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SD high school student forced to pee in bucket wins $1.25M lawsuit

Lutherf said:
There's no way this should have been a $1.25M settlement. That's insane.

The trauma the girl suffered was due to other kids, not peeing in a bucket.


One other thing....."art teacher" explains a lot.
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umm yea because she had to pee in a bucket. otherwise the other kids would have left her alone.
no damage done.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
From what I saw the teacher believed that she was making a good faith effort to follow school rules....seems she was new, maybe not trained too well, but there was no desire to harm the child.
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desire to do harm does not negate the fact that harm was done.

that is like going sorry sir I didn't mean to hit you with my car but I did anyway so have a nice day.
sorry it doesn't work like that.(unless your Clinton)
 
Lutherf said:
There's no way this should have been a $1.25M settlement. That's insane.

The trauma the girl suffered was due to other kids, not peeing in a bucket.


One other thing....."art teacher" explains a lot.
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Apparently it could have been only $25,000 but leaders of the school district preferred to go to court. Idiot leaders are not just for the federal level I guess....
 
LadyMoonlight said:
Firstly, of course this never should have happened. Common sense rules. There are times when I really want to refuse a student who has asked to go to the toilet. Nothing more annoying than walking into the class room after the students have had a 40 minute lunch break, starting the lesson and five minutes into the lesson there is a request to go to the toilet. It's disruptive and annoying. However, as I said, common sense rules. What if the student has a medical problem and really needs to go to the toilet? I generally allow students to leave the class room any time they ask to go to the toilet, as long as they sign the book I have on my desk... leaving the room book - name, class, date, reason, signature, time out and time in. Then, if it becomes a regular habit, I can show them and have a chat. The time they take is recorded so I can also have a chat to them...15-20 minutes to go to the toilet is not on. Yes, we all know that students text each other so they can meet and have a chat outside class in the toilet, yes, we all know that they go to the toilet so they can text a boyfriend who is not a student at the school. Like I said, common sense rules. I will not be responsible for a student having an accident in front of their peers.

That being said, however, this student feeling depressed and suicidal? That's nonsense, and if she was depressed and suicidal then she has bigger problems than not being allowed to go to the proper toilet. Suck it up sunshine, if this is the worst thing that happens to you in life, you will have a damn good life! Where is the strength and resilience of past generations. I really have no time for precious little princesses or princes. Deal with it. My family motto is "Get Up, Get Over It, Get On With It". Sounds like she could benefit from embracing my family motto. Half the money she received should go to a charity of her choice. I think that with settlements like this, it should be a law for half of it to go to charity.
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It's a legitimate issue at younger ages, but there's a reason we compare high schools to prison. If the education is worthwhile, they won't want to walk out, for fear they'll miss something important. If you can't make it worthwhile, you've no room to complain except to your ego. If they leave to text, fine let them. Let them fail. This is how college works. I never see anyone leave a lecture, but they have the right to do so without signing a damn book
 
Thoreau72 said:
Apparently it could have been only $25,000 but leaders of the school district preferred to go to court. Idiot leaders are not just for the federal level I guess....
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There is a reason they are politicians.
 
Absentglare said:
That guy sounds like a ****ing moron. Tens of thousands of Americans commit suicide every year for $0.
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I think the baseline assumption was mental stability. Far more would not endure the pissing in bucket in front of their peers for $0

I don't agree with the more than half test exactly. That's why punitive damages exist. Then there's the fact in a major lawsuit you'd have to wait potentially years for the payout, as well as media hounds and just the exposure in general (who wants to be known as the girl who pissed in a bucket?), which isn't like answering "Yes i'd take the $$" on some radio show

But it's a better measure than juries tossing out seemingly random freaking numbers
 
Hawkeye10 said:
$1,250,000 is A LOT of embarrassment.

Also, if we are raising young girls to become suicidal if they get told to pee in a bucket then we have much bigger problems than this teacher.
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If you don't punish the school, they wont learn from their behavior. Quit being so soft on crime.
 
chromium said:
I think the baseline assumption was mental stability. Far more would not endure the pissing in bucket in front of their peers for $0

I don't agree with the more than half test exactly. That's why punitive damages exist. Then there's the fact in a major lawsuit you'd have to wait potentially years for the payout, as well as media hounds and just the exposure in general (who wants to be known as the girl who pissed in a bucket?), which isn't like answering "Yes i'd take the $$" on some radio show

But it's a better measure than juries tossing out seemingly random freaking numbers
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It's stupid anyway. The damages are not from peeing in a bucket. They are from being forced to pee in a bucket and then being relentlessly harassed about the reputation from peeing in a bucket. Further, this was a 14 (?) year old girl.
 
ludin said:
you are on the losing side of this argument.
No person should be forced to pee in a bucket no in a school type situation.

depends on what the cause of the suicide is. getting laughed at and harassed constantly by people every day for something
that you had 0 control of well I can relate to that when I was younger.

14 year old girls are raging hormone machines. typically they have serious self doubt and image issues already.
they are under huge pressure from friends and other things. what the teacher did was in excusable and I think the family asked them to settle.

the school didn't and so it went to court. the jury gave her damages and emotional stress which would have been a great deal.
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We are likely at near peak victim culture, I fully understand that me arguing that a young girl getting told by her teacher to piss in a bucket if she had to go is not a crime worth a $1.25 million penalty is going to lose the day.

I think that the discussion of the matter is worthy of my time in any case.

We have got to start someplace.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
We are likely at near peak victim culture, I fully understand that me arguing that a young girl getting told by her teacher to piss in a bucket if she had to go is not a crime worth a $1.25 million penalty is going to lose the day.

I think that the discussion of the matter is worthy of my time in any case.

We have got to start someplace.
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the family wanted to settle for 25k I think. the school district chose to go to court and the jury sympathized with the person.
sorry but being forced to pee in a bucket in front of people is degrading. this was during class. yes she was a victim.

that is why we have a court system to settle damage brought by other people.
 
TurtleDude said:
still too high
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the school can appeal it.

this girl can't get her dignity back. how much is her dignity worth?
to some it is worth nothing evidently.

granted I am against frivilious lawsuits I can't stand them I think a lot of them should be thrown out.

this is not one of those cases. the girl was made to pee in a bucket during class.
she then had to carry it and dump it in the classroom sink which is a health hazard.
 
ludin said:
the family wanted to settle for 25k I think. the school district chose to go to court and the jury sympathized with the person.
sorry but being forced to pee in a bucket in front of people is degrading. this was during class. yes she was a victim.

that is why we have a court system to settle damage brought by other people.
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If only that is what got done, but it is not. We have long seen juries sending messages with out of sight awards, which is a form a bullying, which is contrary to justice. And why not, our government has long modeled that exact behavior though the decisions that DA have been making...thinking here of charge shopping, over charging, imposing penalties for turning down plea deals thus making the state conduct a trial, purposely vaguely written laws to give DA increased ability to bully the citizens.

This all need to stop.

NOW
 
ludin said:
the school can appeal it.

this girl can't get her dignity back. how much is her dignity worth?
to some it is worth nothing evidently.

granted I am against frivilious lawsuits I can't stand them I think a lot of them should be thrown out.

this is not one of those cases. the girl was made to pee in a bucket during class.
she then had to carry it and dump it in the classroom sink which is a health hazard.
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As I read the story the sink was in the room she peed in, a janitors room, nobody saw anything. Health hazard? You're kidding right? This award had nothing to do with any such claims in any case, this was an act of throwing money at a modern hero, a verified victim. The more she feel apart in the face of her abuser the better a victim she was for us, claiming that she was suicidal is highly encouraged in that program, especially for young girls. Unless the girl is especially dumb she has known this for a very long time.

A $1.250,000 payday for getting told to pee in a bucket is where America is @2016, this is where victim culture goes, to encouraging frailty and invalidism, and like cliams.
 
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I would pee in a bucket every day and be ridiculed my entire school career for 1.25 million dollars. There should be some limit on the ability of a person to get these kind of claims from tax payer dollars. It is absolutely not "whats wrong with America" though. These kinds of things have been going on for decades.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
If only that is what got done, but it is not. We have long seen juries sending messages with out of sight awards, which is a form a bullying, which is contrary to justice. And why not, our government has long modeled that exact behavior though the decisions that DA have been making...thinking here of charge shopping, over charging, imposing penalties for turning down plea deals thus making the state conduct a trial, purposely vaguely written laws to give DA increased ability to bully the citizens.

This all need to stop.

NOW
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then tell teachers to act with a brain that God gave a rock.
there was no reason for this to even occur. she has to go to the bathroom you let her to go the bathroom.

pretty simple. you don't make her pee in a bucket.

the only person that got bullied in this case was this girl.
sorry you don't like it.

she suffered personal damage.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
As I read the story the sink was in the room she peed in, a janitors room, nobody saw anything. Health hazard? You're kidding right? This award had nothing to do with any such claims in any case, this was an act of throwing money at a modern hero, a verified victim. The more she feel apart in the face of her abuser the better a victim she was for us, claiming that she was suicidal is highly encouraged in that program, especially for young girls. Unless the girl is especially dumb she has known this for a very long time.

A $1.250,000 payday for getting told to pee in a bucket is where America is @2016, this is where victim culture goes, to encouraging frailty and invalidism, and like cliams.
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yep she had to go to a janitors closet to pee. which is not very clean. next she had to carry the bucket back into class and dump it in the classroom sink which is unsanitary and a health hazard.
Next all the students then started spreading the rumor in which she started getting harassed for something that was in fact not her fault.

her parents tried to get the school to settle for 25k I do believe, or enough to cover some medical bills that she had. they refused and took it to court.

no she didn't get 1.2m for peeing in a bucket. she got 1.2 million for the injury and personal loss and humiliation that she went through when it could have been avoided.
the jury awarded her 41k to cover medical bills and 1.2m for pain and suffering it seems.

when it could have been settled for 25k.

the schools stupidity in more than one occasion left this occur.

no this has nothing to do with encouraging fragility. if I was her parents and I knew the school did that I would do that same thing.
what the school did was inexcusable.
 
ludin said:
then tell teachers to act with a brain that God gave a rock.
there was no reason for this to even occur. she has to go to the bathroom you let her to go the bathroom.

pretty simple. you don't make her pee in a bucket.

the only person that got bullied in this case was this girl.
sorry you don't like it.

she suffered personal damage.
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Yes, but if she suffered $1,250,000 worth then she is pathetic.

Firing the teacher and an apology should have been fine.

And I am not even sure about the firing part.
 
ludin said:
yep she had to go to a janitors closet to pee. which is not very clean. next she had to carry the bucket back into class and dump it in the classroom sink which is unsanitary and a health hazard.
Next all the students then started spreading the rumor in which she started getting harassed for something that was in fact not her fault.

her parents tried to get the school to settle for 25k I do believe, or enough to cover some medical bills that she had. they refused and took it to court.

no she didn't get 1.2m for peeing in a bucket. she got 1.2 million for the injury and personal loss and humiliation that she went through when it could have been avoided.
the jury awarded her 41k to cover medical bills and 1.2m for pain and suffering it seems.

when it could have been settled for 25k.

the schools stupidity in more than one occasion left this occur.

no this has nothing to do with encouraging fragility. if I was her parents and I knew the school did that I would do that same thing.
what the school did was inexcusable.
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$41,000 to cover allegedly required mental health intervention to deal with the trauma of being told to pee in a bucket is what you are talking about.

We sure do raise them weak and fragile now dont we....

THANKS VICTIM CULTURE!
 
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Hawkeye10 said:
From what I saw the teacher believed that she was making a good faith effort to follow school rules....seems she was new, maybe not trained too well, but there was no desire to harm the child.
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Not being well trained is the school or school district's fault.

As far as there was no desire to harm the student, the road to Hell is paved with good intentions.
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1066820358 said:
Not being well trained is the school or school district's fault.

As far as there was no desire to harm the student, the road to Hell is paved with good intentions.
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I would say the same thing about $1.25 million awards to the lightly wronged.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
$41,000 to cover allegedly required mental health intervention to deal with the trauma of being told to pee in a bucket is what you are talking about.

We sure do raise them weak and fragile now dont we....

THANKS VICTIM CULTURE!
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actually it was the ensuring harassment by kids at the school that caused it.
I know for a fact what that is all about and I can tell you that it is not fun and can take
you to some pretty bad spots.

you should be thanking the idiots at the school.
she suffered personal injury.

how much is your dignity worth? evidently 0. so have a nice day.
unlike you I am not blaming the victim I am putting the blame squarely where it belongs
the school.
 
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