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Trump calls his inauguration 'National day of patriotic devotion'.

HenryChinaski said:
Patriotism is, fundamentally, a conviction that a particular country is the best in the world because you were born in it. I've family is Sweden that are big Nationalists. Can't have rational conversations with them either.
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I see a common denominator here. Maybe it isn't them.
 
Casper said:
Who cares what he calls it, so long as he is not trying to make a Law forcing it upon us. Yes, some see it as him making it something it may or may not mean, but that is the least of our worries these days. Focus on what actually means something to the Nation, these sorts of petty squabbles are not do anything other than to distract from the real issues, or maybe that is the game plan, let's worry about naming a day that occurs every four years and fight over bathroom rights, forget that we are going deeper and deeper into debt and are about to get into trade wars with much of the world.
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Good post. Thanks. Saved me some typing.
 
HenryChinaski said:
People who believe are sucking air through a bent straw.
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Psst. This is a political forum and this is a political issue. The reason you seem to be speaking in parables is because a direct examination, by you, of your position would lead you to cast it into the garbage. But you wont do that. You would rather cling to a faulty premise than admit that your premise is faulty. That's just intellectual dishonesty. The truth is you cant name a nation that isn't nationalist. Who is that country that says 'the people of other nations before our own?' Answer: it doesn't exist. Two recent example of putting the people of other nations before our own would be the Vietnam and Iraq wars. Did you support those wars? If not, why not?
 
Praxas said:
It's amusing how so many cons had complained about Obama having a big ego (which he didn't), yet here we go with Trump and all of a sudden to cons it's ok to have an ego. Another hypocritical example from the cons.
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I think Obama had a very big ego. I have to think back but there were a couple things he did that creeped me out. I remember him giving some tapes of himself to Queen Elizabeth or something weird. And some other instances. He was an egomaniac.

That said, on his worst day he couldn't hold a candle to Trump in terms of obnoxious narcissism. Trump is a walking textbook case of Narcissistic Personality Disorder. The man is revolting.
 
American said:
You are failing to make a point. Obama lied everyday, and that didn't bother you.
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And Trump's lying obviously doesn't bother you in the least.
 
Fishking said:
Ah...nice to see you using disabled people as an insult.
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That's pretty clearly not what he was doing.

I hope that's not how you refer to disabled individuals.
No one does that anymore.
 
American said:
No, so far he's keeping promises. Why don't you give him a chance?
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I am giving him a chance. I'm the biggest fan of his cabinet picks on DP. But what I'm not is a partisan goofball or someone who blindly adores the man. I'll call him out when he says or does something stupid. I did the same thing with all of his predecessors too.
 
tres borrachos said:
I am giving him a chance. I'm the biggest fan of his cabinet picks on DP. But what I'm not is a partisan goofball or someone who blindly adores the man. I'll call him out when he says or does something stupid. I did the same thing with all of his predecessors too.
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But you throw in little digs on every post. That's not giving him a chance. He got his cabinet picked faster than anyone, and is already keeping promises. Who's done it or done it better?
 
American said:
But you throw in little digs on every post. That's not giving him a chance. He got his cabinet picked faster than anyone, and is already keeping promises. Who's done it or done it better?
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I don't throw in little digs on every post. And did you miss the part in the post you just quoted about his cabinet picks?

He's kept a few promises he made to you guys. Sorry, but as much as i think a moratorium on hiring is a good thing, it wasn't one of my priorities. Obama also promised things on day one that never materialized. Remember when he assured his dopey supporters that he would have Gitmo closed in less than a year?

I get it American. You can't stand even a slight criticism of Trump. You better grow thicker skin, because Trump appealed to some of you, but he didn't appeal to a whole lot of us. I'm going to say what I want about the man. I praise him when he deserves it and I criticize him when he deserves it. I'm not a partisan simpleton (and he isn't even a real Republican).

Let me know when he builds his wall that Mexico's paying for, and when he appoints a prosecutor so you all can see Hillary locked up. I'm sure those will both come after he releases his tax returns.
 
American said:
But you throw in little digs on every post. That's not giving him a chance. He got his cabinet picked faster than anyone, and is already keeping promises. Who's done it or done it better?
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Just because she is giving Trump a chase (As am I), doesn't mean he should be absolved from any criticism.
 
tres borrachos said:
I think Obama had a very big ego. I have to think back but there were a couple things he did that creeped me out. I remember him giving some tapes of himself to Queen Elizabeth or something weird. And some other instances. He was an egomaniac.

That said, on his worst day he couldn't hold a candle to Trump in terms of obnoxious narcissism. Trump is a walking textbook case of Narcissistic Personality Disorder. The man is revolting.
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So you're opposed to Trump refusing to sign the TPP?
 
TheGoverness said:
Just because she is giving Trump a chase (As am I), doesn't mean he should be absolved from any criticism.
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Looking from things that haven't happened yet, reminds me of the Women's March.
 
tres borrachos said:
He's kept a few promises he made to you guys. Sorry, but as much as i think a moratorium on hiring is a good thing, it wasn't one of my priorities.
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If I recall correctly, weren't your priorities granting illegal immigrants amnesty and increasing the scope and power of the Department of Education?
 
tres borrachos said:
I don't throw in little digs on every post. And did you miss the part in the post you just quoted about his cabinet picks?

He's kept a few promises he made to you guys. Sorry, but as much as i think a moratorium on hiring is a good thing, it wasn't one of my priorities. Obama also promised things on day one that never materialized. Remember when he assured his dopey supporters that he would have Gitmo closed in less than a year?

I get it American. You can't stand even a slight criticism of Trump. You better grow thicker skin, because Trump appealed to some of you, but he didn't appeal to a whole lot of us. I'm going to say what I want about the man. I praise him when he deserves it and I criticize him when he deserves it. I'm not a partisan simpleton (and he isn't even a real Republican).

Let me know when he builds his wall that Mexico's paying for, and when he appoints a prosecutor so you all can see Hillary locked up. I'm sure those will both come after he releases his tax returns.
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I can stand valid criticisms, but there aren't any yet. Except that one guy getting investigated for calling the Russians. That bothers me. Bush warned Obama and Hillary about closing Gitmo back in 2008 during their campaigns. Obama had to find out the hard way what an idiot he is.
 
HenryChinaski said:
Patriotism is, fundamentally, a conviction that a particular country is the best in the world because you were born in it. I've family is Sweden that are big Nationalists. Can't have rational conversations with them either.
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Best? No. Yours? Yes.

Just like being dedicated to your family, even though you know they have issues and other families may be doing "better".
 
RickJames3000 said:
That's pretty clearly not what he was doing.

I hope that's not how you refer to disabled individuals.
No one does that anymore.
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No...they just use it as a pejorative now.

Op-Ed: Stop Using 'Retard' As An Insult : NPR

R-word | Spread the Word to End the Word

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I remember having a family friend visiting one time way back when I was around 13 or so. He was mentally disable to a significant degree but not so much that he wasn't aware of things and was basically autonomous, for the most part. I called my older brother retarded and he heard me and talked to me about how that made him feel. I was done with that after that. If a 13 yo can learn that and understand it so can an adult.
 
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NonoBadDog said:
I see a common denominator here. Maybe it isn't them.
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Sure it is. They have that "our dick is bigger" syndrome. Hard to discuss the world with people who have that lack of thinking.
 
Fishking said:
In liberal land it's bad to be patriotic. To be a proper liberal, or just not a totalitarian NK regime, you have to hate your country.
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In conservative land it's "think like me or you are unpatriotic and hate your country."
 
Fletch said:
Psst. This is a political forum and this is a political issue. The reason you seem to be speaking in parables is because a direct examination, by you, of your position would lead you to cast it into the garbage. But you wont do that. You would rather cling to a faulty premise than admit that your premise is faulty. That's just intellectual dishonesty. The truth is you cant name a nation that isn't nationalist. Who is that country that says 'the people of other nations before our own?' Answer: it doesn't exist. Two recent example of putting the people of other nations before our own would be the Vietnam and Iraq wars. Did you support those wars? If not, why not?
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The nature of politics is dirty. Politicians by nature are dirty, some more than others and those who aren't blinded by political ideology and tribal mentality partisanship are clearly able to see that. Tump no more has your best interests in mind than Clinton. Trump is in it for himself and it's comical how his worshippers can't see that. They've been blinded and mesmerized by his speeches of making America great again and personal responsibility. It's all ****ing bull****. The Guy wouldn't piss on you were on fire.
 
HenryChinaski said:
The nature of politics is dirty. Politicians by nature are dirty, some more than others and those who aren't blinded by political ideology and tribal mentality partisanship are clearly able to see that. Tump no more has your best interests in mind than Clinton. Trump is in it for himself and it's comical how his worshippers can't see that. They've been blinded and mesmerized by his speeches of making America great again and personal responsibility. It's all ****ing bull****. The Guy wouldn't piss on you were on fire.
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That might all be true, but the issue is whether or not his particular brand of nationalism is bad or Hitlerian, or just typical of how government operates. Another example would be the 'Buy American' campaign often touted by unions. I don't recall anyone on the left calling out unions for their dangerous nationalism. I suspect that much of the sudden opposition to "America first" is just from liberals who cant stand the idea that Trump is president and will argue against anything he says even if, deep down, they actually agree with it.
 
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