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Acting AG fired after she declines to defend Trump travel ban

Excon said:
Wrong as usual.


iLOL
Canning an openly defiant employee is appropriate, not thin skinned.
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The judicial orders are still in place.

trump should be listening to elected officials instead of Bannon/Miller .
 
poweRob said:
Lets review the position of Attorney General and what the job is....

The principal duties of the Attorney General are to: Represent the United States in legal matters. Supervise and direct the administration and operation of the offices, boards, divisions, and bureaus that comprise the Department.​


IMO, Trump fired her because he's throwing an epic tantrum that he can't fire federal judges for having blocked his ban.
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This.
 
poweRob said:
Lets review the position of Attorney General and what the job is....

The principal duties of the Attorney General are to: Represent the United States in legal matters. Supervise and direct the administration and operation of the offices, boards, divisions, and bureaus that comprise the Department.​


IMO, Trump fired her because he's throwing an epic tantrum that he can't fire federal judges for having blocked his ban.
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I like that - "Supervise and direct the administration"....
 
American said:
When you're appointed or not the boss, you have a choice; stay and do as you're told or leave.
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Being the president's rubber stamp lapdog is not the job of the attorney general.
 
Top Cat said:
So let me see if I get this one counselor... you are suggesting she was playing politics because she deemed his act indefensible?

Nevermind she's right. The ban won't stand. That said, will anyone in government be allowed to disagree with his assholeness?
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Yes. That is EXACTLY what she was doing. She is actually obligated to defend or resign:

http://www.law.columbia.edu/sites/default/files/microsites/attorneys-general/zoellerdutytodefend.pdf

But seriously? On what planet can you call a national press conference to say your boss is a jackwitted assh*t and not get the boot?
 
Excon said:
Wrong as usual.


iLOL
Canning an openly defiant employee is appropriate, not thin skinned.
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There's a difference between defiance and integrity. Look em up.
 
poweRob said:
Waaaaiiiit a minute....

The attorney general is supposed to play politics with their position?
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The President issued a legal executive order. She is required to defend legal policy decisions regardless of how she feels about them. She also serves at the pleasure of the President, meaning if she chooses to be insubordinate, she can be fired. What she did was both insubordinate and acting in bad faith.
 
poweRob said:
Being the president's rubber stamp lapdog is not the job of the attorney general.
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You don't go telling people to ignore the Prez's EOs. "Yeah, don't worry about this, Trump is wrong anyway. Ignore it." :lol:
 
NIMBY said:
Which part, Jack Fabulous, that trump asked her to stay on--which is true--or that Sessions is so bad--which is true.

Yates refused to disobey the judicial orders until they're up.

More like Nixon every day, eh Jack ?
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Sessions being"bad" is little more than the posturing of partisans who will do whatever they have to to find something "bad" in everything Trump does or anyone he appoints.
 
TigerJez said:
Yes. That is EXACTLY what she was doing. She is actually obligated to defend or resign:

http://www.law.columbia.edu/sites/default/files/microsites/attorneys-general/zoellerdutytodefend.pdf

But seriously? On what planet can you call a national press conference to say your boss is a jackwitted assh*t and not get the boot?
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I love watching you guys make extreme hyperboles pretending she called trump names and therefore deserves to be fired. None of that happened. Let's stick with the facts and our opinions on them.
 
Top Cat said:
So let me see if I get this one counselor... you are suggesting she was playing politics because she deemed his act indefensible?

Nevermind she's right. The ban won't stand. That said, will anyone in government be allowed to disagree with his assholeness?
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(Sigh) Research might help in the future:

8 U.S. Code § 1182(f) Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President

Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate. Whenever the Attorney General finds that a commercial airline has failed to comply with regulations of the Attorney General relating to requirements of airlines for the detection of fraudulent documents used by passengers traveling to the United States (including the training of personnel in such detection), the Attorney General may suspend the entry of some or all aliens transported to the United States by such airline.
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https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1182

The President was acting under lawful authority when he enacted the TEMPORARY ban.

The AAG was acting as a political hack, in violation of her oath of office to comply with the lawful orders from the Chief Executive of the United States government.

YES, she was rightfully fired. :coffeepap:
 
Nilly said:
Yeah, people should put their morals by the wayside so Trump won't fire them.

:thumbs:
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No, people should not put their morals aside. Never. But if you defy your boss, what do you think is going to happen?
 
TheDemSocialist said:
So this is how you "make America great again".. You just "fire" people until they agree with your small bubble you have surrounded yourself in. #MAGA :2usflag:
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Sir, there's a difference between disagreeing and refusing to do your job.

Not that it matters in this case. Sally served at the will of the President.
 
Captain Adverse said:
(Sigh) Research might help in the future:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1182

The President was acting under lawful authority when he enacted the TEMPORARY ban.

The AAG was acting as a political hack, in violation of her oath of office and insubordination of lawful orders from the Chief Executive of the United States government.
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This will end up with the supremes. Don't kid yourself
 
American said:
You don't go telling people to ignore the Prez's EOs. "Yeah, don't worry about this, Trump is wrong anyway. Ignore it." :lol:
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Um... it's the AG's job to tell the president NO! when they are doing something legally wrong or questionable. Just ask John Ashcroft when he told the Bush administration NO! from a hospital bed when they tried to trick him into signing off on legally questionable stuff while sedated.

Sick Ashcroft pressed to approve domestic spying

That's the AG's job. Like it or not. The petulant child in the whitehouse just can't stand being told NO! on anything so he acts out like the spoiled child he is when someone does.

He can't do that to the justice system though and the justice system will be his downfall because of this.
 
Captain Adverse said:
(Sigh) Research might help in the future:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1182

The President was acting under lawful authority when he enacted the TEMPORARY ban.

The AAG was acting as a political hack, in violation of her oath of office to comply with the lawful orders from the Chief Executive of the United States government.

YES, she was rightfully fired. :coffeepap:
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Top Cat said:
Don't be so daft. She knew this would happen.
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Of COURSE she did. This way she files a lawsuit for wrongful dismissal that's taken up for her by her union and goes on paid administrative leave for a few years while it works it's way through the system.
 
jimbo said:
Sir, there's a difference between disagreeing and refusing to do your job.

Not that it matters in this case. Sally served at the will of the President.
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I believe the word you are looking for is pleasure.
 
MaggieD said:
Of COURSE she did. This way she files a lawsuit for wrongful dismissal that's taken up for her by her union and goes on paid administrative leave for a few years while it works it's way through the system.
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She'll make more on a book deal.
 
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