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President Donald Trump to publish weekly list of crimes committed by immigrants

minnie616 said:
Wow that is very interesting to say the least.

I don't have a twitter account but would be interested in continuing to read the RouuePOTUSStaff posts.

Is there anyway you could start a thread and give myself and others who are intested daily updates of his/her posts?
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My ability to do that would be sketchy seeing as I have to get some work done today. Trying to concentrate on painting while your country is being systematically destroyed by a malignant narcissist has been an exercise in mental discipline. That said, I am able to see the feed on my web browser, even when I'm signed out.

I've been taking screen caps though, because let's be honest: if he's real, and it's kind of looking that way, there's no way this guy is lasting for much longer.
 
And for all those arguing on all sides, let me help you take a step back, do a bit of research, and have something useful to keep in mind when discussing what this does or does not say, or what it does or does not reference. Remember, Presidents can't make law, they can only dictate how to execute it, so this is just building off of established Immigration law. With that in mind, here is what "alien" means under our laws:

U.S. Code. Title 8. Chapter 12. Subchapter I. § 1101. (a)

(3) The term “alien” means any person not a citizen or national of the United States.

So no, it is not meaning ONLY illegal immigrants, but nor is it meaning any immigrant that has became a citizen or has been naturalized.
 
Zyphlin said:
So basically, if you're here in the country legally as a visitor, or illegally, and you violate the law, this would be reported to the federal government on a weekly basis? The federal government, mind you, that is charged with handling matters of immigration. I don't really see the problem with this.

If you're here on a visa or some sort, but are not a permanent citizen/national of the US, then your presence here is a conditional one. I see no reason why it's unreasonable that the governing body overseeing that conditional visitation should be made aware if you're violating an aspect of those conditions, i.e. breaking the law.

If you're NOT here legally, then absolutely the federal government...which is charged with protecting the borders and dealing with illegal entry into the US...should be made aware of your presence when you're found by local authorities.

Not really seeing the problem here.
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The real issue here is publishing that list to the public.

As an immigrant, I don't really want my speeding offenses, or participations in protests, on a big piece of paper at the town hall.
 
Zyphlin said:
So basically, if you're here in the country legally as a visitor, or illegally, and you violate the law, this would be reported to the federal government on a weekly basis? The federal government, mind you, that is charged with handling matters of immigration. I don't really see the problem with this.

If you're here on a visa or some sort, but are not a permanent citizen/national of the US, then your presence here is a conditional one. I see no reason why it's unreasonable that the governing body overseeing that conditional visitation should be made aware if you're violating an aspect of those conditions, i.e. breaking the law.

If you're NOT here legally, then absolutely the federal government...which is charged with protecting the borders and dealing with illegal entry into the US...should be made aware of your presence when you're found by local authorities.

Not really seeing the problem here.
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Is there a published list on a .gov site I can go to if I want to see which crimes white Christians have committed lately?
 
Nilly said:
The real issue here is publishing that list to the public.

As an immigrant, I don't really want my speeding offenses, or participations in protests, on a big piece of paper at the town hall.
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You're worried for yourself? So you're not a citizen? And you live within a jurisdiction that utilizes Sanctuary laws and regulations? Also, typically, speeding is not considered a criminal offense but a civil one.
 
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Cardinal said:
Is there a published list on a .gov site I can go to if I want to see which crimes white Christians have committed lately?
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Not that I know of.

Are there policies in place in cities that are specifically designed and stated to encourage or require open disregard for federal laws and non-cooperation with federal agencies as it relates to crimes committed by white Christians?
 
Zyphlin said:
Not that I know of.

Are there policies in place in cities that are specifically designed and stated to encourage or require open disregard for federal laws and non-cooperation with federal agencies as it relates to crimes committed by white Christians?
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Think maybe we should create and publish such a list? You know, for public safety?
 
Zyphlin said:
You're worried for yourself? So you're not a citizen? And you live within a jurisdiction that utilizes Sanctuary laws and regulations?
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Not a citizen.

Live in Phoenix which I believe to be a sanctuary city.

Here legally.
 
Cardinal said:
Think maybe we should create and publish such a list? You know, for public safety?
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I answered your question. Answer mine first, and then I'll be happy to answer this one. It's a conversation, not an interrogation.
 
Zyphlin said:
Not that I know of.

Are there policies in place in cities that are specifically designed and stated to encourage or require open disregard for federal laws and non-cooperation with federal agencies as it relates to crimes committed by white Christians?
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So the role of the federal government is to shame city officials and illegals?

Also, is there an appeal process to this list? I remember cons getting quite upset over the no-fly list and that the federal government didn't allow an appeal process. What about those convictions that are overturned?
 
Zyphlin said:
I answered your question. Answer mine first, and then I'll be happy to answer this one. It's a conversation, not an interrogation.
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You answered a previous question. I asked a new one.

Think maybe we should create and publish such a list of white Christians? You know, for public safety? Oh, and white Christians would be the only demographic to be compiled and published.
 
Nilly said:
Not a citizen.

Live in Phoenix which I believe to be a sanctuary city.

Here legally.
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Then your worry actually does make sense. Well, save for the speeding ticket part of it. For a speeding offense to qualify as criminal in Arizona, you'd need to be going in excess of 85 MPH, excess of 35 at a school crossing, excess of the posted limit by 20, or excess of 45 when there's no posted speed. Routine "speeding" is a civil matter, not a criminal one, in Arizona.

Furthermore, if your worry about any actual CRIMINAL offenses you committed is that they may be posted on the town hall, then I'd suggest your worry is misplaced. I'd say your real "fear" here should be having your legal status of being in this country being revoked, as this article explains:

4. Commit a Crime
If you commit any of various types of crimes (it need not be a felony), or if you are caught with a controlled substance, you may be subject to deportation and the loss of your green card. Exactly which crimes make you deportable is difficult to summarize; this will depend on the facts of your case and the way the law is written in the U.S. state where you were convicted.
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AlabamaPaul said:
Then this order wouldn't apply to you...
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Actually, it would. The term used by this order, "Alien", as it relates to our actual laws, makes no distinction between a foreign individual here legally or illegally. That's specifically why people use the term "ILLEGAL alien"; if alien already automatically mean "illegal" then that would just be redundant
 
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Jetboogieman said:
Stormfront... Has a... Pretty... Similar thing.

Course they've also got ones for Jews and blacks too cause yah know, nazis.
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I would mention that Nazis did specifically this by collecting and publishing the names and pictures of Jews who broke the law, but saying such a thing would discredit me because, you know, Godwin.
 
Praxas said:
So the role of the federal government is to shame city officials and illegals?
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A role of the federal government is to enforce it's laws. If states and cities are not adhering to that, there's a long history of this country of the Federal Government taking steps to coerce, shame, or force them to comply. Take a look at the history with regards to schools and federal funding, as an example.

Also, is there an appeal process to this list? I remember cons getting quite upset over the no-fly list and that the federal government didn't allow an appeal process. What about those convictions that are overturned?
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You must have a short memory if you only remember the "cons" getting quite upset over the no-fly list, because before they had an issue with it Bush was in power and the "libs" were the ones with the problem with it. So the partisan games go.

As it relates to this executive action; I have no clue, I'll have to do some extra digging into the Declined Detainers Outcome Report, which this seems to be built off of. It may be that the report only reports those who have actually gone to trial and found guilty, or it may just be based on charges. I'm honestly unsure at the moment, but would seek to look it up. The latter would seem reasonable, the former a fair bit more questionable.

I'm also curious to know if the DDOR is a list of NAMES, or if it's more like the majority of government statistics and is more a set of numbers and categories than actual names. In which case, numbers regarding charges as opposed to actual guilty verdicts would be more reasonable, as it's not having to be weighed as strongly against the potential harm to an individual who's name is published. This would also put it in line with how most crime statistics are shown, so my hope would be it'd go that route.
 
I have 0 problem with enforcing immigration laws and strongly encouraging legal immigration in theory, but I do have a major problem with trying to raise support for these actions by painting a group of people as dangerous criminals. That is straight up fascist stuff.
 
Cardinal said:
You answered a previous question. I asked a new one.
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Right, so you refuse to actually answer questions and just want to go to your next talking point like a good little propagandist. No thanks. Enjoy
 
Zyphlin said:
Right, so you refuse to actually answer questions and just want to go to your next talking point like a good little propagandist. No thanks. Enjoy
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You're more than free to pontificate over pedantry that skips around the central point of the OP without me. Bye bye.
 
Folks, here's an example of the "Declined Detainer Outcome Report": LINK

I've done a quick go through, but if anyone wants to check it closer and correct me, be my guest. But looking through the whole thing, NO WHERE does it actually point out an individual BY NAME (neither does the EA direct the report to start doing so).

In all cases it simply speaks to the situation and perhaps "an individual", but it does not give names. For example:

"On February 16, 2014, San Mateo County, California law enforcement arrested an individual for felony lewd or lascivious acts with a child under 14 years old. Despite a prior misdemeanor DUI conviction and the severity of the current charge, local law enforcement did not honor an immigration detainer ICE issued for the individual".

No name is given, no one's identity would be pasted onto the town hall, it is simply a description of the crime in the most basic terms and an indication that the local authorities refused to work with federal authorities to have the person detained for a violation of his immigration status.

Other parts of the report are just giving numbers, such as:

"1,867 individuals were later arrested 4,298 times after their initial detainers were declined."

Again, no names, no specifics to the individual, just statistics of what is going on.

Again, if you want to have a problem with this, fine. But have a problem based on facts and reality, not on this trumped up boogeyman scenario.
 
Very authoritarian, what is he thinking?

The only point it to whip up nationalistic support for his position. Propaganda.

I am not calling Trump a Nazi, but I would like to point out this is an exact copy of what Hitler did.
 
Zyphlin said:
Folks, here's an example of the "Declined Detainer Outcome Report": LINK

I've done a quick go through, but if anyone wants to check it closer and correct me, be my guest. But looking through the whole thing, NO WHERE does it actually point out an individual BY NAME (neither does the EA direct the report to start doing so).

In all cases it simply speaks to the situation and perhaps "an individual", but it does not give names. For example:

"On February 16, 2014, San Mateo County, California law enforcement arrested an individual for felony lewd or lascivious acts with a child under 14 years old. Despite a prior misdemeanor DUI conviction and the severity of the current charge, local law enforcement did not honor an immigration detainer ICE issued for the individual".

No name is given, no one's identity would be pasted onto the town hall, it is simply a description of the crime in the most basic terms and an indication that the local authorities refused to work with federal authorities to have the person detained for a violation of his immigration status.

Other parts of the report are just giving numbers, such as:

"1,867 individuals were later arrested 4,298 times after their initial detainers were declined."

Again, no names, no specifics to the individual, just statistics of what is going on.

Again, if you want to have a problem with this, fine. But have a problem based on facts and reality, not on this trumped up boogeyman scenario.
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Oh good.

"Here is a list of of White Christian crimes that were committed today. Don't worry, their individual names have not been revealed."
 
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