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Barack Obama breaks silence on Trump presidency to condemn migration ban

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My feelings on the situation is good job Trump.

After the utter disaster they have made of their part of the world the last thing I want is those homicidal idiots in my country. We have too many lunatics here already shooting up schools and whatever. The last thing we need to do is to start importing them wholesale from the Middle East. Terrorism will turn into a daily event just as it is over there.
Just as there will never be peace in the Middle East if we bring them over here I promise you they will do the same thing here. We will need a wall around every state and city. Those people have 10's of thousands of years of fighting bred into them and you cannot fix that overnight.
 
Waddy said:
Obama needs to shut up and go away. Follow his predecessors lead and keep out of it. He had his turn.
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Obama is jealous that trump is actually making the change he promised and couldn't deliver.
 
CMPancake said:
You're right, it's the Democrats fault for the GOP making an ass out of itself. Brilliant.
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How did the GOP make an ass out of itself when Clinton destroyed the class of the White House?

This ought to be good.
 
Mac77 said:
have you never heard of islamic terrorists?

They are in the news all the tiime
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Of course I have. How does that counter my point?
 
The Mark said:
Of course I have. How does that counter my point?
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you say terrorists are not identified by religion and I demonstrated that they are

muslim terrorists are well known and active
 
Mac77 said:
you say terrorists are not identified by religion and I demonstrated that they are

muslim terrorists are well known and active
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No, what you demonstrated is that some terrorists use Islamic extremist ideology as their justification for committing acts of terror.

The point I intended to make was that terrorists are not identified by their religion alone. To be more precise, extreme versions of religion may be part of a terrorist's ideology, what they use to justify their actions. But ALL terrorists, no matter what their ideology, are identified by their use of terror to achieve their political goals. It's why they're called terrorists.

If you focus on the religion, you might miss the real reason they're terrorists - because of the extreme ideology they formed or were taught, which can include religion, but does not always.


I suppose I'm trying to think of this topic from the perspective of identifying people who are members of such ideologies, and both preventing them from performing terrorist acts.


But ideally, if we could somehow prevent people from becoming interested in such things to begin with....we might actually stop terrorism from forming. Not sure that's possible. But to even approach it, we have to understand the where why and how of the recruits that extreme ideologies pull.
Especially the why and how, since the where seems to be almost everywhere - just moreso in some areas.
 
The Mark said:
No, what you demonstrated is that some terrorists use Islamic extremist ideology as their justification for committing acts of terror.

The point I intended to make was that terrorists are not identified by their religion alone.

To be more precise, extreme versions of religion may be part of a terrorist's ideology, what they use to justify their actions. But ALL terrorists, no matter what their ideology, are identified by their use of terror to achieve their political goals. It's why they're called terrorists.

If you focus on the religion, you might miss the real reason they're terrorists - because of the extreme ideology they formed or were taught, which can include religion, but does not always.


I suppose I'm trying to think of this topic from the perspective of identifying people who are members of such ideologies, and both preventing them from performing terrorist acts.


But ideally, if we could somehow prevent people from becoming interested in such things to begin with....we might actually stop terrorism from forming. Not sure that's possible. But to even approach it, we have to understand the where why and how of the recruits that extreme ideologies pull.
Especially the why and how, since the where seems to be almost everywhere - just moreso in some areas.
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I agree with that

The VietCong used terror tactics that were not religiously motivated

But that was 60 years ago

Most true terrorism today is being committed by muslims in the name of allah
 
Absentglare said:
President Trump campaigned on the idea of halting Muslim immigration.

Discriminate: recognize a distinction, differentiate

He definitively differentiated Muslims. There is no question about it, whatsoever.
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There are 1.7 billion Muslims in the world spanning fifty or more countries. Trump's EO covered seven countries. And covered everyone in those seven countries. He did not discriminate or differentiate against Muslims.
 
Mac77 said:
I agree with that

The VietCong used terror tactics that were not religiously motivated

But that was 60 years ago

Most true terrorism today is being committed by muslims in the name of allah
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That's the public relations line, at least.

What I am curious about is the reasons why people join terrorist groups, and how to prevent such.
 
Waddy said:
Obama needs to shut up and go away. Follow his predecessors lead and keep out of it. He had his turn.
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Obama's successor spent five years throwing Obama under the bus to pander to birthers. Screw Trump.
 
The Mark said:
What I am curious about is the reasons why people join terrorist groups, and how to prevent such.
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your guess is as good as mine

But islam seems to attract a lot of men and some women willing to kill and be killed for allah
 
KLATTU said:
Why wouldn't he? He was treated by way too many liberals kike a 13 year old girl treats One Direction.
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And by the media too . :lol:
 
The thread's discourse is schizoid, biased: daily, you take it for granted that the person you are doing capitalism with is a xian, and never ask, though that was an Arab son in the White House, according to the government of Kenya: 'Obama's father was 87.5% Arab, 12.5% African negro.' (Matar, Women in Green, Jerusalem, June 2008). Kenya legally requires the distinguishing of this difference on state identification documents, thus the reader-prisoner may wish to take up the problem with them.

Prior to the Argentine 'Dirty War,' the borders were sealed off so that prisoners could not escape into Brazil. At this point, Mr. and Mrs. Einstein has the wherewithal to forge ahead in the study of anti-Chinese anti-miscegenation laws in California and federal intervention in the matter. Your poster-child concept is miscegenation 'mixing.' Suggested reading: Goni, The Real Odessa.
 
Mac77 said:
your guess is as good as mine

But islam seems to attract a lot of men and some women willing to kill and be killed for allah
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That's not the where, why, and how of it, though. That's just the justification offered by radical Islam, so they can channel their reasons into something that makes them feel powerful and above all in the right.

Other terrorists have other reasons.
 
The Mark said:
That's the public relations line, at least.

What I am curious about is the reasons why people join terrorist groups, and how to prevent such.
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Short answer? False narratives contrived and fueled by demagogues.

There's obviously a lot more than that, but anytime alternative facts (e.g. inauguration crowd size, hands-up don't shoot, etc.) are introduced which play upon prejudices and/or fuel peoples' sense of righteous indignation, you get radicalism.
 
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MaggieD said:
There are 1.7 billion Muslims in the world spanning fifty or more countries. Trump's EO covered seven countries. And covered everyone in those seven countries. He did not discriminate or differentiate against Muslims.
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The EO was not what i was referring to when i claimed that he endorsed discrimination of Muslims. That was on the campaign trail. His EO is consistent with his campaign narrative but falls far short of accomplishing as such.

Sorry Maggie, but this might be one where we agree to disagree. I don't see any way to negotiate my view. My view is that he campaigned on the promise of preemptively judging Muslims as "bad" in some way. I thought it was ugly then and i think it's ugly now.
 
Puigb said:
Obama's successor spent five years throwing Obama under the bus to pander to birthers. Screw Trump.
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Screw Obama. He spent eight years throwing the middle class under the bus.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
Obama is jealous that trump is actually making the change he promised and couldn't deliver.
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Obama and the rest of the liberals just can't get their minds around the Trump victory, and it's making them bat shyte crazy. That's what all the Confederate flag flap is all about, and the statue business, and the NFL protests. Trump won; get over it.
 
Waddy said:
Screw Obama. He spent eight years throwing the middle class under the bus.
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I know those are the talking points your right wing masters told you to believe, but you are wrong.
 
Puigb said:
I know those are the talking points your right wing masters told you to believe, but you are wrong.
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My right wing masters are indeed correct; they told me so. Are you suggesting I listen to your left wing masters instead? Hail, hail, Nancy Pelosi.
 
Waddy said:
My right wing masters are indeed correct; they told me so. Are you suggesting I listen to your left wing masters instead? Hail, hail, Nancy Pelosi.
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you mean the same Nancy Pelosi that your new GOP president was praising less than a decade ago?
 
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