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Will WikiLeaks' Julian Assange make good on his offer to turn himself in after Manning clemency? | Fox News

Last week, WikiLeaks posted on Twitter that if President Obama granted Chelsea Manning clemency, its founder, Julian Assange would agree to be extradited to the U.S.
The White House announced on Tuesday that Obama commuted the vast majority of the former Army intelligence analyst’s 35-year prison sentence for leaking classified documents.
As of Tuesday night, there has been no word on the earlier tweet. WikiLeaks, however, tweeted, “VICTORY: Obama commutes Chelsea Manning sentence from 35 years to 7. Release date now May 17.”
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So is this a chess move by Obama?
 
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MaggieD said:
Since he had nothing but a promise by a man he thinks is garbage, what kind of chess move would that BE? Or does he look at it the same way he looked at his Iran bribe money?
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I don't know, just wondering if he's trying to cokes Assange into keeping his promise.
 
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American said:
I don't know, just wondering if he's trying to cokes Assange into keeping his promise.
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I would appreciate someone doing this for me...it's coax. Although putting coke and Assange in the same sentence may be Freudian. ;)
 
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MaggieD said:
I would appreciate someone doing this for me...it's coax. Although putting coke and Assange in the same sentence may be Freudian. ;)
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Haha, sorry for the misspelling. I wasn't sure and too lazy to look up.
 
Re: Will WikiLeaks' Julian Assange make good on his offer to turn himself in after Ma

I think Obama would have made the same decision with or without Assange's promise.

Assange's probably feels he is in Trump's good graces thanks to the Wikileaks targeting of the Democrats. And I am sure being stuck in that embassy sucks. I think he just felt if he was ever going to get out of there this would be the best time and he could look a little magnanimous in doing so.

Whether or not he will get cold feet remains to be seen.
 
Re: Will WikiLeaks' Julian Assange make good on his offer to turn himself in after Ma

Of course not. The US has expressed no desire to extradite Assange from anywhere (and had plenty of opportunity to request in over the years).

If Assange leaves the embassy, he’ll be arrested by British police who will follow through with the outstanding extraction ruling to Sweden. Even if he somehow got to the US, Sweden would apply for extradition from the US courts and I don’t see any judge turning that down (and as an established flight risk, he’d probably not get bail while the case proceeded).

I do think that Assange has been mentally broken by the situation he put himself in to and while there are still people willing to use/abuse him for their own benefit he is sadly in no position to get the help and support he clearly needs. I’m truly starting to feel sorry for the man, which is quite a shift on my part.
 
Re: Will WikiLeaks' Julian Assange make good on his offer to turn himself in after Ma

Why should he? Better would be if Sweden dropped the charges or let them expire.

Maybe Assange should start publishing what Sweden is hiding about immigration chaos.
 
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joG said:
Is Assange even wanted in the US? He didn't really break US law to my knowledge. It is Sweden that wants him to assist the police in the investigation of a couple of rapes.
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The article says he's concerned about extradition to the US, not Sweden.
 
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American said:
The article says he's concerned about extradition to the US, not Sweden.
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That is the story that has saved him from facing Swedish inquiries into his naughty behavior with the girls. And maybe the Swedes would extradite him. The only thing is that the US hasn't yet shown any interest in him. After all, what is he supposed to have done?
 
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American said:
The article says he's concerned about extradition to the US, not Sweden.
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That’s what he’s long claimed but not with any real justification. As I said, the US had plenty of opportunity to request his extradition from various friendly nations but didn’t. It also seems questionable how concerned he is if he really promised to go freely to the US if Manning was released. Unless he (or the WikiLeaks PR team) was lying about that promise of course.

Sweden did request extradition from the UK and was successful. It’s that extradition that Assange fled from, is why he has secluded himself in the embassy and is what I suspect all his attention grabbing announcements are to distract from.
 
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American said:
The article says he's concerned about extradition to the US, not Sweden.
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He also says the US government wants to kill him. His track record is not stellar. He is hiding out in an embassy due to being wanted in Sweden, not the US. He just likes to blame the US.
 
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HonestJoe said:
Of course not. The US has expressed no desire to extradite Assange from anywhere (and had plenty of opportunity to request in over the years).

If Assange leaves the embassy, he’ll be arrested by British police who will follow through with the outstanding extraction ruling to Sweden. Even if he somehow got to the US, Sweden would apply for extradition from the US courts and I don’t see any judge turning that down (and as an established flight risk, he’d probably not get bail while the case proceeded).

I do think that Assange has been mentally broken by the situation he put himself in to and while there are still people willing to use/abuse him for their own benefit he is sadly in no position to get the help and support he clearly needs. I’m truly starting to feel sorry for the man, which is quite a shift on my part.
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That's what happens when people try to do the right thing in an Obama administration. Chelsea Manning tried to kill himself/herself several times. Julian Assange is broken. Obama has prosecuted more whistleblowers than any president in history while expanded warrantless wiretapping to unimaginable levels.
 
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reinoe said:
Julian Assange has more integrity than every member of Congress, everyone in Obama's executive branch, and the Entire CIA combined.

Regardless of what you think about Assange, he's a man of his word.
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My question was mostly about Obama, but okay.
 
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American said:
Will WikiLeaks' Julian Assange make good on his offer to turn himself in after Manning clemency? | Fox News


So is this a chess move by Obama?
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Bwahaha

After jumping bail to avoid extradition, Assange has zero credibility in such things.

He's not going anywhere, unless Sweden drops its investigation. And if that happens, he's either heading for Russia or Ecuador.

I'm pretty sure Obama shortened Manning's sentence because it was so long, and because he was very poorly treated for most of it. I'm not thrilled by it, but I'm confident it has nothing to do with Assange.
 
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American said:
The article says he's concerned about extradition to the US, not Sweden.
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That's largely a prison of his own making.

He's obsessed with the idea that the US wants to nail him, and he knows that whips up his followers. While it may be true, the idea that the fastest way for the US to get him extradited from the UK is to have him extradited to Sweden on rape charges is beyond insane. The UK has been highly receptive to US extradition requests; Sweden is no different in its handling or standards of extradition than the UK; and the only way you can possibly make an extradition case take longer is to add another extradition, and then send someone to jail for a few years first.
 
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reinoe said:
Julian Assange has more integrity than every member of Congress, everyone in Obama's executive branch, and the Entire CIA combined.

Regardless of what you think about Assange, he's a man of his word.
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You do not believe in basing your opinions on facts, do you? There is zero evidence to support your claim, and some to suggest, strongly, that it is not true. This is some one who claims the US government is trying to kill him...
 
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Visbek said:
That's largely a prison of his own making.

He's obsessed with the idea that the US wants to nail him, and he knows that whips up his followers. While it may be true, the idea that the fastest way for the US to get him extradited from the UK is to have him extradited to Sweden on rape charges is beyond insane. The UK has been highly receptive to US extradition requests; Sweden is no different in its handling or standards of extradition than the UK; and the only way you can possibly make an extradition case take longer is to add another extradition, and then send someone to jail for a few years first.
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You can't extradite anyone from an embassy.
 
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Redress said:
You do not believe in basing your opinions on facts, do you? There is zero evidence to support your claim, and some to suggest, strongly, that it is not true. This is some one who claims the US government is trying to kill him...
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So you have evidence that Assange is not a man of his word?
 
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Assange is referring to his extradition request to Sweden...
 
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American said:
You can't extradite anyone from an embassy.
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What the....?

Sweden started an investigation of rape charges. Assange left Sweden for the UK. The UK detained him, held an extradition hearing. Assange lost, and appealed all the way to the UK's supreme court, and he lost every appeal. As he was about to be sent to Sweden, he cut his ankle monitor, and fled to the Ecuadorian Embassy.

Ecuador has the legal right to kick him out of their embassy at any moment. If they did, the British government has the right to grab him immediately, put him in cuffs, put him on a plane, and deliver him to the custody of Swedish law enforcement. No additional hearings are required. Ecuador doesn't have to hold any hearings, they don't have to extradite him, they can just boot him if they want. E.g. if Correa loses the next election, Assange could get evicted.

Because the Ecuadorian embassy is technically considered Ecuadorian territory, Sweden has the legal right to request extradition. However, Correa has made it very clear he won't honor any such request, so Sweden hasn't bothered.

In theory, the UK could forcibly enter the embassy and seize someone -- e.g. if Assange fired a gun out the window and killed a few passersby, the UK government would likely withdraw diplomatic courtesy. Obviously, the UK has not opted to do so in this case.

I.e. running to an embassy is not a "get out of jail free" card. Most people would have gotten the boot. Assange did not, purely because Correa is playing politics.

Everything I've typed here is consistent with my previous comments. So, not really sure why you object.
 
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reinoe said:
So you have evidence that Assange is not a man of his word?
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What evidence have you offered that he is? You made the claim with no evidence, and I actually did offer one fact to back up what I said.
 
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Visbek said:
What the....?

Sweden started an investigation of rape charges. Assange left Sweden for the UK. The UK detained him, held an extradition hearing. Assange lost, and appealed all the way to the UK's supreme court, and he lost every appeal. As he was about to be sent to Sweden, he cut his ankle monitor, and fled to the Ecuadorian Embassy.

Ecuador has the legal right to kick him out of their embassy at any moment. If they did, the British government has the right to grab him immediately, put him in cuffs, put him on a plane, and deliver him to the custody of Swedish law enforcement. No additional hearings are required. Ecuador doesn't have to hold any hearings, they don't have to extradite him, they can just boot him if they want. E.g. if Correa loses the next election, Assange could get evicted.

Because the Ecuadorian embassy is technically considered Ecuadorian territory, Sweden has the legal right to request extradition. However, Correa has made it very clear he won't honor any such request, so Sweden hasn't bothered.

In theory, the UK could forcibly enter the embassy and seize someone -- e.g. if Assange fired a gun out the window and killed a few passersby, the UK government would likely withdraw diplomatic courtesy. Obviously, the UK has not opted to do so in this case.

I.e. running to an embassy is not a "get out of jail free" card. Most people would have gotten the boot. Assange did not, purely because Correa is playing politics.

Everything I've typed here is consistent with my previous comments. So, not really sure why you object.
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I don't know about all that, but the Ecuadorian embassy belongs to Ecuador; same for every other country. And requesting does not mean obtaining.
 
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