• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Trump team prepares dramatic cuts

Removable Mind said:
When a newly elected president comes out immediately after being sworn in - and drops a drab, dark speech such as the one Trump gave today,
Click to expand...

I liked trumps speech.

He said much the same things he said during the election

which is the reason people voted for him
 
Renae said:
Trump team prepares dramatic cuts | TheHill
Click to expand...

Trump is planning to cut an average of $1 Trillion per year, eh?

Given that non-defense discretionary spending is only $600 Bn, and he has promised to A) increase military spending B) not touch entitlements, and C) have a massive stimulus infrastructure program, I wonder how they plan to use would accomplish that particular bit of unicorn magic.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
They are two related things. The point remains that more revenue if not sufficient to cover spending is not enough.
Click to expand...

Yes, they are related. Trump is already talking about massive cuts. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
 
Mac77 said:
Did you vote for Hillary in the general election?

Because electing her was the only realistic chance to stop trump

You have no more right to complain than any other Tweener or No-Show
Click to expand...

That's exactly how I expected you to respond. How I chose to participate in the election, which I did, was done in a manner that was out of my own interest. Trump supporters think that his being elected was the thing to do, they believed he will act in their interest. I sincerely hope like hell you all are remotely close to being right. You'll have to live with that choice. If it's a bad one, we'll all be a victim of that choice. Trump is unlike any president that this nation has ever encounter.
 
countryboy said:
Yes, they are related. Trump is already talking about massive cuts. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
Click to expand...

Everybody talks about spending cuts, even if only to eliminate "waste and fraud", but it is up to congress critters to actually do so. If the republicants want to keep, much less grow, their congressional majorities then they had best not continue to run large deficits.
 
Mac77 said:
I liked trumps speech.

He said much the same things he said during the election

which is the reason people voted for him
Click to expand...

That's disturbing as hell to listen to a person rant on about all of the things he'll do to dismantle the establishment...mostly in ways he doesn't have the Constitutional power to do.

I know why people are pissed and want to end a self-will-run-riot government from continuing to usurp the power of the people. But there is no way I'll ever believe Trump is the person to take on the task.
 
Removable Mind said:
That's disturbing as hell to listen to a person rant on about all of the things he'll do to dismantle the establishment...mostly in ways he doesn't have the Constitutional power to do.

I know why people are pissed and want to end a self-will-run-riot government from continuing to usurp the power of the people. But there is no way I'll ever believe Trump is the person to take on the task.
Click to expand...

Were you as concerned with Obama's end runs around the Constitution?
 
Removable Mind said:
I had a number of issues with Obama, but if you don't mind can you be more specific.
Click to expand...

I don't have the time or energy at the moment. Long day, and I still have a little office work to do. Remind me tomorrow?
 
Fiddytree said:
I have enormous skin in the DOJ right now.

I'm done.

I have voted majority Republican since I could vote.

With the deal that's being pulled in my state right now matched with this administration's crap attitude toward people with disabilities and civil rights in general, I'm out.

I have so little faith in the extremist direction the Democratic Party is going, but I'll be damned if I will mentally tolerate this any further. I'll continue to read reformicon publications and vote for and work with the small handful of Republicans I immensely enjoy in my state, but I'm done hoping for sensible progress made for my people with the Republican Party.

Sent from my LG-H910 using Tapatalk
Click to expand...

I think we are close in age. I have only seen two republican presidents in life. GWB and Trump.

I feel confused about the direction of both parities. The GOP is being led by a guy who doesn't seem in favor of free trade and won by bashing the GOP establishment. The GOP could go in any direction and if Trump fails, the GOP will be in disarray with two unpopular former presidents. Then the Democratic Party needs to rebuild. Who knows where the system will be in the near future.

I have major concerns about Trump especially with his legal trouble and conflicts of interest. Seeing his supporters excited and hopeful about the inauguration makes me actually feel kind of sad for them.
 
countryboy said:
I don't have the time or energy at the moment. Long day, and I still have a little office work to do. Remind me tomorrow?
Click to expand...

Groovy, no hurry. We're both gonna be around for a bit. I hope so, anyway.
 
Removable Mind said:
That's disturbing as hell to listen to a person rant on about all of the things he'll do to dismantle the establishment...mostly in ways he doesn't have the Constitutional power to do.

I know why people are pissed and want to end a self-will-run-riot government from continuing to usurp the power of the people. But there is no way I'll ever believe Trump is the person to take on the task.
Click to expand...




Washington has not "worked" for at least 25 years

If trump does not have the constitutional power to do something then he wont do it.

But if he does have the authority then you can expect him to use it
 
Mac77 said:
Washington has not "worked" for at least 25 years

If trump does not have the constitutional power to do something then he wont do it.

But if he does have the authority then you can expect him to use it
Click to expand...

Washington has been systematically working for its own benefit for much,much longer than 25 years. If it had been up to Woodrow Wilson he would have made most people laborers, culled out the intellectuals to be doctors and other necessary professionals. His vision for America didn't disappear in the minds of politicians in coming generations. They saw an opportunity to manipulate the classes to suit their needs. Our job is to sustain the lifestyle of the court members in the Kingdom of Washington who in turn do whatever they have to do for those who really run the show.

The Obama who walked into office Jan 20th 2009 wasn't the same guy who pounded us with speech after speech about the need to change the way government did business for the previous 2 years. From the moment he was elected in November 2008 to the time he took office - he was introduced to the realities of what the Kingdom of Washington was all about...and he realized that "Yes We Can" was no longer the goal. It was, "Yes I'll Do Whatever the Powers say."

Trump ain't gonna to be the one to lower the drawbridge to the Kingdom for all of the serfs to partake. He won't have that kind of power. That's delusional thinking. What do you think happened to Obama's rhetoric about changing the way government worked and his "Yes We Can" bull****?
 
Removable Mind said:
Washington has been systematically working for its own benefit for much,much longer than 25 years. If it had been up to Woodrow Wilson he would have made most people laborers, culled out the intellectuals to be doctors and other necessary professionals. His vision for America didn't disappear in the minds of politicians in coming generations. They saw an opportunity to manipulate the classes to suit their needs. Our job is to sustain the lifestyle of the court members in the Kingdom of Washington who in turn do whatever they have to do for those who really run the show.

The Obama who walked into office Jan 20th 2009 wasn't the same guy who pounded us with speech after speech about the need to change the way government did business for the previous 2 years. From the moment he was elected in November 2008 to the time he took office - he was introduced to the realities of what the Kingdom of Washington was all about...and he realized that "Yes We Can" was no longer the goal. It was, "Yes I'll Do Whatever the Powers say."

Trump ain't gonna to be the one to lower the drawbridge to the Kingdom for all of the serfs to partake. He won't have that kind of power.

That's delusional thinking. What do you think happened to Obama's rhetoric about changing the way government worked and his "Yes We Can" bull****?
Click to expand...

You could be right about that

This is in a sense a peasants revolt against the elites and those usually don't turn out well.

But America has always been a special place - something that most of the foreigners posting here will never understand - and maybe we can do what other surf revolts have failed to do.
 
Mac77 said:
That was a black AG working for a black occupier of the Oval Office both of whom are race baiters
Click to expand...
Is that the best you can do?
 
faithful_servant said:
Get rid of the Dept. of Education (that should be the State's job).
Click to expand...

Yep -- agreed. The federal government always appoints people who have never even been a teacher to be secretary of education. It's not like the federal government has made education better --- teachers are leaving in droves because they hate all of the government crap they have to do.
 
SheWolf said:
I think we are close in age. I have only seen two republican presidents in life. GWB and Trump.

I feel confused about the direction of both parities. The GOP is being led by a guy who doesn't seem in favor of free trade and won by bashing the GOP establishment. The GOP could go in any direction and if Trump fails, the GOP will be in disarray with two unpopular former presidents. Then the Democratic Party needs to rebuild. Who knows where the system will be in the near future.

I have major concerns about Trump especially with his legal trouble and conflicts of interest. Seeing his supporters excited and hopeful about the inauguration makes me actually feel kind of sad for them.
Click to expand...

I was conscious of the H.W. Presidency, but yeah, probably around the same age.
 
Josie said:
Yep -- agreed. The federal government always appoints people who have never even been a teacher to be secretary of education. It's not like the federal government has made education better --- teachers are leaving in droves because they hate all of the government crap they have to do.
Click to expand...

Why do you think that would be any different if the states were in control? You'd still have people with no educational background making the rules and the teachers being forced to follow them.
 
Josie said:
Yep -- agreed. The federal government always appoints people who have never even been a teacher to be secretary of education. It's not like the federal government has made education better --- teachers are leaving in droves because they hate all of the government crap they have to do.
Click to expand...
But that's not always true. I always saw people say that when in fact a number of the Secretaries *were* teachers and administrators. It just became a reflex to say they weren't, as if many teachers expected they'd just nominate a regular teacher from a district and say "here, have at it."

Sent from my LG-H910 using Tapatalk
 
Cephus said:
Why do you think that would be any different if the states were in control? You'd still have people with no educational background making the rules and the teachers being forced to follow them.
Click to expand...
It wouldn't and in some circumstances, a different background is not injurious. It could even be a benefit, if balanced out. Further, the "paper work" and "government things" that districts are required to do is *incredibly* important. It's largely that we haven't given schools enough support to accomplish the task efficiently or effectively. A majority of teachers who have enormous paperwork burdens have no funding set aside by the district to hire an assistant who could offload a lot of that maintenance.

Sent from my LG-H910 using Tapatalk
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom