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'Dreamers' likely to be deported

So I think trump could exceed your expectations
 
Groogrux said:
I'm not skeptical of Trump because he's Trump. I'm skeptical of every new admin to actually follow through on the promises they made while campaigning.
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trump seems to following through on what he promised
 
I will never understand this vitriol and hatred for people who were brought here without their knowledge and possibly don't even speak the language of whatever country their parents come from, and may not have even been there at any point within their memory.

What have they done that is so horrible? Why are people talking about them like they killed someone?

It isn't their fault they wound up in this situation. If you need someone to punish, then at least look at the responsible party: whatever adult brought them here.

But I don't get the point of this baseless cruelty. So you want to send a 15-year-old who doesn't speak anything but English to some random port in Mexico? Why? What is wrong with you?

Some kid who doesn't know anything other than America and just wants to live and be left alone doesn't deserve to be treated like a murderer. And beyond that, there's just no reason for this. They haven't committed any crimes (being carted somewhere without your knowledge or consent isn't a crime; if anything, it makes them the victim of a crime, not the perpetrator) and they're not doing anything but living and contributing, just like everyone else.

Some problems are more complex than just black and white. People brought here as children is one such case.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
I will never understand this vitriol and hatred for people who were brought here without their knowledge and possibly don't even speak the language of whatever country their parents come from, and may not have even been there at any point within their memory.

What have they done that is so horrible? Why are people talking about them like they killed someone?

It isn't their fault they wound up in this situation. If you need someone to punish, then at least look at the responsible party: whatever adult brought them here.

But I don't get the point of this baseless cruelty. So you want to send a 15-year-old who doesn't speak anything but English to some random port in Mexico? Why? What is wrong with you?

Some kid who doesn't know anything other than America and just wants to live and be left alone doesn't deserve to be treated like a murderer. And beyond that, there's just no reason for this. They haven't committed any crimes (being carted somewhere without your knowledge or consent isn't a crime; if anything, it makes them the victim of a crime, not the perpetrator) and they're not doing anything but living and contributing, just like everyone else.

Some problems are more complex than just black and white. People brought here as children is one such case.
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I think the whole situation is horrible. Obama created a totally inexcusable situation. He should have upheld the law like he took an oath to. He created the problem. He should be held accountable.

Here is where you justify Obama's policies for proprietorial discretion or make the false claim that Obama deported more illegal aliens than anyone else in the history of the whole world.
 
NonoBadDog said:
I think the whole situation is horrible. Obama created a totally inexcusable situation. He should have upheld the law like he took an oath to. He created the problem. He should be held accountable.

Here is where you justify Obama's policies for proprietorial discretion or make the false claim that Obama deported more illegal aliens than anyone else in the history of the whole world.
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No. Here is where I ask you how the hell NOT deporting children who haven't committed any crimes and who have no ability to survive in a foreign nation is an "inexcusable situation." What, are you implying that we just didn't have any undocumented children before DACA? What planet are you from?

Just because the issue was being swept under the rug doesn't mean it didn't exist. I KNEW children who were deported before DACA -- alone, without even knowing the language of the country they got dropped into, with no ID, without the government even recognizing their citizenship because they didn't have a record of them. I have no idea what happened to them.

My question is why you support punishing children for being the victims of someone else's crime.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
No. Here is where I ask you how the hell NOT deporting children who haven't committed any crimes and who have no ability to survive in a foreign nation is an "inexcusable situation." What, are you implying that we just didn't have any undocumented children before DACA? What planet are you from?

Just because the issue was being swept under the rug doesn't mean it didn't exist. I KNEW children who were deported before DACA -- alone, without even knowing the language of the country they got dropped into, with no ID, without the government even recognizing their citizenship because they didn't have a record of them. I have no idea what happened to them.

My question is why you support punishing children for being the victims of someone else's crime.
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Yep, I was right. "Here is where you justify Obama's policies for proprietorial discretion." Obama created the situation. The Democrats supported the situation and now they are mad when we have to solve the situation. That is one of the big reasons the Democrats have been consistently losing seats over the past ten years. Why does not the Democrats go back to their own party and ask, "What the hell were you thinking?" The majority of American public has always wanted enforcement of the borders. By the way, that "for the children" argument isn't working either. They are suffering because of the actions of an irresponsible immigration policy that circumvented the law.

So far no dreamers that haven't broken the law have been deported.
 
NonoBadDog said:
Yep, I was right. "Here is where you justify Obama's policies for proprietorial discretion." Obama created the situation. The Democrats supported the situation and now they are mad when we have to solve the situation. That is one of the big reasons the Democrats have been consistently losing seats over the past ten years. Why does not the Democrats go back to their own party and ask, "What the hell were you thinking?" The majority of American public has always wanted enforcement of the borders. By the way, that "for the children" argument isn't working either. They are suffering because of the actions of an irresponsible immigration policy that circumvented the law.

So far no dreamers that haven't broken the law have been deported.
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So you think Obama created the problem of undocumented children. That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard in my life.

I'm sorry if the fact that a non-consenting child isn't the one who committed the crime is inconvenient for you, but it's also true. And it would require a total overhaul and reversal of literally every legal guideline we have in order to change that, so if you think it isn't true, you're living in a fantasy world. The fact that we didn't codify it sooner was frankly a massive failure of the justice system.

Maybe the reason you keep hearing that is because it's mind-bogglingly obvious, and impossible to ignore to anyone who isn't being willfully blind.

I am not saying any have been. I was simply commenting on this perplexing level of hatred towards children who have done nothing wrong, and in most cases haven't even done anything illegal.
 
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SmokeAndMirrors said:
I will never understand this vitriol and hatred for people who were brought here without their knowledge and possibly don't even speak the language of whatever country their parents come from, and may not have even been there at any point within their memory.

What have they done that is so horrible? Why are people talking about them like they killed someone?

It isn't their fault they wound up in this situation. If you need someone to punish, then at least look at the responsible party: whatever adult brought them here.

But I don't get the point of this baseless cruelty. So you want to send a 15-year-old who doesn't speak anything but English to some random port in Mexico? Why? What is wrong with you?

Some kid who doesn't know anything other than America and just wants to live and be left alone doesn't deserve to be treated like a murderer. And beyond that, there's just no reason for this. They haven't committed any crimes (being carted somewhere without your knowledge or consent isn't a crime; if anything, it makes them the victim of a crime, not the perpetrator) and they're not doing anything but living and contributing, just like everyone else.

Some problems are more complex than just black and white. People brought here as children is one such case.
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They suck up social benefits that they otherwise shouldn't get access to...and if people tried to pull these stunts in Malaysia, Iran, or even Mexico there wouldn't even be a question of whether or not to depot them. The question would be how can we deport them more quickly.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
I will never understand this vitriol and hatred for people who were brought here without their knowledge and possibly don't even speak the language of whatever country their parents come from,
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its. ot vitriol or hate

we are either a country that respects the laws or we are not

the Dreamers were brought here illegally and we have to put a dtop to such lawlessness
 
apdst said:
Congress granted them amnesty. The President doesn't have the power to naturalize foreign aliens.
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The last couple Presidents sure tried. Ignoring our border laws, Allowing sanctuary areas to exist. Failing to prosecute those picked up by local law enforcement. Releasing criminals back into the US mainstream.

Now we're 16 years into this mess. And guess what. The claim is that some of these people have been here a couple decades. The cleanup is not going to be pretty, But it must be done.
 
jimbo said:
The last couple Presidents sure tried. Ignoring our border laws, Allowing sanctuary areas to exist. Failing to prosecute those picked up by local law enforcement. Releasing criminals back into the US mainstream.

Now we're 16 years into this mess. And guess what. The claim is that some of these people have been here a couple decades. The cleanup is not going to be pretty, But it must be done.
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they have been here for decades thanks to the same liberal policies that are making excuses for them now

we wanted to send them back 20 years ago when they were still children but liberals refused to do it
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
So you think Obama created the problem of undocumented children. That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard in my life.

I'm sorry if the fact that a non-consenting child isn't the one who committed the crime is inconvenient for you, but it's also true. And it would require a total overhaul and reversal of literally every legal guideline we have in order to change that, so if you think it isn't true, you're living in a fantasy world. The fact that we didn't codify it sooner was frankly a massive failure of the justice system.

Maybe the reason you keep hearing that is because it's mind-bogglingly obvious, and impossible to ignore to anyone who isn't being willfully blind.

I am not saying any have been. I was simply commenting on this perplexing level of hatred towards children who have done nothing wrong, and in most cases haven't even done anything illegal.
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I think he created the situation that made it possible. To solve a problem one needs to find the cause of the problem. These children should be livid with their parents and Obama.
 
NonoBadDog said:
I think he created the situation that made it possible. To solve a problem one needs to find the cause of the problem. These children should be livid with their parents and Obama.
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I dont understand why SmokeAndMirrorors is do defensive goward obama

B O is out of office and we are trying to clean up the mess he left behind

starting with illegal aliens
 
NonoBadDog said:
I think he created the situation that made it possible. To solve a problem one needs to find the cause of the problem. These children should be livid with their parents and Obama.
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What are you talking about? Undocumented children have been here for literally centuries.

I'm sure some of them are livid with their parents. But why would they be livid with someone who protected them from being homeless in a country where they don't even speak the language? That's ridiculous.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
What are you talking about? Undocumented children have been here for literally centuries.

I'm sure some of them are livid with their parents. But why would they be livid with someone who protected them from being homeless in a country where they don't even speak the language? That's ridiculous.
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Obama gave the wink wink-nudge nudge that people could come here and never get deported. Obviously Obama thought most American hate this country so much that they didn't care what kind of dregs came in. Fortunately most American love this country and don't hate this land like Obama does.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
What are you talking about? Undocumented children have been here for literally centuries.

I'm sure some of them are livid with their parents. But why would they be livid with someone who protected them from being homeless in a country where they don't even speak the language? That's ridiculous.
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They have not been here for centuries. Your argument is based on pure emotion. You can have an opinion totally based on emotion. That is your right.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
What are you talking about? Undocumented children have been here for literally centuries.

I'm sure some of them are livid with their parents. But why would they be livid with someone who protected them from being homeless in a country where they don't even speak the language? That's ridiculous.
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the Dreamers have not been here for centuries

in most cases maybe 20 years

but 20 years ago we were trying to deport illegals and liberals made excuses for them then

so people like you are the reason Dreamers are in limbo today
 
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