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Obama Commutes Bulk of Chelsea Manning’s Sentence

upsideguy said:
I understand. But the problem is you simply want him back in jail, which is, in essence a disrespect of the Constitution on two parts: double jeopardy (as your objective is to have him back in jail on some charge you can not name and my "new evidence" that may not exist) and the Presidential right to pardon whoever he damn well pleases.
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You are correct that the POTUS can pardon (or commute the sentence of) whomever he pleases. IMHO this one is no more justified than Clinton's smelly last-day pardon of Marc Rich.
 
Mason66 said:
Either did Hillary as far as we know.
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And the wheels of justice keep turning so she's not out of the woods yet

Hopefully trump will not pardon her
 
Mac77 said:
And the wheels of justice keep turning so she's not out of the woods yet

Hopefully trump will not pardon her
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Trump would have no reason to pardon her.

If something comes up to prosecute her for, I am sure they will go ahead with it, as it should be.
 
Mason66 said:
Trump would have no reason to pardon her.

If something comes up to prosecute her for, I am sure they will go ahead with it, as it should be.
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I think the bi partisan pressure to pardon a former first lady and spare the nation that trauma will be enormous for trump

Hillary. can thank her lucky stars it's not me making that decision
 
upsideguy said:
I understand. But the problem is you simply want him back in jail, which is, in essence a disrespect of the Constitution on two parts: double jeopardy (as your objective is to have him back in jail on some charge you can not name and my "new evidence" that may not exist) and the Presidential right to pardon whoever he damn well pleases.

While one man's experience (Jonathan Pollard) is not necessarily the argument that all men should experience the same (argument could be made the Pollard's sentence was too long or should have been commuted), the case of Manning is a little different. He was likely commuted as a matter of grace because being a transsexual in a military prison was probably a danger to his well-being. just speculating here.
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But it's ok to disrespect the constitution as far as the electoral voting system goes or the fact that Trump is the legitimate president?
 
Mac77 said:
I think the bi partisan pressure to pardon a former first lady and spare the nation that trauma will be enormous for trump

Hillary. can thank her lucky stars it's not me making that decision
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No reason to pardon her if they have no intention of prosecuting her for anything. She has already been tarred and feathered. That's way better than prosecuting her. The Clinton's political power is running on fumes. The only chance they have left is in Chelsea.
 
upsideguy said:
I understand. But the problem is you simply want him back in jail, which is, in essence a disrespect of the Constitution on two parts: double jeopardy (as your objective is to have him back in jail on some charge you can not name and my "new evidence" that may not exist) and the Presidential right to pardon whoever he damn well pleases.

While one man's experience (Jonathan Pollard) is not necessarily the argument that all men should experience the same (argument could be made the Pollard's sentence was too long or should have been commuted), the case of Manning is a little different. He was likely commuted as a matter of grace because being a transsexual in a military prison was probably a danger to his well-being. just speculating here.
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I certainly don't agree that Pollard should have served a day less than he did. (George Tenet famously threatened to resign if Pollard's sentence were curtailed.) Full sentences deliver necessary deterrence.
 
Moderate Right said:
No reason to pardon her if they have no intention of prosecuting her for anything. She has already been tarred and feathered. That's way better than prosecuting her. The Clinton's political power is running on fumes. The only chance they have left is in Chelsea.
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I'm thinking of the precedent it sets for lessor beings that handle classified material

If they let Hillary and her henchmen off with no punishment it lowers the bar for everyone
 
Mason66 said:
Trump would have no reason to pardon her.

If something comes up to prosecute her for, I am sure they will go ahead with it, as it should be.
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In any case, I sincerely hope that the cloud of a possible prosecution hangs over Hillary Von Pantsuit's head indefinitely. Perhaps it will keep her from risking another run for office.
 
Moderate Right said:
Bergdahl did not turn himself into a woman.
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Bergdahl also did not deliver what Obama had stupidly hoped for. Obama dreamed of a public relations success where rank and file Americans would see it as a craftily arranged hostage release and they would barely think about the 5 extremely murderous Taliban terrorists he released from Gitmo. However that dog and pony show he put on at the white house with Bergdahl's idiot parents backfired on him. Rank and file Americans easily worked out that he put 5 terrorists back in action just to gain the release of a deserter.
 
Jack Hays said:
You are correct that the POTUS can pardon (or commute the sentence of) whomever he pleases. IMHO this one is no more justified than Clinton's smelly last-day pardon of Marc Rich.
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Not to mention his unrequested pardon of 16 FALN terrorists just to assist his wifey "Hillary Von Pantsuit" in her Senate campaign in New York.
 
Mac77 said:
I'm thinking of the precedent it sets for lessor beings that handle classified material

If they let Hillary and her henchmen off with no punishment it lowers the bar for everyone
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I guess it's just a matter of personal perspective, but the bar has been pretty damn low in this country for a long time. The bar for the rule of law and what it really means. Do we have the rule of law, or don't we?
 
Jack Hays said:
You are correct that the POTUS can pardon (or commute the sentence of) whomever he pleases. IMHO this one is no more justified than Clinton's smelly last-day pardon of Marc Rich.
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That is fair. I don't be grudge you your outrage, even if I don't agree with you. I only quibble with your proposed solution. In the grand scheme of things, it isn't terribly relevant. I think you have to find some solace in the fact that it was, in your view, one last bad decision by Obama.... but, hey, you are done with him.
 
Moderate Right said:
But it's ok to disrespect the constitution as far as the electoral voting system goes or the fact that Trump is the legitimate president?
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come again?

So I am clear. I do respect the electoral college system. I actually love it. I think the electors should have been more discerning, but they weren't. We could probably do away with having ceremonial electors and just award the state votes.

I do think the election was on the up and up, but I do believe Moscow (via wikileak releases) and Comey kicked the field goal (which Hillary, by running a bad campaign, left in it in field goal range) that allowed Trump to win. I do think Trump is woefully unqualified candidate that should not be anywhere near the button, and I believe that we have too many uneducated people in this country. But, Trump is the legitimate winner.



I will do whatever I can in my limited power to make sure this mistake is not made again.

I hope that is clear.
 
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