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Trump to sign executive order to build wall.

Renae said:
Lov him or hate him, you have to addmire a Candidate who is making good on campaign promises rather than getting into office and suddenly changing why he is who he is...
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As much as I want a wall on the border an executive order on the wall is meaningless and not making good on a campaign promise .
 
Nap said:
Mexico is supposed to pay us back, not sure how that is to be accomplished though.

I'm pretty sure they will.
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I'm pretty sure I'm going to win the Powerball this year and wake up one morning to find that my husband has miraculously morphed into Brad Pitt.
 
jamesrage said:
1.A wall will make it harder for people to come into the country illegally. It will make it easier for border guards to control the border.Although I am sure you been told this many times already.

2.The great wall of China is actually a series of walls built over a 1,500 years in different parts of China. The Chinese built walls like the Egyptians and Mayans built tombs and pyramids. And for the most part they did work.
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Did the Great Wall manage to keep that dog out?
 
Cardinal said:
Speaking of which, where exactly does the power of the Executive Order end and the Budget Committee begin?
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That's a good question. Maybe we sent a dictator to the Oval Office and he has the mad power to order up any trinket he wants, and processes and deference to those who actually control the purse strings be damned! Let's just ignore that part in the Constitution that gives them that responsibility.

According to the Trump devotees between 2009 and 2017 every Executive Order was the act of a mad Muslim and was unconstitutional. Now all of a sudden they're just awesomes.
 
tres borrachos said:
That's a good question. Maybe we sent a dictator to the Oval Office and he has the mad power to order up any trinket he wants, and processes and deference to those who actually control the purse strings be damned! Let's just ignore that part in the Constitution that gives them that responsibility.

According to the Trump devotees between 2009 and 2017 every Executive Order was the act of a mad Muslim and was unconstitutional. Now all of a sudden they're just awesomes.
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The conspiracy theorist in me has considered the possibility that after saying for years that the President has too much power, they wanted to go and demonstrate the point.
 
jamesrage said:
1.A wall will make it harder for people to come into the country illegally. It will make it easier for border guards to control the border.Although I am sure you been told this many times already.

2.The great wall of China is actually a series of walls built over a 1,500 years in different parts of China. The Chinese built walls like the Egyptians and Mayans built tombs and pyramids. And for the most part they did work.
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Lol.... the Great Wall you know today was built largely by the Ming dynasty... It wasn't built over 1500 years. It was built in and around the 1500s. The reason people say it failed is that by 1644 the dynasty that had built the Great Wall was collapsing.... and the people it was supposed to keep out...foreigners like the Manchus... just kind of walked around it or went over it, or married people living in the country.
 
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I came into this thread expecting a bunch of Republican posters to be spitting nails mad at President Trump's use of executive orders, as I've been told repeatedly it is an unconstitutional overeach to use executive orders.

I'm surprised I haven't really seen that outrage yet. I'm sure it's coming though, I know how strongly so many Republicans felt about the use of executive orders...
tres borrachos said:
I'm pretty sure I'm going to win the Powerball this year and wake up one morning to find that my husband has miraculously morphed into Brad Pitt.
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You should go with Matt Damon. Better actor, younger and not dealing with divorce and custody drama. Also, Matt Damon is currently starring in a movie about a wall.

It all just makes perfect sense really.
 
Hatuey said:
Lol.... the Great Wall you know today was built largely by the Ming dynasty... It wasn't built over 1500 years. It was built in and around the 1500s. .
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Wrong.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Wall_of_China
The Great Wall of China is a series of fortifications made of stone, brick, tamped earth, wood, and other materials, generally built along an east-to-west line across the historical northern borders of China to protect the Chinese states and empires against the raids and invasions of the various nomadic groups of the Eurasian Steppe. Several walls were being built as early as the 7th century BC;[SUP][2][/SUP] these, later joined together and made bigger and stronger, are now collectively referred to as the Great Wall.[SUP][3][/SUP] Especially famous is the wall built 220–206 BC by Qin Shi Huang, the first Emperor of China. Little of that wall remains. Since then, the Great Wall has on and off been rebuilt, maintained, and enhanced; the majority of the existing wall is from the Ming Dynasty (1368–1644).
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The reason people say it failed is that by 1644 the dynasty that had built the Great Wall was collapsing.... and the people it was supposed to keep out...foreigners like the Manchus... just kind of walked around it or went over it, or married people living in the country
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The handful of times it didn't keep out invaders in it's 1500 year history does not disprove its effectiveness anymore than someone whose life was not saved by a seat belt disprove the effectiveness of seat-belts. If the walls were not effective then I doubt the Chinese would have kept building them over a 1500 year period.I doubt If walls were not festive in general then no one would be putting up walls.
 
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Cardinal said:
Did the Great Wall manage to keep that dog out?
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Do seat belts always save lives?Not always.But it does not disprove the effectiveness of seat belts any more than the handful of times it the wall not keep out invaders disprove the effectiveness of walls.
 
Slyfox696 said:
I came into this thread expecting a bunch of Republican posters to be spitting nails mad at President Trump's use of executive orders, as I've been told repeatedly it is an unconstitutional overeach to use executive orders.

I'm surprised I haven't really seen that outrage yet. I'm sure it's coming though, I know how strongly so many Republicans felt about the use of executive orders...
You should go with Matt Damon. Better actor, younger and not dealing with divorce and custody drama. Also, Matt Damon is currently starring in a movie about a wall.

It all just makes perfect sense really.
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Matt Damon it is! The wall thing adds an extra touch. I do worry about how his wife will feel about this. Oh hell, she can just take half his money and shut up.

Yes, I'm also waiting for the people who bitched from 2009 to 2017 about Obama's executive orders to express their extreme displeasure at Trump's EO orgy. You think it's coming soon?
 
jamesrage said:
Do seat belts always save lives?Not always.But it does not disprove the effectiveness of seat belts any more than the handful of times it the wall not keep out invaders disprove the effectiveness of walls.
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So you want to spend 25 billion dollars to keep out an additional handful of people. Okay.
 
SMTA said:
No kidding - 25 billion dollars worth.
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Then he needs to cut 100-200 PBS's. How many do we have?:lamo

This is the eternal problem that will turn this into the inevitable borrow and spend binge. There isn't enough to cut from the budget to pay for their trillion dollar stimulus or little "wall". Add the corporate and .1% bracket tax cuts, and it's much worse. Of course, tax cuts always pay for themselves. That has been proven over and over.:lamo

Gawd...
 
jamesrage said:
Wrong.
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Sigh, from your source:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ming_Great_Wall

The Ming Great Wall (明長城; Ming changcheng), built by the Ming dynasty (1368–1644), forms the most visible parts of the Great Wall of China today. A comprehensive archaeological survey, using advanced technologies, has concluded that the Ming walls measure 8,850 km (5,500 mi) from Jiayu Pass in the west to the sea in Shanhai Pass, then looping over to terminate in Manchuria at the Hushan Great Wall.[1] This is made up of 6,259 km (3,889 mi) sections of actual wall, 359 km (223 mi) of trenches and 2,232 km (1,387 mi) of natural defensive barriers such as hills and rivers.[1]
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From a Chinese website:

https://www.travelchinaguide.com/china_great_wall/history/ming/

Why Did the Ming Dynasty Build the Great Wall?

The Ming Dynasty was established after overturning the Yuan Dynasty (1271-1368) and driving the Mongols back to northern grassland. Nevertheless, the Mongols, who would not take their defeat lying down, often harassed the northern border of the Ming's territory in central China. In mid Ming Dynasty, the Jurchen people in northeast China became powerful, also threatening the border security of Ming. Under these critical circumstances, the Ming rulers ordered to build the Great Wall actively to shore up its territory.
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Is Donald Trump right that the Great Wall of China is 2,000 years old and 13,000 miles long? | PolitiFact

"The Great Wall you see today was almost entirely built in the 1500s under the Ming dynasty," said Kenneth M. Swope, a University of Southern Mississippi historian and author of A Dragon's Head and a Serpent's Tail: Ming China and the First Great East Asian War, 1592-1598.
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Please stop, you made a mistake based on a subject you don't know much about. I have the Chinese, American Scholars, and your own source telling you that you're flat out uninformed about the wall.

Like Trump.
 
Hatuey said:
Sigh, from your source:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ming_Great_Wall



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Is Donald Trump right that the Great Wall of China is 2,000 years old and 13,000 miles long? | PolitiFact



Please stop, you made a mistake based on a subject you don't know much about. I have the Chinese, American Scholars, and your own source telling you that you're flat out uninformed about the wall.

Like Trump.
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The Chinese built multiple great walls over a 1500 year span all over China.ANd notice it says the The Ming Great Wall (明長城; Ming changcheng), built by the Ming dynasty (1368–1644), forms the most visible parts of the Great Wall of China todaymeaning there are other parts that make up the great wall. not just the Ming dynasty wall.
 
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Ikari said:
Isn't Congress necessary for any of this? How will it be funded? Congress controls the purse strings.
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'Secure Fence Act, passed in 2006 with bipartisan support — 283 votes in the House and 80 in the Senate, including then-Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton."

The law ordered the Secretary of Homeland Security, within 18 months of passage, to "take all actions the secretary determines necessary and appropriate to achieve and maintain operational control over the entire international land and maritime borders of the United States."
 
Cardinal said:
So much for the claim that Mexico will pay for it, eh? Out of curiosity, did you ever swallow that tripe?
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In the end Mexico will pay in the form of lost remittances from illegal aliens who cannot reach the US anymore
 
Cardinal said:
Speaking of which, where exactly does the power of the Executive Order end and the Budget Committee begin?
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Secure Fence Act, passed in 2006 with bipartisan support — 283 votes in the House and 80 in the Senate, including then-Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton.

The law ordered the Secretary of Homeland Security, within 18 months of passage, to "take all actions the secretary determines necessary and appropriate to achieve and maintain operational control over the entire international land and maritime borders of the United States."
 
Mac77 said:
In the end Mexico will pay in the form of lost remittances from illegal aliens who cannot reach the US anymore
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Right.
 
Common Sense 1 said:
'Secure Fence Act, passed in 2006 with bipartisan support — 283 votes in the House and 80 in the Senate, including then-Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton."

The law ordered the Secretary of Homeland Security, within 18 months of passage, to "take all actions the secretary determines necessary and appropriate to achieve and maintain operational control over the entire international land and maritime borders of the United States."
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Been a little past 18 months, yeah? Seems like this one is moot.
 
Common Sense 1 said:
'Secure Fence Act, passed in 2006 with bipartisan support — 283 votes in the House and 80 in the Senate, including then-Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton."

The law ordered the Secretary of Homeland Security, within 18 months of passage, to "take all actions the secretary determines necessary and appropriate to achieve and maintain operational control over the entire international land and maritime borders of the United States."
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Congress still has to appropriate the money to build the wall

Which I think will happen
 
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