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Will WikiLeaks' Julian Assange make good on his offer to turn himself in after Mannin

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That's what happens when people try to do the right thing in an Obama administration.
Assange's current predicament is entirely of his own making and has absolutely nothing to do with the Obama administration. You can certainly question their approach towards Manning but bringing Assange in to that (including by himself) is just dishonest.
 
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Assange's current predicament is entirely of his own making and has absolutely nothing to do with the Obama administration. You can certainly question their approach towards Manning but bringing Assange in to that (including by himself) is just dishonest.

Ask Snowden what happens when a person tries to do the right thing. You saw what happened to Chelsea Manning. Crimes have been revealed, the likes of which have never been seen before under Obama. Anyone who tries to do the right thing and reveal the criminal behavior of our government gets their life destroyed. Obama should pardon everyone who has leaked information but obviously he won't. Obama hates America and that's why he's worked to destroy our freedoms and prosecute whistleblowers.
 
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That is the story that has saved him from facing Swedish inquiries into his naughty behavior with the girls. And maybe the Swedes would extradite him. The only thing is that the US hasn't yet shown any interest in him. After all, what is he supposed to have done?

The us military has assange listed as enemy of the state, he is currently viewed by our govt as being in the same league as osama bin laden, edward snowden, etc. Most likely if he showed up here he would be charged with something, probably much worse than sweden would have since their rape laws are a joke and their prisons are nicer than his embassy.
 
Re: Will WikiLeaks' Julian Assange make good on his offer to turn himself in after Ma

The us military has assange listed as enemy of the state, he is currently viewed by our govt as being in the same league as osama bin laden, edward snowden, etc. Most likely if he showed up here he would be charged with something, probably much worse than sweden would have since their rape laws are a joke and their prisons are nicer than his embassy.

Semi/sorta. He is listed as an enemy of the state for a purpose, which is to up the penalty for any us service member who contacts him. It is meant as a deterrent.
 
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Of course not. The US has expressed no desire to extradite Assange from anywhere (and had plenty of opportunity to request in over the years).

If Assange leaves the embassy, he’ll be arrested by British police who will follow through with the outstanding extraction ruling to Sweden. Even if he somehow got to the US, Sweden would apply for extradition from the US courts and I don’t see any judge turning that down (and as an established flight risk, he’d probably not get bail while the case proceeded).

I do think that Assange has been mentally broken by the situation he put himself in to and while there are still people willing to use/abuse him for their own benefit he is sadly in no position to get the help and support he clearly needs. I’m truly starting to feel sorry for the man, which is quite a shift on my part.

The first post to state the obvious. There are no moves to extradite Assange so why would he leave the embassy? It was an empty promise that he doesn't have to break.
 
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Semi/sorta. He is listed as an enemy of the state for a purpose, which is to up the penalty for any us service member who contacts him. It is meant as a deterrent.

I am aware of that, but even so being listed as such still puts him in alot of hot water, even if it was intended as a detterent for soldiers talking too wikileaks.

There are those who would want assange dead, and others in our govt who want to protect him, it just depends on who is benefitting from his leaks and who is not.
 
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I am aware of that, but even so being listed as such still puts him in alot of hot water, even if it was intended as a detterent for soldiers talking too wikileaks.

There are those who would want assange dead, and others in our govt who want to protect him, it just depends on who is benefitting from his leaks and who is not.

As I understand it, just being on the list does not make you charged with a crime. Until he is charged with a crime, there are limits to what we can do legally.
 
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Ask Snowden what happens when a person tries to do the right thing. You saw what happened to Chelsea Manning. Crimes have been revealed, the likes of which have never been seen before under Obama. Anyone who tries to do the right thing and reveal the criminal behavior of our government gets their life destroyed. Obama should pardon everyone who has leaked information but obviously he won't. Obama hates America and that's why he's worked to destroy our freedoms and prosecute whistleblowers.

It is not that simple, even though assange posts whistleblowers leaks, some of the leaks he publishes are damaging to security and the lives of those that run it. Not every leak is innocent, some expose information our enemies can use.
 
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As I understand it, just being on the list does not make you charged with a crime. Until he is charged with a crime, there are limits to what we can do legally.

That is actually where I question things, as some get sent to guantamo without being charged and many never get any trial even a military tribunal. It would make me wonder if it became a legal issue, or handled by military as an enemy aiding another enemy.

But here is the thing, sweden has dropeed most charges with the most serious still remaining until 2020, but britain has spent 14 million on nonstop surveilance to catch him if he leave, I can not think of any govt who wants to spend that much just to extradite a guy to sweden for a rape charge.
 
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I don't really care what he does.
 
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Ask Snowden what happens when a person tries to do the right thing. You saw what happened to Chelsea Manning. Crimes have been revealed, the likes of which have never been seen before under Obama. Anyone who tries to do the right thing and reveal the criminal behavior of our government gets their life destroyed. Obama should pardon everyone who has leaked information but obviously he won't. Obama hates America and that's why he's worked to destroy our freedoms and prosecute whistleblowers.
All perfectly reasonable debate points. Again, they have absolutely nothing to do with Assange’s current predicament and trying to link his situation with those issues is simply dishonest.
 
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The us military has assange listed as enemy of the state, he is currently viewed by our govt as being in the same league as osama bin laden, edward snowden, etc. Most likely if he showed up here he would be charged with something, probably much worse than sweden would have since their rape laws are a joke and their prisons are nicer than his embassy.

I see yoir logic, but disagree.
 
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