Carlson who actually encouraged violence and started a riot that actually assaulted women. It is pretty clear that it wasn't Milo that made the UC Berkeley campus unsafe, it was that woman and the Antifa people.
 
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calamity said:
Screw him. He's not an American citizen or resident. Send his whiny ass back to where he came from.
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Are you saying whomever meets your criteria should not be allowed to give a speech here in America?
 
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Nap said:
I was asking why you believe that.

You said he was against equality for women but I have seen several of his speeches where he clearly states he is for equality of women but is against feminism. I'm not saying I agree with him but he does bring valid arguments, rather then trying to silence him people should simply debate him and prove his arguments are false.

Also, I have yet to hear him encourage violence in any way. You say his speeches make the campus unsafe, but then you turn around and agree with that woman on Tucker Carlson who actually encouraged violence and started a riot that actually assaulted women. It is pretty clear that it wasn't Milo that made the UC Berkeley campus unsafe, it was that woman and the Antifa people.
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And this was my response:

I don't think one will deny that his speech can make the University unsafe for Muslim women. Can we agree on that? For other women, it's not as blatant, but it can be. Many women wear scarves, and can be misinterpreted to be Muslim women, especially at night. Also, Milo's speech is very much against career women, women in the military, female speakers, etc. A woman who is known to espouse equality for women could be targeted, because of his narrative. In general, a woman is vulnerable against a strong man. To further expose these vulnerabilities is irresponsible and wreckless.
 
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Media_Truth said:
And this was my response:

I don't think one will deny that his speech can make the University unsafe for Muslim women. Can we agree on that? For other women, it's not as blatant, but it can be. Many women wear scarves, and can be misinterpreted to be Muslim women, especially at night. Also, Milo's speech is very much against career women, women in the military, female speakers, etc. A woman who is known to espouse equality for women could be targeted, because of his narrative. In general, a woman is vulnerable against a strong man. To further expose these vulnerabilities is irresponsible and wreckless.
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What has he said that makes you believe that?
 
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bluesmoke said:
This is insane. Let the human speak. Give yourselves a chance to respond without going ape **** before you do. What in the Constitution disallows these others from speaking on the very grounds that our society has provided you to learn?
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What happened to your ardent support and defense of Milo?
 
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RickJames3000 said:
What happened to your ardent support and defense of Milo?
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It's not a support of Milo, it's in support of free speech. Milo is distasteful and detestable.

If we don't let people speak their mind, we won't know what people are thinking and thus what may be going on or about to go on, nor to get out and respond so that others can hear another view and learn by it all. It fosters all sorts of education for everyone that is willing to listen and pay attention.
 
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bluesmoke said:
It's not a support of Milo, it's in support of free speech. Milo is distasteful and detestable.

If we don't let people speak their mind, we won't know what people are thinking and thus what may be going on or about to go on, nor to get out and respond so that others can hear another view and learn by it all. It fosters all sorts of education for everyone that is willing to listen and pay attention.
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Agreed.
 
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