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Detroit family caught in Iraq travel ban, mom dies waiting to come home

Verax said:
Detroit family caught in Iraq travel ban, mom dies waiting for approval to come home | WJBK

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Congratulations Trump, you're making us SO much safer. I bet this refugee and veteran is feeling REALLY safe right now. Or does he and what's left of his family not deserve it? I'd reckon he has probably given more than most natural born Americans have for this country and we spit on him in return. Well done! :applaud
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I smell a rat.

"As they were waiting in line at the airport in Iraq on Friday, he was told that he could pass through because he was a U.S. citizen."

"Passengers were barred from flights to the United States, customs and border control officials got instructions at 3 a.m. Saturday and some arrived at their posts later that morning still not knowing how to carry out the president’s orders." https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/29/us/politics/donald-trump-rush-immigration-order-chaos.html?_r=0

Lets see...it is 0920 Feb. 1 in Iraq as I write this. Eleven hours ahead of Pacific time, eight hours ahead of Eastern/Washington D.C./New York time. So If the order got to customs on Saturday at 3AM, it would have been 11AM Saturday in Iraq. I am never very good at these time zone changes but are they on a different calendar in Iraq? It does not seem to me that his travel on Friday would have been effected by an EO that got to U.S. customs officials at 3AM Saturday. Now, when he says "Friday," is the article referring to New York time, even though it is Saturday in Iraq? "...in Iraq on Friday" seems to me to clearly define the time and place. There are many reports of individuals being detained in U.S. airports, but I am not aware that they were being detained at their point of departure, especially that early in the process. Lets assume the order was actually signed when Trump gets up to tweet at 0500 and was efficiently sent to a third world country in the midst of a war. It still doesn't get to Iraq customs until at least 1 PM local time Friday, 14 hours ahead of the folks at La Guardia down the road.

I do know a little more about medical issues and travel and I am quite sure that an individual within one day of death is not going to be flying on a commercial airline. Perhaps air ambulance, but not commercial. If she didn't die in Iraq, she surely would have died in the relative low oxygen environment of a long stressful airplane ride. Commercial air carriers generally frown on this.

This makes me wonder how much, if any, of this story is true and how much of it is pure shameless opportunism. I don't mean to be callus. I sympathize with Mr. Hager's loss. He otherwise sounds like a true hero.
 
Have medical experts familiar with this woman's condition offered opinions about how much longer she would likely have lived, but for the order? Has anyone offered evidence that entering the U.S. was something she intensely desired in the last days of her life?
 
PoS said:
We invaded Iraq based on a lie about them having WMDs, now we're abandoning it...
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beefheart said:
Well, she was obviously a terrorist...and we all are so much safer...:roll:
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MaggieD said:
We always hope things like this won't happen. Unintended consequences are often heartbreaking.
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NIMBY said:
trump said Iraq-2 was based on a lie--which is it ?
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Before we get too far ahead of ourselves, let's consider what condition the elderly mom was in before her son decided to drag her on a plane;

Hager, his niece, and two nephews were traveling with his 75-year-old mother, Naimma, home to Michigan. They traveled to Iraq to visit family and when she fell ill. I was just shocked. I had to put my mom back on the wheelchair and take her back and call the ambulance and she was very very upset.
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The poor woman was 75 years old, in a wheelchair, and her son was dragging her around the world to travel. This has been truth at all cost, thank you.
 
If the report is accurate, that is a very sad story and I feel for the family involved.

coldjoint said:
You can't make an omelet without breaking some eggs.
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Absolutely despicable comment.
 
Verax said:
Detroit family caught in Iraq travel ban, mom dies waiting for approval to come home | WJBK

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Congratulations Trump, you're making us SO much safer. I bet this refugee and veteran is feeling REALLY safe right now. Or does he and what's left of his family not deserve it? I'd reckon he has probably given more than most natural born Americans have for this country and we spit on him in return. Well done! :applaud
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I call bull****. If she was sick, she shouldn't have flown anyways. Reality is, she was dead before she even got on that plane. She died one day later after denial and that tells me a 12 hour flight would have resulted in the same.
 
PoS said:
We invaded Iraq based on a lie about them having WMDs, now we're abandoning it...
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Ok, so you wanted to stay involved in Iraq? Because everyone I know who opposed the war said we should leave them alone.
 
NIMBY said:
What the hell does common courtesy and the worm turns have to do with a sick Mother?

Do you know why she was traveling? Who are you to sit in judgement of people like trump does?

GOP lawmakers are furious about the green card ****ups of Bannon and Miller.

Notice how smooth tonight went with the Gorsuch rollout when trump goes through his GOP congress .
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So what is the objection here? The substance of the policy? Or the way it rolled out?
 
PoS said:
We invaded Iraq based on a lie about them having WMDs, now we're abandoning it...
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It's funny how that piece of false fact is stuck in so many hearts and minds. I would have tjought that people would have tried more to understand what really happened at that time and would have looked at things like the previous evidence and the way intelligence analysis works. This has broadly not happened and is part of the weight crushing or at least misguiding our political system at present. It is one of many populistically facile explanations we have integrated thoughtlessly into our political and societal folklore that have far too little grip on factual reality.
 
Verax said:
Detroit family caught in Iraq travel ban, mom dies waiting for approval to come home | WJBK

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Congratulations Trump, you're making us SO much safer. I bet this refugee and veteran is feeling REALLY safe right now. Or does he and what's left of his family not deserve it? I'd reckon he has probably given more than most natural born Americans have for this country and we spit on him in return. Well done! :applaud
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It is always dubious to use anecdotes to argue sociopolitical standpoints. As a matter of fact, when I see this happen, it is like a flashing light of warning. The argument becomes more interesting as a piece of evidence of the writer's ideology, than as one that speaks on the alleged topic. It is like the people talking about the Syrian refugees that participated in European terror incidents to show that Muslims are evil.
 
truthatallcost said:
Before we get too far ahead of ourselves, let's consider what condition the elderly mom was in before her son decided to drag her on a plane;



The poor woman was 75 years old, in a wheelchair, and her son was dragging her around the world to travel. This has been truth at all cost, thank you.
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Yeah, no kidding. It isn't normal practice for airlines to board critically-ill patients on transcontinental flights. The last thing you want is someone who's supposed to be in an ICU in the cabin of an airliner flying over the Atlantic at 38,000 feet. A typical itinerary from Detroit to Baghdad is more than 17 hours, so it seems a bit much to lay this on Trump.
 
Verax said:
Detroit family caught in Iraq travel ban, mom dies waiting for approval to come home | WJBK

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Congratulations Trump, you're making us SO much safer. I bet this refugee and veteran is feeling REALLY safe right now. Or does he and what's left of his family not deserve it? I'd reckon he has probably given more than most natural born Americans have for this country and we spit on him in return. Well done! :applaud
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That link sucks. Couldn't find the story.
 
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Everybody is arguing whether or not it is a BAN. Call it what you want, it is about keeping bad people (with bad intentions) out of country!
 
austrianecon said:
I call bull****. If she was sick, she shouldn't have flown anyways. Reality is, she was dead before she even got on that plane. She died one day later after denial and that tells me a 12 hour flight would have resulted in the same.
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Just curious, where did you get your MD, and what kind of doctor are you?
 
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