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Undocumented immigrant rights activist loses her battle to avoid being deported

rocket88 said:
If we ended birthright citizenship, how many of us would be citizens?
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My answer there was the short answer. The context I did not feel called for every single nuance.

But since you're asking: Any person born with one biological parent already a citizen would be a citizen (if I had my way). The point addressed here was just that being born physically in the country would, by itself, be irrelevant.
 
Praxas said:
If that were true than the government would already be doing it with a Republican controlled house and senate. They are not.
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Patience

Trump is doing it
 
radcen said:
My answer there was the short answer. The context I did not feel called for every single nuance.

But since you're asking: Any person born with one biological parent already a citizen would be a citizen (if I had my way). The point addressed here was just that being born physically in the country would, by itself, be irrelevant.
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The problem is that if it's applied retroactively, so many 9f us would not be citizens. My great-grandparents would not be citizens, therefore those down the line would also not be.
 
rocket88 said:
The problem is that if it's applied retroactively, so many 9f us would not be citizens. My great-grandparents would not be citizens, therefore those down the line would also not be.
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I do not believe in ANY law being retroactive. My idea is that it would only apply from point of passage forward.
 
Praxas said:
Trump is not king, at least not to anyone but his lapdogs.
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he is doing what the law allows and seeking authority to do more
 
prometeus said:
Why is anyone obliged to believe lies?

No, they should not assume anything and do their verification as prescribed by law.

Really? Says who?

The job of the business is to follow applicable law, in this case to not hire illegals.

No background check is required just following the law.

What right is being violated?

How is that relevant?
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As a former owner of a small business I hired people who could help me provide the service and I did not care whether or not they are citizens. I was not going to spend money on background checks as they are irrelevant and told me nothing important for my business. I had checks in place to ensure they followed rules but why should I care whether they may have something in their past and why should I be unforgiving enough to believe that the past predicts the future? That should not be my problem, anymore than sanctuary cities should not have to determine the citizenship of people living within those cities. And, like sanctuary cities, I understand that if I discover that my employee was not eligible to work THEN I would take action, as should sanctuary cities.
Congress has approved money to have a data base on all immigrants to help determine whether they have overstayed their visas but that data base has not been completed. Nor is there a data base on all citizens. Without those things, it is a guessing name at best to determine whether an employee has a right to work. And I support the civil rights of people to face their accuser and have due process. Can't just not hire someone because you think they may be illegally here.
The responsibility of the federal government to handle immigration matters is well established by law.
 
Eric7216 said:
As a former owner of a small business I hired people who could help me provide the service and I did not care
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Exactly, you did not care. No need to elaborate any further. Your interests above the law.

whether or not they are citizens.
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Citizenship is irrelevant. Legal immigrant status is what matters.

I was not going to spend money on background checks
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It seem you are clueless on this topic. Background checks are not necessary.

as they are irrelevant and told me nothing important for my business.
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Yea, you said that already, you do not care beyond your own interests.

I had checks in place to ensure they followed rules but why should I care whether they may have something in their past and why should I be unforgiving enough to believe that the past predicts the future?
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Irrelevant drivel... The topic is legal status.

That should not be my problem
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Yea, you do not care.
 
prometeus said:
Exactly, you did not care. No need to elaborate any further. Your interests above the law.
Citizenship is irrelevant. Legal immigrant status is what matters.
It seem you are clueless on this topic. Background checks are not necessary.
Yea, you said that already, you do not care beyond your own interests.
Irrelevant drivel... The topic is legal status.
Yea, you do not care.
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OK, I understand that you like to sidestep issues and you enjoy casting aspersions. Let's try another method.
What do you think that it takes to determine whether a potential employee is a legal resident or an immigrant that is allowed to work?
 
Eric7216 said:
OK, I understand that you like to sidestep issues and you enjoy casting aspersions.
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Clearly you do not understand anything. You made it clear that you did not care and that your interests came first. Pointing that out is not an aspersion but a simple highlighting of fact.

Let's try another method.
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There was nothing wrong with the first method other than the lack of veracity in your approach.

What do you think that it takes to determine whether a potential employee is a legal resident or an immigrant that is allowed to work?
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It starts with a simple verification of documents that establish status. Citizens, in as much as citizenship is not required to be a legal immigrant, can show a passport or birth certificate. Legal aliens should show the document that establishes legal residency, the so called "green card" in conjunction with their passport used to enter the country. The visa in that passport is a great indicator of how and why they are here. If that does not show legal residency or the status was changed there should be documentation from INS showing that. This takes less than 5 minutes to do.
 
Red_Dave said:
Its not as complicated as doing a background check, just check her visa (This would be physically inside her passport in most places I don´t know the U.S). Thats the norm in many of places in the world even if you are a citizen.
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I wonder, how many illegals crossing the southern border have a passport?

Employers should ask for ID.

I know in some European countries, they ask people they believe could be foreigners for ID walking the street, and have witnessed it. I wonder how that's changed since the tsunami of illegals.
 
prometeus said:
Clearly you do not understand anything. You made it clear that you did not care and that your interests came first. Pointing that out is not an aspersion but a simple highlighting of fact.
There was nothing wrong with the first method other than the lack of veracity in your approach.
It starts with a simple verification of documents that establish status. Citizens, in as much as citizenship is not required to be a legal immigrant, can show a passport or birth certificate. Legal aliens should show the document that establishes legal residency, the so called "green card" in conjunction with their passport used to enter the country. The visa in that passport is a great indicator of how and why they are here. If that does not show legal residency or the status was changed there should be documentation from INS showing that. This takes less than 5 minutes to do.
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I donate c. 400 hrs of my time annually to the federal government doing various volunteer projects, usually in national parks or national forests. Doubt that you do that much to show how you care. I never showed a passport or birth certificate to any employer in my 40+ years of working. There are good forgeries out there.
It is the job of the federal government to ensure the people here are legally here. If there was a data base for employers to check then it would be easy to check. Congress has funding such a data base but it has not been developed.
 
Eric7216 said:
I donate
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So what, you are not the only one. Still does not change anything.

Doubt that you do that much to show how you care.
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So what is next you will pretend you can pee further?

I never showed a passport or birth certificate to any employer in my 40+ years of working.
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And what does that prove? That they did not care either?

It is the job of the federal government to ensure the people here are legally here.
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Except when they overstay, which is most illegals. Clearly you are clueless on this.
 
prometeus said:
Except when they overstay, which is most illegals. Clearly you are clueless on this.
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Wait. This was in response to my comment that "It is the job of the federal government to ensure the people here are legally here" You actually think that the responsibility of the US government ENDS when the visa ends? That the feds have no responsibility to ensure that people leave when their visa expire? Wow!
No need for you to comment. You have added nothing.
 
Eric7216 said:
Wait. This was in response to my comment that "It is the job of the federal government to ensure the people here are legally here" You actually think that the responsibility of the US government ENDS when the visa ends? That the feds have no responsibility to ensure that people leave when their visa expire? Wow!
No need for you to comment. You have added nothing.
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With such a stupid comment you are only demonstrating how clueless you are on this topic.
 
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